Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[DrZoidberg]

As an aside, for some odd reason. i thought a cease fire meant everyone ceased firing. Guess, I was wrong.

Palestinians don't respect rules. They have zero respect for any agreements made. Hamas thinks respecting human rights is haram because its a western invention. There's nothing the Hamas negotiators can do to stop Palestinians from shooting other than to murder all Palestinians. And that’s assuming they want to.

Israel will shoot back when they're fired upon. As always in this conflict Jews have a right to defend themselves. Just because the antisemites thinks Jews should just roll over and take it, they have no reason to do it. So they don't. And they can count on the retarded and racist western press to continue repeating Hamas lies about them

Israelis also shoot when they aren’t fired on. Ceasefire in that region doesn’t mean no shooting, just less shooting.

Hamas fights in civilian clothing, mix with civilians and can strike at any time. The results of such a tactic will lead to a lot of Palestinian civilian casualities. The nice thing for Israel with such a tactic is that they can't be given any blame for any Palestinian civilian casualties. It's just unreasonable to demand Israel to have the ability to distinguish soldier from civilian. They're not psychic. They're also trained soldiers. They're not going to take dumb risks. Any civilian who looks like they might be shooting, will get shot. That's just the reality of the situation on the ground.

But lots of civilians have been able to go to Israeli aid stations and get fed. So obviously the Israelis are not shooting indiscriminately.

At this point Israel had been behaving so well for so long and there's been so much oportunity to prove they've been misbehaving that the only reason I can see for continuing to blame Israel is antisemitism.

 

[DrZoidberg]

As of 19 November 2025, over 72,500 people (70,525 Palestinians[4][9] and 2,109 Israelis[c]) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including 248 journalists and media workers,[46][d] 120 academics,[49] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.[50]

The numbers of academics, etc. who were killed does not mean that they were not also combatants as well. We know some UNRWA workers have been involved in the 10/7 invasion itself for example. And the father-son duo who held hostages freed during the daring operation in Nuseirat in June 2024.
‘He was a pious man’: The Gaza neighborhood shocked to find Israeli hostages in their midst

Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians.[6][5][7][51]

I call BS on these supposed "scholars".

A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children.[52][53]

"Children" as used in these reports are anybody <18. But we know that Hamas and allied terror groups recruit minor teenagers. So just because somebody is classified as a "child" does not mean they he wasn't a combatant.
Also, 70% - even if accurate - would still be disproportionately few since we know that ~75% of Gaza population are minors and women.

This is a little graph I made using Gaza MOH data. It has the names, sexes and ages for almost 68k fatalities. It's the latest data I could find.
While the female graph follows the population pyramid, and thus appears to reflect largely random "collateral damage" deaths, the male graph has a marked bulge for teenagers and military age adults.

View attachment 52967

In January 2025, a peer-reviewed analysis of deaths in the Gaza war between October 2023 and 30 June 2024 was published in The Lancet. The paper estimated 64,260 deaths from traumatic injury during this period, and likely exceeding 70,000 by October 2024, with 59.1% of them being women, children and the elderly.

59% is more realistic, but note that this is even more disproportionately few. ~75% of Gaza is women and minors, if you add elderly that's ~77% or so. So only ~23% of the population are non-elderly men, but ~41% of fatalities are in that cohort.

It concluded that the GHM undercounted trauma-related deaths by 41% in its report, and also noted that its findings "underestimate the full impact of the military operation in Gaza, as they do not account for non-trauma-related deaths resulting from health service disruption, food insecurity, and inadequate water and sanitation."[58] A comparable figure for May 2025 would be 93,000 (77,000 to 109,000), representing 4–5% of Gaza's pre-war population.[59]

Do we have any evidence that these estimates are in any way accurate looking at actual deaths?

