ICE murders another American.

[GenesisNemesis]

Steve Bannon calls for Trump to "raise the temperature" in Minneapolis: "You're gonna have to round up some 5-year-olds with their parents"

www.mediamatters.org

So more murders then?

 

[Tigers!]

There will be no investigation of Pretti's murder.

Why would there not be an investigation? It is screaming for an investigation.
Can not a coroner or similar official launch one?

 

[crazyfingers]

There will be no investigation of Pretti's murder.

Why would there not be an investigation? It is screaming for an investigation.
Can not a coroner or similar official launch one?

If the Department of inJustice and the FBI decide not to investigate and refuse to let the state use what evidence it has then there will be no investigation. I suspect that there will be a little bit of an investigation here by the FBI but it will be truncated because the Trump administration wishes it so. The administration will lie about having done a thorough investigation and no one with a working brain will believe them.

Recall that when Ms Good was shot by ICE a couple weeks ago the FBI/ICE refused to investigate and instead investigated Ms Good's partner. It's disgusting but the Trump administration is rancidly corrupt.

 

[Derec]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

 

[Patooka]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

I'll point out the obvious - did the ICE thug who emptied almost a full fucking magazine into Pretti know of all these facts? Pretti kicked a taillight in an unrelated incident and rushed in to provide aid in another. Two things can be true at once fore fucks sake.

 

[bilby]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

I'll point out the obvious - did the ICE thug who emptied almost a full fucking magazine into Pretti know of all these facts?

Or even any of them? It took the reich-wing press several days to track this "information" down.

Pretti kicked a taillight in an unrelated incident and rushed in to provide aid in another. Two things can be true at once fore fucks sake.

Nope. Every person is either a good guy, who never, ever, does anything bad; Or a bad guy, who should be shot on sight without hesitation by any good guys who happen to be around. And this status is acquired at birth, and immutable.

Apparently.

 

[Patooka]

I heard Pretti actually liked the last season of Game of Thrones. That doesn't justify what happened BUT it does put his judgement into question.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Hold on, guys. This absolutely changes the narrative.

We've been assuming this was the only interaction between Pretti and these masked agents. Under such assumptions, it's fair to say they were violent cowards and had a competence problem. In a fair world, we'd be looking at manslaughter charges.

However, if they were aware that Pretti broke a taillight and remembered that they broke his rib before, then it calls into question their motivation. Perhaps, they weren't merely incompetent cowards, but were exacting retribution when they executed him on his knees. That's 1st or 2nd degree murder.

The Reich-wing is scouring the Internet for videos of Pretti and anything on him, you know, like they do all the time to victims like Trayvon Martin and others....while ignoring any evidence they might find about perps. So, there's no info on the agents who did this. Are they the same agents who broke his rib? Are they the same agents who shot Renee Good in the face? They're allowed to be masked. So-called journalists aren't looking at this either and perhaps cannot because the government will accuse the free press of doxing.

All of this is not evidence of a "domestic terrorist" kicking a taillight, but just how much our institutions have changed as we move into fascism.

 

[Harry Bosch]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

Clearly, he should have been shot dead then. We can't have people with registered hand guns being meanies to ICE.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

Clearly in the incident where he was executed, he was inserting himself onto ICE, quite non-violently at that.

The part when he was helping a person who was tear gassed and pushed down to the ground, was when they started beating on him and right before the execution.

 

[laughing dog]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

Exactly how does it “relativize” the narrative that Mr Pretti was just trying to help a somebody being assaulted by ICE agents?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

Exactly how does it “relativize” the narrative that Mr Pretti was just trying to help a somebody being assaulted by ICE agents?

It is creating a very false narrative!

