ICE murders another American.

[Patooka]

Fuck I'm glad I got in first. Makes me sound original instead of obvious.

But according to dereclogic, I was just being nuanced.

 

[barbos]

 

[Gospel]

That’s the kind of truth that’s so fucked up it makes me laugh.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

DoJ says it is performing Civil Rights investigation into Pretti shooting to determine if the ICE agents who shot an unarmed civilian ten times violated the dead man's Civil Rights. Pretti had engaged with ICE agents via "talking" while standing in the street in the minute or so before the ICE agents started physically assaulting him and others. The dead man's last words were "Are you ok?" after shield a woman with body from the tear gas an ICE agent was spraying at her.

or maybe?

DoJ says it is performing a Civil Rights investigation to determine if Pretti or any of the other protestors at the site violated the Civil Rights of the ICE Agents who were "just doing their job". "Words can scar people" and those protestors very well might have hurt the ICE agents so much, they entered a state of bewilderment and couldn't possibly be held responsible for their actions.

 

[Elixir]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

Exactly how does it “relativize” the narrative that Mr Pretti was just trying to help a somebody being assaulted by ICE agents?

You have to keep in mind that Derec is NOT a trumpsucker!

 

[Derec]

I'll point out the obvious - did the ICE thug who emptied almost a full fucking magazine into Pretti know of all these facts? Pretti kicked a taillight in an unrelated incident and rushed in to provide aid in another. Two things can be true at once fore fucks sake.

Of course. That's why I wrote: "That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, "

 

[Derec]

You have to keep in mind that Derec is NOT a trumpsucker!

Unironically, I am not.
But I am also not a sucker of the far left "no human is illegal on stolen land" idiots.

Neither of us likes Trump. But I at least understand that the failures of the Democratic Party played a major role in Trump getting elected twice.
And immigration was a major such failure. Not only on the border, where Biden and his Border Czarina Kamala did a bang-up job, but also Democrats running sanctuary cities and states where they are going out of their way not to cooperate with immigration authorities, and are even hindering their work. A good example of that is San Francisco releasing a felonious illegal García Zárate, despite Obama-era ICE filing an detainer. GZ then went on to kill an innocent young woman.

Had Dems been more sane on immigration, Trump would have lost a major issue. Remember also that in debates starting in Summer 2019, many Dem presidential candidates supported decriminalizing illegal border crossings.
Most Democrats promise to decriminalize border crossings during 2020 debate

 

[Derec]

Just as an aside... the reason they did not arrest him was probably because if they did, it would have been discovered he had a broken rib.

Or maybe local police should have cooperated with ICE and do things like arresting suspects that they are better trained and equipped for.

Actually, a lot of problems could be avoided if this silly attitude of not cooperating with ICE were lifted. That sets up unnecessary tension between local and federal authorities. Also, many ICE operations would be unnecessary if local governments were to honor immigration detainers for criminal illegals who are in their custody anyway.

They had decided to administer justice for the taillight by beating the crap out of him and then running away.

Are you sure the broken rib is from the same incident? If he had two hostile encounters with ICE, it is possible he had three as well.

And so far as the taillight goes, ..., apparently Pretti was angry because earlier there was a family walking around being stalked (and/or chased) by agents.

Even if this were true [citation needed], how does that justify vandalism?

I could ask whatever happened to warrants, probable cause, law and order, and protected rights, but we seem to have moved past that era.

I agree that all those things are important. But it is telling that the left does not want ICE operating in cities, and they also do not want local police cooperating with ICE. That means that y'all do not want any immigration enforcement whatsoever. Trump is playing into your hands with his usual "bull in a china shop" approach, but the hardcore left does not want any deportations.

 

[Derec]

So not only did ICE agents fail to arrest a non-peaceful protester for a first altercation, they failed fantastically to arrest the same non-peaceful protester in a second altercation. I recall hearing complaints about the justice system “just letting people go.” You’ve talked about that a lot, does this situation count?

Minneapolis police should have been there to arrest people.

 

[Derec]

The punishment for breaking a tail light isn't execution, am I missing something?

Yes. Read my post again.

 

[Derec]

Exactly how does it “relativize” the narrative that Mr Pretti was just trying to help a somebody being assaulted by ICE agents?

Because he has participated in an attack on an ICE vehicle. That means that he is not peaceful.

 

[Derec]

All of this is not evidence of a "domestic terrorist" kicking a taillight, but just how much our institutions have changed as we move into fascism.

It's fascism to not allow angry LWNJs to kick in taillights of law enforcement vehicles.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Just as an aside... the reason they did not arrest him was probably because if they did, it would have been discovered he had a broken rib.

Or maybe local police should have cooperated with ICE and do things like arresting suspects that they are better trained and equipped for.

Right...it's the LOCAL police's fault that they broke his rib and ran.

Actually, a lot of problems could be avoided if this silly attitude of not cooperating with ICE were lifted. That sets up unnecessary tension between local and federal authorities. Also, many ICE operations would be unnecessary if local governments were to honor immigration detainers for criminal illegals who are in their custody anyway.

A lot of tension could also be eliminated by not arresting people without warrants and not going after people not guilty of crimes.

They had decided to administer justice for the taillight by beating the crap out of him and then running away.

Are you sure the broken rib is from the same incident? If he had two hostile encounters with ICE, it is possible he had three as well.