A survey by PCPSR reported showed over 60% of Gazans have lost family members since the war began.[60][61] Thousands of more dead bodies are thought to be under the rubble of destroyed buildings.[62][63] The number of injured is greater than 100,000;[64] Gaza has the most amputated children per capita in the world.[65]

The first point is due to the fact that Palestinians consider very extended family members. Like, if their 4th cousin twice removed got killed, they count that as "family member".
Yes, there is a large number of injured, incl. amputees. I wonder how it compares to the far deadlier conflict raging in Sudan. Also, I would like to see the age breakdown of these "amputated[sic] children". I suspect most are male teenagers. Btw, that is grammatically incorrect. You amputate limbs, not people. Kind of like "evacuate".

The October 7 attacks on Israel killed 1,195 people, including 815 civilians.[1] Casualties have also occurred in other parts of Israel, as well as in southern Lebanon,[66] Syria,[67] Yemen,[68] and Iran.[69]

You know, maybe Gaza should not have attacked Israel, and those other groups, like Hezbollah and the Houthis, all proxies for the Tehran regime, should not have joined in.

The most important thing is to blame Hamas for ALL these deaths. Any reported death should make Hamas look bad. So why they inflate numbers is beyond me. It was their job to keep Palestinian civilians safe. They did a terrible job at that.

 

[Tigers!]

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The claims you make about the character of Palestinians is racist propaganda. You appear to be completely unaware of the peaceful relations between Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims before the British took control of the area. You appear to be unaware of the Palestinian proposal for integrating European Jews in a multi-ethnic, multi-religion single State that was submitted to UN negotiators before the Zionists killed one of them and launched Plan Dalet. You appear to be utterly ignorant regarding the Oslo Accords.

Do you have some details on this integration proposal submitted to the UN? Was that in 1948? I presume the one killed was Folke Bernadotte?

 

[Arctish]

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The claims you make about the character of Palestinians is racist propaganda. You appear to be completely unaware of the peaceful relations between Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims before the British took control of the area. You appear to be unaware of the Palestinian proposal for integrating European Jews in a multi-ethnic, multi-religion single State that was submitted to UN negotiators before the Zionists killed one of them and launched Plan Dalet. You appear to be utterly ignorant regarding the Oslo Accords.

Do you have some details on this integration proposal submitted to the UN? Was that in 1948? I presume the one killed was Folke Bernadotte?

Link to the Library of Congress pdf of the Arab Proposal pamphlet.

Link to an abbreviated version.

The most pertinent part:

(i) Palestine should be a unitary State.

(ii) It should have a democratic constitution, with an elected legislature.

(iii) The constitution should provide guarantees for the sanctity of the Holy Places, covering inviolability, maintenance, freedom of access and freedom of worship in accordance with the status quo.

(iv) The constitution should guarantee, subject to suitable safeguards, freedom of religious practice in accordance with the status quo throughout Palestine (including maintenance of separate religious courts for matters of personal status).

(v) The law of naturalisation should provide among other conditions that the applicant should be a legal resident of Palestine for a continuous period of ten years before his application.

(vi) The constitution should provide guarantees for

(a) Full rights of citizenship for:

(1) Any person falling under Part I and subject to (3) below, any person falling under Part II of the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925-41.

(2) Any person who acquired Palestinian citizenship by naturalization before May 1939.

(3) Any person who acquired Palestinian citizenship after May 1939 under the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925-41, and has been permanently resident in Palestine for a period of ten years.

(4) Any person who in future acquires Palestinian citizenship by naturalisation under the new law of naturalisation referred to in sub-paragraph (v) above.

(b) The right of any resident in Palestine to apply for and acquire Palestinian citizenship on the same terms and conditions without discrimination on grounds of race, religion or language.

The part I think you will dislike the most:

(vii) Unless and until legislation provides otherwise, Jewish immigration into Palestine should be entirely prohibited, and the existing land transfer restrictions should remain unchanged. The constitution should provide that any change in the above two matters can only be effected by law requiring the consent of the Arabs in Palestine as expressed by a majority of the Arab members of the Legislative Assembly.

The Palestinians wanted an independent state just like their neighbors had been allowed to form after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and they wanted to control immigration so that indigenous Palestinians would not be outnumbered by immigrants pouring in from Europe. Jews who had immigrated to Palestine during the First and Second Aliyah would have automatically been citizens. Those who came during the Third and Fourth Aliyah would also have been citizens provided they had arrived legally and not left. Those who came illegally or did not attempt to become citizens would not have been considered citizens.

