Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

[TSwizzle]

That’s the most important part about democracy. I have to defend annd respect the outcomes even if I don’t like it.

There’s nothing democratic about what Newsom is doing. He’s every bit as bad as Trump in this regard.

It’s people like you who seems to only like democracy when it’s in your favor.

Male bovine excrement.

All I am saying is that unless Newsom broke some law by introducing the proposition then it is part of our democratic process and then we get to vote on it like we should in a democracy. What’s not to get about that??

If you believe that undoing what we already voted on by these underhanded means is democracy, then hell mend you. I expect you will vote yes on prop 50. At least Politesse knows this is not right.

 

[ZiprHead]

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[Shadowy Man]

That’s the most important part about democracy. I have to defend annd respect the outcomes even if I don’t like it.

There’s nothing democratic about what Newsom is doing. He’s every bit as bad as Trump in this regard.

You can point to the undemocratic action then? What law has he broken?

It’s people like you who seems to only like democracy when it’s in your favor.

Male bovine excrement.

All I am saying is that unless Newsom broke some law by introducing the proposition then it is part of our democratic process and then we get to vote on it like we should in a democracy. What’s not to get about that??

If you believe that undoing what we already voted on by these underhanded means is democracy, then hell mend you. I expect you will vote yes on prop 50. At least Politesse knows this is not right.

Please identify how it is “underhanded”. Has he broken a law? Taken an action not allowed to him as Governor? If it is obvious you should be able to point to it, no?

You can “expect” anything you want, to me you are just some rando on the internet who doesn’t understand climate science and prefers authoritarianism over democracy. I already expressed my opinion, you just prefer to assume.

 

[bilby]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

You know what the difference is between Trump and Newsom? We the voters are all going to vote on this measure in November.

We already voted to have an independent commission draw the lines.

Then you can vote down this planned change, and continue with the independent commission.

Unless the voters have changed their minds.

Voting should always be repeated fairly regularly, to detect and respond to changes in public opinion.

Of course, if you don't like that, you can always lobby for Newsom to remain governor for the rest of his life. The people already voted him in as governor, so it would be absurd to hold another gubernatorial election - according to your arguments here.

 

[TSwizzle]

That’s the most important part about democracy. I have to defend annd respect the outcomes even if I don’t like it.

There’s nothing democratic about what Newsom is doing. He’s every bit as bad as Trump in this regard.

You can point to the undemocratic action then? What law has he broken?

Prop 50 came about because Newsom wants to do some grandstanding as a response to whatever Texas is doing. California already voted on how districts were drawn and now Newsom doesn’t like that and wants to undo it because he’s an authoritarian asshole. Sure no laws have been broken but for ffs, this is an abuse of power. Hopefully it gets voted out.

It’s people like you who seems to only like democracy when it’s in your favor.

Male bovine excrement.

All I am saying is that unless Newsom broke some law by introducing the proposition then it is part of our democratic process and then we get to vote on it like we should in a democracy. What’s not to get about that??

If you believe that undoing what we already voted on by these underhanded means is democracy, then hell mend you. I expect you will vote yes on prop 50. At least Politesse knows this is not right.

Please identify how it is “underhanded”. Has he broken a law? Taken an action not allowed to him as Governor? If it is obvious you should be able to point to it, no?

ffs, I never said Newsom broke any laws.

You can “expect” anything you want, to me you are just some rando on the internet who doesn’t understand climate science and prefers authoritarianism over democracy.

Behave yourself.

I already expressed my opinion, you just prefer to assume.

As Charlie Kirk used to say, prove me wrong.

 

[bilby]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

You know what the difference is between Trump and Newsom? We the voters are all going to vote on this measure in November.

We already voted to have an independent commission draw the lines.

I agree actually, and I'm that's why voting against this measure. You see how that works? In a democracy?

I see is an authoritarian trying to rig elections.

You should see some of his ALL CAPS tweets. They look like the ravings of a madman.

A very specific madman.

It's amazing how oblivious some people are when a mirror is held up to their cult leader.

 

[Shadowy Man]

That’s the most important part about democracy. I have to defend annd respect the outcomes even if I don’t like it.

There’s nothing democratic about what Newsom is doing. He’s every bit as bad as Trump in this regard.

You can point to the undemocratic action then? What law has he broken?

Prop 50 came about because Newsom wants to do some grandstanding as a response to whatever Texas is doing. California already voted on how districts were drawn and now Newsom doesn’t like that and wants to undo it because he’s an authoritarian asshole. Sure no laws have been broken but for ffs, this is an abuse of power. Hopefully it gets voted out.

It’s people like you who seems to only like democracy when it’s in your favor.

Male bovine excrement.

All I am saying is that unless Newsom broke some law by introducing the proposition then it is part of our democratic process and then we get to vote on it like we should in a democracy. What’s not to get about that??

