Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

[Elixir]

people out in the Internet should figure it out and see if it's valid before raising it to the caliber of all the known things

I agree as a principle, but in this case, what difference can any of it make?
We ALREADY KNOW The Felon, in addition to being a 34x convicted fraud, is an adjudicated rapist and a serial criminal, and there is little reason to doubt any of the myriad disgusting deeds of which he is accused by women with little to gain from such accusation.
There are many many MANY “known things”, and any one of them would land almost anyone else in prison for a very long time. Finding ten times more of the same shit isn’t going to move Trump any closer to incarceration.
The only good thing is that every day moves him closer to death.

 

[Jarhyn]

people out in the Internet should figure it out and see if it's valid before raising it to the caliber of all the known things

I agree as a principle, but in this case, what difference can any of it make?
We ALREADY KNOW The Felon, in addition to being a 34x convicted fraud, is an adjudicated rapist and a serial criminal, and there is little reason to doubt any of the myriad disgusting deeds of which he is accused by women with little to gain from such accusation.
There are many many MANY “known things”, and any one of them would land almost anyone else in prison for a very long time. Finding ten times more of the same shit isn’t going to move Trump any closer to incarceration.
The only good thing is that every day moves him closer to death.

As [xxx] talked about his time meeting Donald Trump, [xxxx] immediately [xxxx] demeanor went "stone cold" as [xxxx] stated "he raped me." [xxx] said "what" as [xxxx] replied "Donald J. Trump had raped her along with Jeffrey Epstein." [xxxx] noted some girl with a funny name "took me into a fancy hotel or building, that's how it happened."

Haha, didn't see the previous page. Yep.

Donald Trump is a rapist and murderer.

Be "skeptical".

I'm also going to be thrilled to find out what's behind all that PDF black highlighter redacting, too.

Apparently a bunch of this one was very rushed.

 

[thebeave]

Fake Epstein Suicide Video Sparks New Questions About DOJ Oversight

A fabricated video of Jeffrey Epstein's death was briefly published by the US Department of Justice, raising serious questions about government oversight and fueling new conspiracy theories.

www.ibtimes.co.uk

Don't worry though, we can totally trust the Trump administration and it's a totally reliable source of information.

DoJ says Jeffrey Epstein letter to Larry Nassar referencing Trump is fake

Justice department says FBI confirmed letter is fake and lists why it was not deemed genuine by authorities

www.theguardian.com

Apparently Trump loved them "nubile" young women.

I swear to God, just using that word is a fucking red flag.

Also, it indicates that Epstein knew his death was imminent. It doesn't mean he killed himself, but it does mean he probably didn't fight it.

The Nassar-Epstein letter appears to be fake:

Investigating letter Epstein allegedly sent to Larry Nassar that mentioned Trump

The claim that such a letter was included in the Justice Department's release of Epstein case documents was true.

However, it is important to note that Snopes was unable to verify the letter was genuinely written by Epstein. The Department of Justice said on X that it had confirmed the letter was fake.

The FBI has confirmed this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nassar is FAKE. The fake letter was received by the jail, and flagged for the FBI at the time. The FBI made this conclusion based on the following facts:

-The writing does not appear to match Jeffrey Epstein's.

-The letter was postmarked three days after Epstein's death out of Northern Virginia, when he was jailed in New York.

-The return address did not list the jail where Epstein was held and did not include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail.

 

[ZiprHead]

Fake Epstein Suicide Video Sparks New Questions About DOJ Oversight

A fabricated video of Jeffrey Epstein's death was briefly published by the US Department of Justice, raising serious questions about government oversight and fueling new conspiracy theories.

www.ibtimes.co.uk

Don't worry though, we can totally trust the Trump administration and it's a totally reliable source of information.

DoJ says Jeffrey Epstein letter to Larry Nassar referencing Trump is fake

Justice department says FBI confirmed letter is fake and lists why it was not deemed genuine by authorities

www.theguardian.com

Apparently Trump loved them "nubile" young women.

I swear to God, just using that word is a fucking red flag.

Also, it indicates that Epstein knew his death was imminent. It doesn't mean he killed himself, but it does mean he probably didn't fight it.

The Nassar-Epstein letter appears to be fake:

Investigating letter Epstein allegedly sent to Larry Nassar that mentioned Trump

The claim that such a letter was included in the Justice Department's release of Epstein case documents was true.

However, it is important to note that Snopes was unable to verify the letter was genuinely written by Epstein. The Department of Justice said on X that it had confirmed the letter was fake.