Immigration to Palestine would have been controlled. Great Britain and the United States would have had to help resettle the Jewish refugees, not just sent them all to Palestine and call that good enough.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children.[52][53]

"Children" as used in these reports are anybody <18. But we know that Hamas and allied terror groups recruit minor teenagers. So just because somebody is classified as a "child" does not mean they he wasn't a combatant.
Also, 70% - even if accurate - would still be disproportionately few since we know that ~75% of Gaza population are minors and women.

This is a little graph I made using Gaza MOH data. It has the names, sexes and ages for almost 68k fatalities. It's the latest data I could find.
While the female graph follows the population pyramid, and thus appears to reflect largely random "collateral damage" deaths, the male graph has a marked bulge for teenagers and military age adults.

View attachment 52967

In January 2025, a peer-reviewed analysis of deaths in the Gaza war between October 2023 and 30 June 2024 was published in The Lancet. The paper estimated 64,260 deaths from traumatic injury during this period, and likely exceeding 70,000 by October 2024, with 59.1% of them being women, children and the elderly.

59% is more realistic, but note ...

Read more carefully. Here is the quote you used with emphasis added:
"...70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children..."

 

[DrZoidberg]

A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children.[52][53]

"Children" as used in these reports are anybody <18. But we know that Hamas and allied terror groups recruit minor teenagers. So just because somebody is classified as a "child" does not mean they he wasn't a combatant.
Also, 70% - even if accurate - would still be disproportionately few since we know that ~75% of Gaza population are minors and women.

This is a little graph I made using Gaza MOH data. It has the names, sexes and ages for almost 68k fatalities. It's the latest data I could find.
While the female graph follows the population pyramid, and thus appears to reflect largely random "collateral damage" deaths, the male graph has a marked bulge for teenagers and military age adults.

View attachment 52967

In January 2025, a peer-reviewed analysis of deaths in the Gaza war between October 2023 and 30 June 2024 was published in The Lancet. The paper estimated 64,260 deaths from traumatic injury during this period, and likely exceeding 70,000 by October 2024, with 59.1% of them being women, children and the elderly.

59% is more realistic, but note ...

Read more carefully. Here is the quote you used with emphasis added:
"...70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children..."

When Hamas soldiers use residential buildings as a military position they will be hit as a military position. Hamas' entire strategy was to embed military targets within or beneath civilian targets.

Just because a building was intended as a civilian building doesn't mean it really is a civilian building. Hamas even booby trapped them extensively, making it necessary to demolish them from a distance.

Hamas has displayed the worst behaviour we've ever seen from any army ever. And that's quite a feat. The competition is fierce.

 

[laughing dog]

As an aside, for some odd reason. i thought a cease fire meant everyone ceased firing. Guess, I was wrong.

Palestinians don't respect rules. They have zero respect for any agreements made. Hamas thinks respecting human rights is haram because its a western invention. There's nothing the Hamas negotiators can do to stop Palestinians from shooting other than to murder all Palestinians. And that’s assuming they want to.

Israel will shoot back when they're fired upon. As always in this conflict Jews have a right to defend themselves. Just because the antisemites thinks Jews should just roll over and take it, they have no reason to do it. So they don't. And they can count on the retarded and racist western press to continue repeating Hamas lies about them

Israelis also shoot when they aren’t fired on. Ceasefire in that region doesn’t mean no shooting, just less shooting.

Hamas fights in civilian clothing, mix with civilians and can strike at any time. The results of such a tactic will lead to a lot of Palestinian civilian casualities. The nice thing for Israel with such a tactic is that they can't be given any blame for any Palestinian civilian casualties. It's just unreasonable to demand Israel to have the ability to distinguish soldier from civilian. They're not psychic. They're also trained soldiers. They're not going to take dumb risks. Any civilian who looks like they might be shooting, will get shot. That's just the reality of the situation on the ground.

But lots of civilians have been able to go to Israeli aid stations and get fed. So obviously the Israelis are not shooting indiscriminately.