If you believe that undoing what we already voted on by these underhanded means is democracy, then hell mend you. I expect you will vote yes on prop 50. At least Politesse knows this is not right.

Please identify how it is “underhanded”. Has he broken a law? Taken an action not allowed to him as Governor? If it is obvious you should be able to point to it, no?

ffs, I never said Newsom broke any laws.

How do you define “abuse of power” in this instance then? If what he did was within the legal confines of his position what exactly did he abuse?

You can “expect” anything you want, to me you are just some rando on the internet who doesn’t understand climate science and prefers authoritarianism over democracy.

Behave yourself.

Sure, Jan.

I already expressed my opinion, you just prefer to assume.

As Charlie Kirk used to say, prove me wrong.

Sorry, that’s not how burden of proof works. And if you care about what Charlie Kirk says, then that may be saying something about you that you might not like.

 

[TSwizzle]

How do you define “abuse of power” in this instance then? If what he did was within the legal confines of his position what exactly did he abuse?

ffs, I’m not going to dumb it down for you. You know why Newsom is doing this.

Sorry, that’s not how burden of proof works. And if you care about what Charlie Kirk says, then that may be saying something about you that you might not like.

Thought not.

 

[TSwizzle]

How do you define “abuse of power” in this instance then? If what he did was within the legal confines of his position what exactly did he abuse?

ffs, I’m not going to dumb it down for you. You know why Newsom is doing this.

The issue isn’t the “why” it’s the “how” that matters here. You seem to agree that his actions are not inconsistent with his powers as governor you just don’t like it. If the rest of the people don’t like it we can vote against it.

It’s an abuse of power and you are fine with it because it’s a democrat doing it.

Sorry, that’s not how burden of proof works. And if you care about what Charlie Kirk says, then that may be saying something about you that you might not like.

Thought not.

Not thinking seems about right. I already said my opinion did you not see it?? Only seeing what you want?

Your opinion is actually not important to me so whatever it was I have already forgotten.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

You're like a fat little bully kid who pushes around the little kids in P.E. Then one day one of the kids gets fed up and punches you in the mouth. You cry and wonder why anyone would want to hurt you.

 

[TSwizzle]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

You're like a fat little bully kid who pushes around the little kids in P.E. Then one day one of the kids gets fed up and punches you in the mouth. You cry and wonder why anyone would want to hurt you.

I’m not fat and I’m not a bully. You sound like a weakling that gets bullied and goes on Internet forums to sound tough.

 

[Shadowy Man]

How do you define “abuse of power” in this instance then? If what he did was within the legal confines of his position what exactly did he abuse?

ffs, I’m not going to dumb it down for you. You know why Newsom is doing this.

The issue isn’t the “why” it’s the “how” that matters here. You seem to agree that his actions are not inconsistent with his powers as governor you just don’t like it. If the rest of the people don’t like it we can vote against it.

It’s an abuse of power and you are fine with it because it’s a democrat doing it.

you keep claiming it’s an abuse of power without explaining your reasoning. And you keep assuming the thoughts of others. I have already stated I am against it. But as you state below you don’t care what I say and that it is up to me to prove that your opinion of my thought is not true regardless of what i say.

You said you were fine with other abuses of power, like Trump sending troops to police on US soil. So spare me if I don’t consider you an authority on what constitutes abuse of power.

Sorry, that’s not how burden of proof works. And if you care about what Charlie Kirk says, then that may be saying something about you that you might not like.

Thought not.

Not thinking seems about right. I already said my opinion did you not see it?? Only seeing what you want?

Your opinion is actually not important to me so whatever it was I have already forgotten.

This is how I know you are not a good faith interlocutor, just like in other threads.

 

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[ZiprHead]

Accoding to this guy, we're fucked.

 

[TSwizzle]

you keep claiming it’s an abuse of power without explaining your reasoning.

It’s an abuse of power because we have already voted to have an independent commission to make the decision, the electorate hasn’t asked for this and this has been initiated by Newsom as a response to whatever Texas is doing. I’ve explained this numerous times already. You disagree, fine but stop pretending like I haven’t explained why. Enough already, I’m done explaining it.

And you keep assuming the thoughts of others. I have already stated I am against it.

Apologies , I didn’t pick up on that because you appear to be defending it.

But as you state below you don’t care what I say and that it is up to me to prove that your opinion of my thought is not true regardless of what i say.

I pay little attention to what you say because most of your posts are glib one liners.

You said you were fine with other abuses of power, like Trump sending troops to police on US soil. So spare me if I don’t consider you an authority on what constitutes abuse of power.

This is an abuse of power but I was fine with it at the time because I live here and I’m sick of the disruption to my daily commute when assholes go on the rampage. If the Marxist mayor was to do her job properly it wouldn’t be a thing.