He could have had 4 or 5, too, in which case these agents who executed him most likely knew him.

And so far as the taillight goes, ..., apparently Pretti was angry because earlier there was a family walking around being stalked (and/or chased) by agents.

Even if this were true [citation needed], how does that justify vandalism?

How does that justify executing him?

I could ask whatever happened to warrants, probable cause, law and order, and protected rights, but we seem to have moved past that era.

I agree that all those things are important. But it is telling that the left does not want ICE operating in cities, and they also do not want local police cooperating with ICE. That means that y'all do not want any immigration enforcement whatsoever. Trump is playing into your hands with his usual "bull in a china shop" approach, but the hardcore left does not want any deportations.

The LEFT isn't the problem. Trump is the problem. He created the immigration problem and has been using it to try to agitate people into justifying a claim of the Insurrection Act. He lied about the number of undocumented immigrants and created a quota system around it. He has been inflaming the issue by calling people pieces of trash and giving agents immunity to violently assault and execute people. If we simply had stuck to a system that worked prior to Trump telling the Republicans in Congress to do nothing--where courts determine guilt over time and ICE is used sparingly to capture violent felonious immigrants who do not show up in courts for their removal, then everything would be fine. Instead, we've got Trump trying to encroach on unconstitutionally having a Standing Army not checked by Congress for his own purposes. People have a right to be angry about it and protest.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

All of this is not evidence of a "domestic terrorist" kicking a taillight, but just how much our institutions have changed as we move into fascism.

It's fascism to not allow angry LWNJs to kick in taillights of law enforcement vehicles.

Snipping me out of context doesn't validate your cherry-picked post.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

All of this is not evidence of a "domestic terrorist" kicking a taillight, but just how much our institutions have changed as we move into fascism.

It's fascism to not allow angry LWNJs to kick in taillights of law enforcement vehicles.

Nope! It is fascism to say your paramilitary state police have absolute immunity though.

 

[laughing dog]

Exactly how does it “relativize” the narrative that Mr Pretti was just trying to help a somebody being assaulted by ICE agents?

Because he has participated in an attack on an ICE vehicle. That means that he is not peaceful.

No, it means he was not peaceful on when he attacked the ICE vehicle. It indicates nothing about how he acted when he was executed by domestic terrorists ICE agents.

It would be helpful and edifying if you posted a link to a video of his aggressive behavior during his confrontation on the day of death.

 

[Gospel]

So not only did ICE agents fail to arrest a non-peaceful protester for a first altercation, they failed fantastically to arrest the same non-peaceful protester in a second altercation. I recall hearing complaints about the justice system “just letting people go.” You’ve talked about that a lot, does this situation count?

Minneapolis police should have been there to arrest people.

Who was supposed to notify them, the person committing the crime? These protesters organize on the fly using apps, police aren’t everywhere, but you know who is already on scene when demonstrators show up? ICE. Minneapolis police complained about a lack of communication with law enforcement from ICE.

 

[laughing dog]

So not only did ICE agents fail to arrest a non-peaceful protester for a first altercation, they failed fantastically to arrest the same non-peaceful protester in a second altercation. I recall hearing complaints about the justice system “just letting people go.” You’ve talked about that a lot, does this situation count?

Minneapolis police should have been there to arrest people.

Like the ICE thugs?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

All of this is not evidence of a "domestic terrorist" kicking a taillight, but just how much our institutions have changed as we move into fascism.

It's fascism to not allow angry LWNJs to kick in taillights of law enforcement vehicles.

His murder was not justified, now here are 35 posts about why he was culpable for his own murder.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You have to keep in mind that Derec is NOT a trumpsucker!

Unironically, I am not.
But I am also not a sucker of the far left "no human is illegal on stolen land" idiots.

Neither of us likes Trump. But I at least understand that the failures of the Democratic Party played a major role in Trump getting elected twice.
And immigration was a major such failure. Not only on the border, where Biden and his Border Czarina Kamala did a bang-up job, but also Democrats running sanctuary cities and states where they are going out of their way not to cooperate with immigration authorities, and are even hindering their work. A good example of that is San Francisco releasing a felonious illegal García Zárate, despite Obama-era ICE filing an detainer. GZ then went on to kill an innocent young woman.

Had Dems been more sane on immigration, Trump would have lost a major issue. Remember also that in debates starting in Summer 2019, many Dem presidential candidates supported decriminalizing illegal border crossings.
Most Democrats promise to decriminalize border crossings during 2020 debate

The Democrats lost in 2024 because of inflation, not immigration. Most American's lives are not negatively impacted by undocumented people in this country.

The obsession with undocumented immigrants is so damn unhealthy. Covid-19 killed 1+ million Americans. cancers kill over 600,000 annually. Access to health care is very difficult in rural areas with notable delays. There can be waiting list in urban areas that last several months! Housing is getting harder and more expensive to access. Prescription medications are out of reach for many people, even if they have health insurance. And of course, food never goes down in price and gets more expensive. These are the ACTUAL daily problems people face in America. Undocumented workers ain't a problem worth messing one's pants over. I am so tired of people whining about the illegal immigrants, drooling like Pavlov's dog, as if it fucking matters in their lives.

FUCK! What I'd give for all the real shit in my life to disappear so that Illegal Immigrants rose to be the prominent thing impacting my life.