At this point Israel had been behaving so well for so long and there's been so much oportunity to prove they've been misbehaving that the only reason I can see for continuing to blame Israel is antisemitism.

I didn’t blame Israel for anything. Your response suggests your view might change if you opened your eyes because
1) the IDF is using reserves (who are not professional soldiers),
2) difficulty in distinguishing between combatants and civilians is an excuse not a license for behavior,
3) during this “ceasefire”, everyone is shooting at each other, and
4) the IDF is bombing other countries.

But that suggestion comes with no expectation of change.

 

[bilby]

I call BS on these supposed "scholars".

Yeah, how dare someone claim to have more understanding of a topic than an obviously biased discission board poster, just because they have "studied" and "learned about" the subject at hand??

 

[TomC]

I call BS on these supposed "scholars".

Yeah, how dare someone claim to have more understanding of a topic than an obviously biased discission board poster, just because they have "studied" and "learned about" the subject at hand??

This reminds me of the many Christians insisting that they know more about God than I do because they have studied the NT.
Tom

 

[DrZoidberg]

As an aside, for some odd reason. i thought a cease fire meant everyone ceased firing. Guess, I was wrong.

Palestinians don't respect rules. They have zero respect for any agreements made. Hamas thinks respecting human rights is haram because its a western invention. There's nothing the Hamas negotiators can do to stop Palestinians from shooting other than to murder all Palestinians. And that’s assuming they want to.

Israel will shoot back when they're fired upon. As always in this conflict Jews have a right to defend themselves. Just because the antisemites thinks Jews should just roll over and take it, they have no reason to do it. So they don't. And they can count on the retarded and racist western press to continue repeating Hamas lies about them

Israelis also shoot when they aren’t fired on. Ceasefire in that region doesn’t mean no shooting, just less shooting.

Hamas fights in civilian clothing, mix with civilians and can strike at any time. The results of such a tactic will lead to a lot of Palestinian civilian casualities. The nice thing for Israel with such a tactic is that they can't be given any blame for any Palestinian civilian casualties. It's just unreasonable to demand Israel to have the ability to distinguish soldier from civilian. They're not psychic. They're also trained soldiers. They're not going to take dumb risks. Any civilian who looks like they might be shooting, will get shot. That's just the reality of the situation on the ground.

But lots of civilians have been able to go to Israeli aid stations and get fed. So obviously the Israelis are not shooting indiscriminately.

At this point Israel had been behaving so well for so long and there's been so much oportunity to prove they've been misbehaving that the only reason I can see for continuing to blame Israel is antisemitism.

I didn’t blame Israel for anything. Your response suggests your view might change if you opened your eyes because
1) the IDF is using reserves (who are not professional soldiers),

Israel is not USA.

Israel only has a tiny professional army. Its almost all conscripts. 5 years compulsory military service. All adult Israelis are trained soldiers. Including the Israeli Palestinians. Conscription has now made it compulsory for them as well.

Different countries have different military traditions. The Scandinavian countries have a similar tradition to Israel. Its quite common in Europe

2) difficulty in distinguishing between combatants and civilians is an excuse not a license for behavior,

I disagree. Its absolutely a valid excuse. Its not ok to put all responsibility on protecting Palestinian civilians on Israel. Its got to be a combined effort by both combatants. The moment Hamas decided to systematically use Palestinian civilians as human shields Hamas got all the blame for every Palestinian casualty. I don't think Israel is guilty of a single Palestinian death in Gaza

3) during this “ceasefire”, everyone is shooting at each other, and

I highly doubt that. Palestinians have systematically been provoking IDF soldiers for 75 years now, just to generate anti Israeli news stories.

I'm not saying Israeli soldiers are perfect. But they know they're held to impossible standards by an anti-Israeli racist world. They all know they can't afford to give the Palestinians what the Palestinians give them. Its just the sad reality of that conflict

4) the IDF is bombing other countries.

Ha ha. Yes, doing other countries dirty work and being applauded the whole way, by the Arab countries.

