Immigration Issues

[Jimmy Higgins]

I have never said Pretti's shooting was justified, nor do I even remotely think that Pretti's shooting was justified.

I'll just leave it there.

 

[crazyfingers]

Local groups sue ICE over policy on warrantless home entries

Several Boston-area immigrant-advocacy organizations sued the federal government on Friday, seeking to halt immigration-enforcement authorities’ new stated practice of forcibly entering peoples’ homes without a judicial warrant.

“The Fourth Amendment exists precisely to prevent government agents from breaking into people’s homes without any judicial process or oversight,” attorney Brooke Simone of Lawyers for Civil Rights, which filed the lawsuit in federal court in Boston, said in a statement. “ICE’s policy is a direct assault on these core constitutional principles and undermines our privacy, safety, and dignity. It puts everyone at risk.”

Local groups sue ICE over policy on warrantless home entries - The Boston Globe

Advocates say an ICE policy on home entry collides with constitutional protections against search and seizure.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[crazyfingers]

More power to the thugs

ICE Expands Power of Agents to Arrest People Without Warrants​

An internal memo changed the standard from whether people are unlikely to show up for hearings to whether they could leave the scene.

Amid tensions over President Trump’s immigration crackdown in Minnesota and beyond, federal agents were told this week that they have broader power to arrest people without a warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo reviewed by The New York Times.

The change expands the ability of lower-level ICE agents to carry out sweeps rounding up people they encounter and suspect are undocumented immigrants, rather than targeted enforcement operations in which they set out, warrant in hand, to arrest a specific person.

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ICE Expands Power of Agents to Arrest People Without Warrants

An internal memo changed the standard from whether people are unlikely to show up for hearings to whether they could leave the scene.

www.nytimes.com

Yes, just sweep though a neighborhood and snatch anyone who the Thug believes to be illegally in the country. Where's the guidance on actually looking at passports and immigration papers?

What about all those people who have done everything legally?

I predict a whole lot more legal immigrants, green card holds, citizens will be thrown to the ground, kicked, beaten, flown off to Louisiana before the Thug even considers looking at documents.

 

[Jarhyn]

Post 934 is not my post.

I mean, you teed it up for me so,

Ok, so no weasely words then.

I didn't say it was your post. That post nicely quotes examples of you using weasel words:

From Google on what 'weasel words' do:
2. Avoid responsibility
"mistakes were made"
"but if true"
"bad decision with devastating consequences"
4. Soften or obscure meaning:
"inserted himself"
"seems like an activist agitator"
"in this tragedy"

Good grief, there is nothing weasel about it. You just don’t like that Pretti bears some responsibility in his own demise.

Holy fuck man. Pretti would have held some responsibility in his arrest for obstructing justice. Not in his summary execution. Absolutely nothing that Pretti did could be deemed responsible for his murder.

Yea, it's just a super bizarre argument. An accused child molester doesn't deserve summary execution.

Look at that, TSwizzle thinks that summary executions are the sort of thing you just roll your eyes at when someone says they are wrong.

 

[Jarhyn]

More power to the thugs

ICE Expands Power of Agents to Arrest People Without Warrants​

An internal memo changed the standard from whether people are unlikely to show up for hearings to whether they could leave the scene.

Amid tensions over President Trump’s immigration crackdown in Minnesota and beyond, federal agents were told this week that they have broader power to arrest people without a warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo reviewed by The New York Times.

The change expands the ability of lower-level ICE agents to carry out sweeps rounding up people they encounter and suspect are undocumented immigrants, rather than targeted enforcement operations in which they set out, warrant in hand, to arrest a specific person.

....

ICE Expands Power of Agents to Arrest People Without Warrants

An internal memo changed the standard from whether people are unlikely to show up for hearings to whether they could leave the scene.

www.nytimes.com

Yes, just sweep though a neighborhood and snatch anyone who the Thug believes to be illegally in the country. Where's the guidance on actually looking at passports and immigration papers?