Pretti was there because ICE was there. Pretti is allowed to be there, he is allowed to have a voice. He isn't allowed to threaten ICE (which is what was alleged he did by ICE and the top members of the Trump Administration). Also what isn't allowed if for ICE to force an engagement with a person who has retreated and was starting to tend to a woman that was needlessly assaulted by ICE. It was that point that the ICE thugs started beating Pretti. And the bonus is the Trump Admin's top officials claimed Pretti brandished his weapon and threatened the lives of the ICE thugs, when did nothing remotely like that. They murdered a fucking nurse, one of the most important and caring jobs that exists, and the Trump Admin lied their fucking asses off to try and cover it up. To make it as if ICE didn't execute Pretti. And our faithful here need to try and obfuscate real world tyranny.

ICE gonna murder a Kindergarten teacher next and we'll hear about how she used "the f word" when accosting ICE?

There are no "but's" here, Pretti was executed by the US Government for communicating a contrary opinion.

 

[laughing dog]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

Exactly how does it “relativize” the narrative that Mr Pretti was just trying to help a somebody being assaulted by ICE agents?

It is creating a very false narrative!

Pretti was there because ICE was there. Pretti is allowed to be there, he is allowed to have a voice. What isn't allowed if for ICE to force an engagement with a person who has retreated and was starting to tend to a woman that was needlessly assaulted by ICE. It was that point that the ICE thugs started beating Pretti. They murdered a fucking nurse, one of the most important and caring jobs that exists.

Not just a nurse but a VA nurse who worked in the ICU, Mr Pretti was a federal employee, so doesn’t that make his execution an act of domestic terrorism by domestic terrorists?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

The punishment for breaking a tail light isn't execution, am I missing something?

 

[laughing dog]

The punishment for breaking a tail light isn't execution, am I missing something?

Yes. Mr Pretti wrote “bloom” in caps once which contains the letters B,L, and M in sequence. You know what THAT signifies!!!!

 

[Gospel]

There will be no investigation of Pretti's murder.

Why would there not be an investigation? It is screaming for an investigation.
Can not a coroner or similar official launch one?

DHS

 

[Gospel]

New videos show altercation between Alex Pretti and federal agents the week before his death

He kicked the tail light off an ice vehicle several days before the deadly encounter.
That does not mean that the shooting was justified, of course, but it relativizes the narrative that has taken hold that he was just trying to help somebody being hassled by ICE. Instead, he seems to have been involved in anti-ICE activism, and not as a peaceful protester either.

So not only did ICE agents fail to arrest a non-peaceful protester for a first altercation, they failed fantastically to arrest the same non-peaceful protester in a second altercation. I recall hearing complaints about the justice system “just letting people go.” You’ve talked about that a lot, does this situation count?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So not only did ICE agents fail to arrest a non-peaceful protester for a first altercation, ...

Just as an aside... the reason they did not arrest him was probably because if they did, it would have been discovered he had a broken rib. They had decided to administer justice for the taillight by beating the crap out of him and then running away.

And so far as the taillight goes, ..., apparently Pretti was angry because earlier there was a family walking around being stalked (and/or chased) by agents.

I could ask whatever happened to warrants, probable cause, law and order, and protected rights, but we seem to have moved past that era.

 

[Elixir]

This is the weaponization of government functions.

IOW business as usual for the fascist regime.

 

[Gospel]

This is the weaponization of government functions.

DHS and ICE’s immediate public characterization of the Alex Pretti incident, including senior officials saying his presence and firearm suggested he intended to ‘do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement’ before any of the available evidence was released, makes it easy for me to understand why critics say the agency has been weaponized.

At the same time, some Fox News coverage framed protesters organizing through messaging apps as if that coordination itself were evidence of a terrorist-style network, implying that digital organizing somehow falls outside the constitutional protection of assembly. That’s a major leap, and it treats modern communication tools as suspicious rather than as an update to how people plan a protest by phone or in person.

While I personally don’t agree with people mobilizing spontaneously to locate ICE and protest on short notice, I don’t see anything inherently wrong with it. Whether a protest is lawful depends on how local laws govern public demonstrations and permits. I disagree with anyone who uses violence during protests, because that ultimately harms the people the protests are intended to help.