Being hated for irrational reasons also gives some freedom. Because Israel will be hated no matter what they can act where other Arab countries can't.

A problem with Islam is that Muslim countries can't just attack other Muslims for ordinary reasons. Its much more complicated for them. Especially if their political system is unstable. So they can give a secret green light to Israel.

That's part of the reason why Israel bombs other countries. The Arab countries are extremely grateful to Israel. In general.

But that suggestion comes with no expectation of change.

Israel does what it needs to do to survive. They're acting cautiously. But they're in such a precarious position they need to act hard and decisively or they will be wiped out.

The world hates Jews. Its a problem, and they are very aware of it

 

[laughing dog]

As an aside, for some odd reason. i thought a cease fire meant everyone ceased firing. Guess, I was wrong.

Palestinians don't respect rules. They have zero respect for any agreements made. Hamas thinks respecting human rights is haram because its a western invention. There's nothing the Hamas negotiators can do to stop Palestinians from shooting other than to murder all Palestinians. And that’s assuming they want to.

Israel will shoot back when they're fired upon. As always in this conflict Jews have a right to defend themselves. Just because the antisemites thinks Jews should just roll over and take it, they have no reason to do it. So they don't. And they can count on the retarded and racist western press to continue repeating Hamas lies about them

Israelis also shoot when they aren’t fired on. Ceasefire in that region doesn’t mean no shooting, just less shooting.

Hamas fights in civilian clothing, mix with civilians and can strike at any time. The results of such a tactic will lead to a lot of Palestinian civilian casualities. The nice thing for Israel with such a tactic is that they can't be given any blame for any Palestinian civilian casualties. It's just unreasonable to demand Israel to have the ability to distinguish soldier from civilian. They're not psychic. They're also trained soldiers. They're not going to take dumb risks. Any civilian who looks like they might be shooting, will get shot. That's just the reality of the situation on the ground.

But lots of civilians have been able to go to Israeli aid stations and get fed. So obviously the Israelis are not shooting indiscriminately.

At this point Israel had been behaving so well for so long and there's been so much oportunity to prove they've been misbehaving that the only reason I can see for continuing to blame Israel is antisemitism.

I didn’t blame Israel for anything. Your response suggests your view might change if you opened your eyes because
1) the IDF is using reserves (who are not professional soldiers),

Israel is not USA.

Israel only has a tiny professional army. Its almost all conscripts. 5 years compulsory military service. All adult Israelis are trained soldiers. Including the Israeli Palestinians. Conscription has now made it compulsory for them as well.

Different countries have different military traditions. The Scandinavian countries have a similar tradition to Israel. Its quite common in Europe

2) difficulty in distinguishing between combatants and civilians is an excuse not a license for behavior,

I disagree. Its absolutely a valid excuse. Its not ok to put all responsibility on protecting Palestinian civilians on Israel. Its got to be a combined effort by both combatants. The moment Hamas decided to systematically use Palestinian civilians as human shields Hamas got all the blame for every Palestinian casualty. I don't think Israel is guilty of a single Palestinian death in Gaza

3) during this “ceasefire”, everyone is shooting at each other, and

I highly doubt that. Palestinians have systematically been provoking IDF soldiers for 75 years now, just to generate anti Israeli news stories.

I'm not saying Israeli soldiers are perfect. But they know they're held to impossible standards by an anti-Israeli racist world. They all know they can't afford to give the Palestinians what the Palestinians give them. Its just the sad reality of that conflict

4) the IDF is bombing other countries.

Ha ha. Yes, doing other countries dirty work and being applauded the whole way, by the Arab countries.

Being hated for irrational reasons also gives some freedom. Because Israel will be hated no matter what they can act where other Arab countries can't.

A problem with Islam is that Muslim countries can't just attack other Muslims for ordinary reasons. Its much more complicated for them. Especially if their political system is unstable. So they can give a secret green light to Israel.

That's part of the reason why Israel bombs other countries. The Arab countries are extremely grateful to Israel. In general.

But that suggestion comes with no expectation of change.

Israel does what it needs to do to survive. They're acting cautiously. But they're in such a precarious position they need to act hard and decisively or they will be wiped out.