What about all those people who have done everything legally?

I predict a whole lot more legal immigrants, green card holds, citizens will be thrown to the ground, kicked, beaten, flown off to Louisiana before the Thug even considers looking at documents.

I mean, right now, me and a bunch of people I work with are worried as hell about a coworker who was picked up. Nobody even knows where he is, despite a court order for his immediate return to Minnesota.

All his documents were in order, he was following all legal process, and his work authorization is up to date.

Predict? It's already happened.

I'm worried that the person who comes back won't even be the same person who left. This kind of thing changes people.

 

[unapologetic]

What's your point, "Trump said it; I believe it; that settles it."? Trump's an idiot. Why on earth would you assume he knows what "internment camp" means?

It goes to show intent. Rump intends places like Alligator Oubliette to be "internment camps".

his lawlessness is not pertinent to the question actually in dispute between us.

Rump's and ICE's injustice and lawlesness is exactly the issue here.

Duh. From this you can reasonably conclude that Trump is a bad man. So what? How the heck is that evidence that the people in AA were in the U.S. legally?

Without Due Process where is the evidense they were in the US illegally?

It's not Wikipedia's job to opine whether they're legal or not;

So Wikipedia's wright-up is irrelevant. YOU brought it up.

If you need to be taught what the Nazis did,

Ya don't need to do EVERY single thing Nazis did, in order to earn the name.

he isn't issued a criminal conviction at the border. So why would his having no criminal conviction have any bearing on whether he entered illegally?

Without a conviction You can't be punished for it. Like it didn't happen. You need Due Process to earn the conviction. You need to PROVE he entered illegaly. The question is, does his method of entry have any bearing on his treatment under the law?

if it makes AA a concentration camp it makes Rikers Island a concentration camp.

Is Rikers a jail (temp holdtng till trial), or a prison (result of convtction)? Alligator Oubliette is neither.

You've also shifted the goal posts,

How so?

 

[Elixir]

It's not Wikipedia's job to opine whether they're legal or not;

At the end of the day it’s the SCOTUS that opines such things. Or maybe at the end of tomorrow. Or at the end of next year. Or at end of the billionaires’ authoritarian rainbow.

 

[TSwizzle]

Chaos in downtown Los Angeles as organized antifa types kick off

Chaotic scenes unfolded on Friday night in Los Angeles as protesters carrying Mexican and American flags clashed with police while demonstrating against Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids. One dramatic image depicted a protester striking an officer's shield with a skateboard. As the night continued, the LAPD arrested 'violent agitators' who were allegedly 'fighting with officers,' one of whom was accused of 'using a sling shot to shoot hard metal objects at officers who were standing on the line.'

Daily Mail

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I didn't read the article, but opened the link and searched for the word antifa. I could not find it.

 

[Elixir]

Chaos in downtown Los Angeles as organized antifa types kick off

Chaotic scenes unfolded on Friday night in Los Angeles as protesters carrying Mexican and American flags clashed with police while demonstrating against Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids. One dramatic image depicted a protester striking an officer's shield with a skateboard. As the night continued, the LAPD arrested 'violent agitators' who were allegedly 'fighting with officers,' one of whom was accused of 'using a sling shot to shoot hard metal objects at officers who were standing on the line.'

Daily Mail

Any more evidence that these people were “Antifa” than there is evidence that ICE thugs are really ICE? I suspect someone said something mean about fascists.

 

[Bomb#20]

do you seriously think the people that iCE arrests who are here legally, know that it’s here because the government thinks they’re in the country illegally? I think such people know it’s because ICE has arrest quotas ...

48,377 out of 65,735—or 73.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of November 30, 2025. Many of those convicted committed only minor offenses, including traffic violations.

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

No doubt; but I'm not clear on what you think it has to do with the dispute you're commenting on. When a Guatemalan citizen crosses into the U.S. without permission he isn't issued a criminal conviction at the border. So why would his having no criminal conviction have any bearing on whether he entered illegally?