The FBI has confirmed this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nassar is FAKE. The fake letter was received by the jail, and flagged for the FBI at the time. The FBI made this conclusion based on the following facts:

-The writing does not appear to match Jeffrey Epstein's.

-The letter was postmarked three days after Epstein's death out of Northern Virginia, when he was jailed in New York.

-The return address did not list the jail where Epstein was held and did not include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail.

It sounds like someone was attempting to manufacture evidence that Epstein killed himself as opposed to being murdered.

 

[ZiprHead]

Don't hold back, Katie. Tell us how you really feel.

 

[ZiprHead]

Somebody's worried...

 

[ZiprHead]

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.


The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists an unnamed uncle as the perpetrator and Trump as a witness.

 

[thebeave]

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.


The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists an unnamed uncle as the perpetrator and Trump as a witness.

Do you think this is true?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.


The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists an unnamed uncle as the perpetrator and Trump as a witness.

Do you think this is true?

May or may not be true. Plausible? Sure.

 

[thebeave]

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.


The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists an unnamed uncle as the perpetrator and Trump as a witness.

Do you think this is true?

May or may not be true. Plausible? Sure.

Pretty unlikely, dude.

FBI tip alleged Trump witnessed Epstein victim's baby being killed, dumped in Lake Michigan

While the tip alleged the incident occurred in 1984, Trump reportedly did not meet Epstein until the late 1980s.

Trump bought Mar-a-Lago in December 1985, and Epstein bought his Palm Beach residence in 1990, though evidence suggests he may have frequented Palm Beach in the 1980s. In 2002, Trump told New York magazine he'd known Epstein for 15 years — suggesting they met in or around 1987. The New York Times published a 1986 photo of Epstein with Wall Street stockbroker Nikki Haskell, whom the Times described as a close friend of Ivana Trump's — Trump's then-wife, indicating they may have had overlapping social circles in New York before Epstein bought property in Palm Beach.

It's unclear why Trump and Epstein would have been in a small town in Michigan when neither of them had any documented links to the immediate area at the time. Trump did own a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan for years — but that riverboat, based in Gary, Indiana, did not open until 1996, according to news reports from the time.

We reached out to the Muskegon County Sheriff's Office seeking any information regarding a sex trafficking ring in the county — where the incident allegedly took place — in the 1980s, and did not immediately hear back.

Also, in case you're interested in reading further...Muskegon County, Michigan. Population 158,000 in 1984. A whole lot of nothin' for big shot New Yorkers like Trump and Epstein (who were not known to have even met at that time) to be hanging out.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.


The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists an unnamed uncle as the perpetrator and Trump as a witness.

Do you think this is true?

May or may not be true. Plausible? Sure.

Pretty unlikely, dude.

FBI tip alleged Trump witnessed Epstein victim's baby being killed, dumped in Lake Michigan

While the tip alleged the incident occurred in 1984, Trump reportedly did not meet Epstein until the late 1980s.

Trump bought Mar-a-Lago in December 1985, and Epstein bought his Palm Beach residence in 1990, though evidence suggests he may have frequented Palm Beach in the 1980s. In 2002, Trump told New York magazine he'd known Epstein for 15 years — suggesting they met in or around 1987. The New York Times published a 1986 photo of Epstein with Wall Street stockbroker Nikki Haskell, whom the Times described as a close friend of Ivana Trump's — Trump's then-wife, indicating they may have had overlapping social circles in New York before Epstein bought property in Palm Beach.

It's unclear why Trump and Epstein would have been in a small town in Michigan when neither of them had any documented links to the immediate area at the time. Trump did own a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan for years — but that riverboat, based in Gary, Indiana, did not open until 1996, according to news reports from the time.

We reached out to the Muskegon County Sheriff's Office seeking any information regarding a sex trafficking ring in the county — where the incident allegedly took place — in the 1980s, and did not immediately hear back.

Also, in case you're interested in reading further...Muskegon County, Michigan. Population 158,000 in 1984. A whole lot of nothin' for big shot New Yorkers like Trump and Epstein (who were not known to have even met at that time) to be hanging out.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said it was plausible. As in, not probable, but do I believe Trump is capable of that? Yes.

 

[ZiprHead]

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.


The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists an unnamed uncle as the perpetrator and Trump as a witness.

Do you think this is true?

I thinks it's news related to the subject of the thread.

 

[bilby]

If you were trying to defend a public figure against whom many records of crimes existed, and your attempts to suppress or destroy those records met with failure, your next move would be to get into the public domain as many false records and documents as possible.