The world hates Jews. Its a problem, and they are very aware of it

My expectation was exceeded by your mindless apologia.

 

[Derec]

Yeah, how dare someone claim to have more understanding of a topic

Just because they claim to be "scholars" does not mean they have significant degree of understanding. That is classic argument from authority.

than an obviously biased discission board poster, just because they have "studied" and "learned about" the subject at hand??

I showed why I dispute their findings in some detail. I even analyzed Gaza MoH numbers showing that military age males are heavily overrepresented among fatalities, even if we accept the Hamas-run ministry's figures.

I am not just gainsaying and pointing to supposed "scholars" or accusing fellow posters of bias, like you are doing. Note that there is a great deal of political bias in social sciences[sic], and much of scholarship in that field is just political propaganda dressed up in "academeze".

 

[Derec]

Read more carefully. Here is the quote you used with emphasis added:
"...70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children..."

I do not think that there is a good way to determine who was killed in "residential buildings or similar housing" - what methodology did your sources use? Besides, Hamas often places military targets within civilian areas. For example, this rocket launcher amidst the tents in Al Mawasi. That is on Hamas and allied terror groups, not IDF.

(Note the launcher tube under that falling bomb)

Even with that location restriction, women and minors are still underrepresented, given that they are 75% of the Gaza population. And, as I said, somebody being a minor (<18) does not mean that they are not a combatant either. Hamas and allies often recruit minor teenagers.

 

[Derec]

Famine in Hunan, China 1946, black market merchant and starving boy.

Interesting that this tweet is the only place I could find that particular photo. Did Chinese women wear shorts and t-shirts in 1940s?

Hunger is not equally distributed during famines.

It is also not equally distributed during normal times.
If there was an actual famine, hunger and emaciation would be the rule, not the exception.

One plump person in Gaza does not mean no emaciated persons are there as well. You probably could have figured that out yourself if you had tried.

But it's not just one person. Photos like this are common. You will see photos of street scenes from Gaza and they show mostly people with normal proportions, and occasional fat ones like this guy.
The very few photos showing mostly emaciated children turned out to be children with severe preexisting conditions, often linked to consanguinity of their parents, not the fictitious famine.

 

[laughing dog]

Yeah, how dare someone claim to have more understanding of a topic

Just because they claim to be "scholars" does not mean they have significant degree of understanding. That is classic argument from authority.

There is no evidence that you know who these people are or that you are able to show flaws in their analysis.

I showed why I dispute their findings in some detail. I even analyzed Gaza MoH numbers showing that military age males are heavily overrepresented among fatalities, even if we accept the Hamas-run ministry's figures.

Yeah, showing that the IDF kills mostly males - who are there targets - doesn’t show they are killing mostly terrorists.

I am not just gainsaying and pointing to supposed "scholars" or accusing fellow posters of bias, like you are doing. Note that there is a great deal of political bias in social sciences[sic], and much of scholarship in that field is just political propaganda dressed up in "academeze".

As opposed the gargantuan level of bias and propaganda in your posts?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I showed why I dispute their findings in some detail. I even analyzed Gaza MoH numbers showing that military age males are heavily overrepresented among fatalities, even if we accept the Hamas-run ministry's figures.

Yeah, showing that the IDF kills mostly males - who are there targets - doesn’t show they are killing mostly terrorists.

I have to agree with you. For the reader's sake, some portion of suspects are innocent. The suspects will tend to be military-aged males because that will be used by soldiers as a factor in determining threat, not to mention that AI was also used and could also make mistakes. I don't expect the majority of "the bulge" or artifact in the graph to be non-militant persons, but it isn't clear precisely how many.

We could say that a reasonable upper bound number of terrorists could be the difference between the male and female numbers, but this would only be an upper bound. A more recent dataset gives 68226 Gazans killed. 21706 were female. If we suppose that females were innocent of being armed militants and innocent males were at least this number, then we have 2 x 21706 = 43412 lower bound innocent Gazans killed. We also have an upper bound of terrorists killed of 68226 - 43412 = 24814. We could say that the upper bound of terrorists killed was 36.4% and lower bound of innocents killed was 63.6%.