 

[unapologetic]

I am not willing to give up democracy to defend democracy

Give it up? You won't need to. It is being taken from us.

Oh I think you already know.

You are gaslighting me. Playing on my poor memory. Trying to make me think I forgot. So tell me 'again'.

There’s nothing democratic about what Newsom is doing. He’s every bit as bad as Trump in this regard.

But you like Rump.

this is an abuse of power.

because he’s an authoritarian asshole.

But you suport authoritan assholes who abuse power. Why not Newsom?

I’m not fat and I’m not a bully.

But you are just a kid, who has no experience with the real world outside your own small town.

You said you were fine with other abuses of power, like Trump sending troops to police on US soil. So spare me if I don’t consider you an authority on what constitutes abuse of power.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

and I'm that's why voting against this measure.

But the commission won't do their thing till after the census in 2030. We need the change before the 2028 midterms.
Please consider fighting back against the Undemocratic Party redistrecting of Texas.

I considered my position for months before deciding what to do. But what the governor is asking for is morally and strategically wrong, and the long term reprecussions of making both parties dependent on retributive redistricting as a critical political strategy will be a disaster. Newsom is trying to portray this as a one-time, emergency measure. But once the commission is disbanded, I am certain it will stay that way. If both parties hold seats that they would immediately lose if a fair districting scheme were ever adopted, no fair districting process will ever again be adopted. Unfortunately, this measure seems very likely to pass with or without my vote.

We should fight back against redistricting in Texas. But that's not what this ballot measure will do. It is supposed to counter-balance Texas, which is not the same thing as opposing Texas. Any more thsn shooting a shooter is fighting gun crime. Texas isn't going to watch the news and be like "oh no California is doing it too, we'd better stop doing it right away so they are the ones with an unfair advantage and not us!" What is needed is a legal challenge to what they've done. And if the third most strongly Democratic state in the nation is doing the exact same thing, the odds of such a case ever seeing a judge diminish greatly.

What California should do is both.

Proceed with the independent redistricting and implement the gerrymandered districting now, with a proviso that it automatically switches to what the independent commission comes up with when Texas implements fair districting. Don't make it something to change in the future, make it something that automatically will change.

 

[Shadowy Man]

you keep claiming it’s an abuse of power without explaining your reasoning.

It’s an abuse of power because we have already voted to have an independent commission to make the decision, the electorate hasn’t asked for this and this has been initiated by Newsom as a response to whatever Texas is doing. I’ve explained this numerous times already. You disagree, fine but stop pretending like I haven’t explained why. Enough already, I’m done explaining it.

And you keep assuming the thoughts of others. I have already stated I am against it.

Apologies , I didn’t pick up on that because you appear to be defending it.

I prefer the independent commission for democracy’s sake but it is not clear to me that the act of putting it up for a vote is itself an “abuse of power”, at least as long as he followed legal protocols and utilized powers vested In Him as governor.

But as you state below you don’t care what I say and that it is up to me to prove that your opinion of my thought is not true regardless of what i say.

I pay little attention to what you say because most of your posts are glib one liners.

That’s fair. But the fact you know that means you do pay a little attention. Hehe…

You said you were fine with other abuses of power, like Trump sending troops to police on US soil. So spare me if I don’t consider you an authority on what constitutes abuse of power.

This is an abuse of power but I was fine with it at the time because I live here and I’m sick of the disruption to my daily commute when assholes go on the rampage. If the Marxist mayor was to do her job properly it wouldn’t be a thing.

So the issue for you then isn’t really about abuse of power because you’re ok with abuses when they’re convenient for you personally.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

what happens in any other state is not my concern. My concern is with what happens in California.

Seriously, Are you so self-centered that you can't see that we are all in this mud slide to dicktatership together?
Rump sent troups into LA just to show power. That should concern you more than me.
We all, even you, are loosing our democracy and freedoms anyway. So why shouldn't Newsom bend rules to get it back.
Or are you just a conerarian, saying shit just to piss us off.

Some odd spelling in this but I can just about make it out.

Erm, no we are not in a mud slide to “dicktatership” (is this spelling intentional? “Dick-tatorship”?)

We need more troups/troops in Los Angeles because the Marxist mayor won’t hold up the law.

What freedoms have I lost exactly? The only time I lost any freedoms was when authoritarian control freaks went power mad in 2020/2021.

You think troops on the street are a good thing?!?! Troops on the street are not the way free countries operate.

And we are already at the concentration camp stage. Just because they're not on US soil doesn't make them not concentration camps. Remember, most of the Germans did not realize about places like Auschwitz.

 

[laughing dog]

How do you define “abuse of power” in this instance then? If what he did was within the legal confines of his position what exactly did he abuse?

ffs, I’m not going to dumb it down for you. You know why Newsom is doing this.

But you are dumbing down so well, why stop now?

Unless, of course, you cannot explain your position.