If there are tens of thousands of alleged "Epstein Files" that name Trump, and half are obvious and crude fakes, and half of the rest are demonstrably fake (but less crude and less obvious), then most people will be easily persuaded that the few dozen that really are hard evidence of real crimes are also fake, and are just evidence of a sophisticated plot to smear the blameless and persecuted Mr Trump.

This is highly predictable. It's also highly effective.

A single document may be damning. A dozen not so much so. Hundreds never are. Tens of thousands are utterly valueless, and can only operate to obscure, never to reveal.

 

[Elixir]

A single document may be damning. A dozen not so much so. Hundreds never are. Tens of thousands are utterly valueless, and can only operate to obscure, never to reveal.

And millions of documents are proof that democrats dunnit, it’s a democrat hoax and Trump dindunuffin.

 

[Jarhyn]

A single document may be damning. A dozen not so much so. Hundreds never are. Tens of thousands are utterly valueless, and can only operate to obscure, never to reveal.

And millions of documents are proof that democrats dunnit, it’s a democrat hoax and Trump dindunuffin.

I find it hilarious that Trump is a "Dindu", but for some reason the usual suspects who claim that are... Not critical at all of him.

Of course, Donald Trump and a number of powerful individuals were co-conspirators with Epstein. We know this. It's an "open secret".

That they are flooding the zone like this means that AT LEAST some of those reports are true, regardless of how people will see a flooded zone and assume "all lies".

It's interesting that when someone "floods the zone" with claims they want you to believe, the response is to assume all are false if most are false; when it is a claim they do not want you to believe, the response is the inverse: assume some are true when most are false.

 

[Elixir]

It's interesting that when someone "floods the zone" with claims they want you to believe, the response is to assume all are false if most are false; when it is a claim they do not want you to believe, the response is the inverse: assume some are true when most are false.

If it's Democrats, 'where there's smoke there's fire' applies.
Where there is a blazing orange flame, that's just trump being trump.

 

[ideologyhunter]

The only good thing is that every day moves him closer to death.

This is a time to be careful with language. The docs at Walter Reed just found a suspicious ovarian cyst deep in the President's neck folds.

 

[Swammerdami]

(Don't worry. I'll get to the point eventually.)

Dan Rather succeeded Walter Cronkite "the most trusted man in America" as chief news anchor for CBS. This was in the olden days, when broadcast TV news lost money but was broadcast as a public service. (IIRC there were government policies to encourage this.)

A story prepared by Rather for 60 Minutes was about President George W. Bush. During the Vietnam War, George Bush defended America against the Viet Cong by flying National Guard aircraft over the Gulf of America (on the opposite side of the world from Vietnam). This cushy position wasn't good enough for the future President: He frequently went AWOL to party and drink in nearby towns. His commanders looked the other way: Bush's father was VERY well-connected.

There was plenty of evidence to prove this Bush behavior, for which a less well-connected airman might have been court-martialed, but Rather was presented with a "smoking gun" -- a letter written detailing the misbehavior and written by Bush's commanding officer Lt. Col. Jerry Killian —who was conveniently deceased.

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If you were trying to defend a public figure against whom many records of crimes existed, and your attempts to suppress or destroy those records met with failure, your next move would be to get into the public domain as many false records and documents as possible.

If there are tens of thousands of alleged "Epstein Files" that name Trump, and half are obvious and crude fakes, and half of the rest are demonstrably fake (but less crude and less obvious), then most people will be easily persuaded that the few dozen that really are hard evidence of real crimes are also fake, and are just evidence of a sophisticated plot to smear the blameless and persecuted Mr Trump.

This is highly predictable. It's also highly effective.

A single document may be damning. A dozen not so much so. Hundreds never are. Tens of thousands are utterly valueless, and can only operate to obscure, never to reveal.

Yes. This sort of fraud -- popular among Republicans -- is what doomed Dan Rather's career, and turned attention away from GWB's misbehavior to Rather's fake letter. That letter was probably engineered by Karl Rove, the GOP operative famous for precisely this sort of deception.

 

[Patooka]

DOJ admits to releasing less than 1% of the Epstein files so far

More than two weeks after a court-ordered deadline to release the Epstein files , the Justice Department acknowledged Monday that it has barely scratched the surface. In ...

www.dailykos.com

Because I think Daily Kos is a parasitic website;
Primary source

Any MAGA cultists not fine with this?

 

[Tigers!]

What impresses me (in a peculiar way) is the sheer amount of documentation that has been released about Esptein already and yet there is more to come. Do we know the upper bound yet?

Where has all this paperwork come from? I know there are transcripts etc. but I find it amazing how much there is.