 

[Arctish]

Famine in Hunan, China 1946, black market merchant and starving boy.

Interesting that this tweet is the only place I could find that particular photo. Did Chinese women wear shorts and t-shirts in 1940s?

No. The rice merchant was a man.

The photographer was George Silk. A lot of his work was published in Life magazine, both those photographs he took in China during the famine and in other places over his lifetime. You can find more of his photos of people in China during the famine here.

Hunger is not equally distributed during famines.

It is also not equally distributed during normal times.
If there was an actual famine, hunger and emaciation would be the rule, not the exception.

Indeed.

I suppose you missed the part about the guy in Hunan being a black market merchant, not an ordinary grocer.

You have no idea who that guy in Gaza is. For all you know he could be a Prepper, a black market kingpin, or a formerly morbidly obese man who can get around pretty well now that he's lost 200 pounds.

One plump person in Gaza does not mean no emaciated persons are there as well. You probably could have figured that out yourself if you had tried.

But it's not just one person. Photos like this are common. You will see photos of street scenes from Gaza and they show mostly people with normal proportions, and occasional fat ones like this guy.
The very few photos showing mostly emaciated children turned out to be children with severe preexisting conditions, often linked to consanguinity of their parents, not the fictitious famine.

The World Health Organization confirmed famine in Gaza in August.

 

[DrZoidberg]

As an aside, for some odd reason. i thought a cease fire meant everyone ceased firing. Guess, I was wrong.

Palestinians don't respect rules. They have zero respect for any agreements made. Hamas thinks respecting human rights is haram because its a western invention. There's nothing the Hamas negotiators can do to stop Palestinians from shooting other than to murder all Palestinians. And that’s assuming they want to.

Israel will shoot back when they're fired upon. As always in this conflict Jews have a right to defend themselves. Just because the antisemites thinks Jews should just roll over and take it, they have no reason to do it. So they don't. And they can count on the retarded and racist western press to continue repeating Hamas lies about them

Israelis also shoot when they aren’t fired on. Ceasefire in that region doesn’t mean no shooting, just less shooting.

Hamas fights in civilian clothing, mix with civilians and can strike at any time. The results of such a tactic will lead to a lot of Palestinian civilian casualities. The nice thing for Israel with such a tactic is that they can't be given any blame for any Palestinian civilian casualties. It's just unreasonable to demand Israel to have the ability to distinguish soldier from civilian. They're not psychic. They're also trained soldiers. They're not going to take dumb risks. Any civilian who looks like they might be shooting, will get shot. That's just the reality of the situation on the ground.

But lots of civilians have been able to go to Israeli aid stations and get fed. So obviously the Israelis are not shooting indiscriminately.

At this point Israel had been behaving so well for so long and there's been so much oportunity to prove they've been misbehaving that the only reason I can see for continuing to blame Israel is antisemitism.

I didn’t blame Israel for anything. Your response suggests your view might change if you opened your eyes because
1) the IDF is using reserves (who are not professional soldiers),

Israel is not USA.

Israel only has a tiny professional army. Its almost all conscripts. 5 years compulsory military service. All adult Israelis are trained soldiers. Including the Israeli Palestinians. Conscription has now made it compulsory for them as well.

Different countries have different military traditions. The Scandinavian countries have a similar tradition to Israel. Its quite common in Europe

2) difficulty in distinguishing between combatants and civilians is an excuse not a license for behavior,

I disagree. Its absolutely a valid excuse. Its not ok to put all responsibility on protecting Palestinian civilians on Israel. Its got to be a combined effort by both combatants. The moment Hamas decided to systematically use Palestinian civilians as human shields Hamas got all the blame for every Palestinian casualty. I don't think Israel is guilty of a single Palestinian death in Gaza

3) during this “ceasefire”, everyone is shooting at each other, and

I highly doubt that. Palestinians have systematically been provoking IDF soldiers for 75 years now, just to generate anti Israeli news stories.

I'm not saying Israeli soldiers are perfect. But they know they're held to impossible standards by an anti-Israeli racist world. They all know they can't afford to give the Palestinians what the Palestinians give them. Its just the sad reality of that conflict

4) the IDF is bombing other countries.

Ha ha. Yes, doing other countries dirty work and being applauded the whole way, by the Arab countries.

Being hated for irrational reasons also gives some freedom. Because Israel will be hated no matter what they can act where other Arab countries can't.

A problem with Islam is that Muslim countries can't just attack other Muslims for ordinary reasons. Its much more complicated for them. Especially if their political system is unstable. So they can give a secret green light to Israel.

That's part of the reason why Israel bombs other countries. The Arab countries are extremely grateful to Israel. In general.

But that suggestion comes with no expectation of change.

Israel does what it needs to do to survive. They're acting cautiously. But they're in such a precarious position they need to act hard and decisively or they will be wiped out.

The world hates Jews. Its a problem, and they are very aware of it

My expectation was exceeded by your mindless apologia.

Standing up for what is right isn't mindless apolagia. I don't like victim blaming. It's time to grow a spine.

 

[laughing dog]

Standing up for what is right isn't mindless apolagia.

You confuse moral clarity with rational discussion. Kneejerk reactions that defy reality are mindless apologia.

Broad statements such as “Palestinians don’t respect rules” and “I don’t think Israel is guilty of a single Palestinian death in Gaza.” are two examples of mindless apologia.

I don't like victim blaming. It's time to grow a spine.

The irony of that is overwhelming.

In other news, according to Israel’s data, instead of 600 trucks of daily aid entering Gaza, only 459 make it in. The entire world needs to up its efforts. “Entire” means everyone.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Standing up for what is right isn't mindless apolagia.

You confuse moral clarity with rational discussion. Kneejerk reactions that defy reality are mindless apologia.

Broad statements such as “Palestinians don’t respect rules” and “I don’t think Israel is guilty of a single Palestinian death in Gaza.” are two examples of mindless apologia.

I think western values, liberal democracy and personal freedoms are worth defending and fighting for. We have plenty of examples of radicalised brainwashed populations. The Germans under the Nazis weren't some subhuman monsters. They were just like us. Just part of a nation that had taken some wrong turns. Same deal with the Palestinians. FYI, de-radicalisation of Germany took a long time. The sunk cost fallacy made many Germans loyal Nazis well into the 1970'ies.

Fascist organisations use all the psychological tricks to control people, and make them willing tools for the overarching idea. Having a problem with that... isn't "kneejerk reactions".

Islamofascism isn't so much Islamic, as it is fascist. Just like the Germans, modern Islam has taken some ideological wrong turns and ended up here. Just like the Germans did under the Nazis.

Do you know who else didn't respect rules, Nazi Germans. They thought it was a sign of weakness. They think respecting human rights and respecting laws was a sign of western decadence. Nazi Germany and Islamist radicals have remarkably similar styles of rhetoric.

I'll tell you another unfortunate ideological wrong turn, the western left getting in bed with these Islamofascist monsters. The leftists today said the same thing before WW2, making excuses for Hitler.

We seem easily impressed by convinced fanatics. Islamists arent exactly subtle about what they want. It's nice that Hamas, following the 7/10 attack realised that it was a good move to remove the bit from their mission statement about murdering all Jews. But don't make the mistake of thinking Hamas is any different. It's not.

I don't like victim blaming. It's time to grow a spine.

The irony of that is overwhelming.

Stop defending mass murderers! The support for Hamas in this thread and on this forum is sickening imho. It's not cool.

In other news, according to Israel’s data, instead of 600 trucks of daily aid entering Gaza, only 459 make it in. The entire world needs to up its efforts. “Entire” means everyone.

Israel is doing their best in an impossible situation. You are aware Hamas has alla along been trying to prevent Israel from feeding the Palestinians?

And they did manage to avert starvation in Gaza.

I notice how you don't take into account how many Palestinian lives were saved by being able to get food from other places than Hamas. Since Hamas was using the food distribution to control where Palestinians would be and therefore could use them as human shields.