Two reasons. Trump said the effort would concentrate on the violent murderers, rapists, and gang members. This is proof he lied.

What's your point? Trump lies so often God uses Trump's lie-counter as a ceiling fan. So what? If Trump is concentrating on generic illegal immigrants even though he lied and said he'd focus on violent ones, how does that have any bearing on whether they entered illegally?

Second, It directly addresses Elixir's first question above.

How? How does their lack of criminal convictions imply the government doesn't think they're here illegally? That's a non sequitur.

In any event, it's not clear what Elixir's question had to do with the dispute either. In order for his question to have been relevant, the subset of arrestees he focused on would have to be a large fraction of the total, and not even he is claiming they are.

ICE is arresting and deporting many who are here legally for no reason.

How many is many? They've deported 600,000 people, last I saw. If 0.1% were here legally and were deported for no reason that would be 600, which is certainly "many", but it would still be a 99.9% accuracy rate, which would indicate the government is pretty solidly focused on people it thinks are here illegally or abused U.S. hospitality. So what fraction are you claiming were arrested and deported for no reason?

Do keep up, please.

Right back at ya.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

do you seriously think the people that iCE arrests who are here legally, know that it’s here because the government thinks they’re in the country illegally? I think such people know it’s because ICE has arrest quotas ...

48,377 out of 65,735—or 73.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of November 30, 2025. Many of those convicted committed only minor offenses, including traffic violations.

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

No doubt; but I'm not clear on what you think it has to do with the dispute you're commenting on. When a Guatemalan citizen crosses into the U.S. without permission he isn't issued a criminal conviction at the border. So why would his having no criminal conviction have any bearing on whether he entered illegally?

Two reasons. Trump said the effort would concentrate on the violent murderers, rapists, and gang members. This is proof he lied.

What's your point? Trump lies so often God uses Trump's lie-counter as a ceiling fan. So what? If Trump is concentrating on generic illegal immigrants even though he lied and said he'd focus on violent ones, how does that have any bearing on whether they entered illegally?

Why should we trust the government's claims about the legal status of the immigrants they're rounding up when we know they lie? Simple question. You don't have an honest answer though.

 

[crazyfingers]

do you seriously think the people that iCE arrests who are here legally, know that it’s here because the government thinks they’re in the country illegally? I think such people know it’s because ICE has arrest quotas ...

48,377 out of 65,735—or 73.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of November 30, 2025. Many of those convicted committed only minor offenses, including traffic violations.

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

No doubt; but I'm not clear on what you think it has to do with the dispute you're commenting on. When a Guatemalan citizen crosses into the U.S. without permission he isn't issued a criminal conviction at the border. So why would his having no criminal conviction have any bearing on whether he entered illegally?

Two reasons. Trump said the effort would concentrate on the violent murderers, rapists, and gang members. This is proof he lied.

What's your point? Trump lies so often God uses Trump's lie-counter as a ceiling fan. So what? If Trump is concentrating on generic illegal immigrants even though he lied and said he'd focus on violent ones, how does that have any bearing on whether they entered illegally?

Why should we trust the government's claims about the legal status of the immigrants they're rounding up when we know they lie? Simple question. You don't have an honest answer though.

That's the thing. They lie to justify being domestic terrorists. What they are achieving in no way justifies the methods. They are terrorizing whole cities, Immigrants and citizens alike. They are violating the 4th Amendment and the First Amendment. They are beating up civil rights under the Constitution. They are killing citizens.

5% of the people that they've rounded up have violent crime convictions. 73% have no conviction of any kind. And of the 27% with a conviction, 6% and 5% are Traffic and Immigration. 11% of the 26%, (42% of the 26%). Traffic and Immigration = Civil offenses.

https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions

They are doing great harm and great evil for a lie.

 

[ZiprHead]

do you seriously think the people that iCE arrests who are here legally, know that it’s here because the government thinks they’re in the country illegally? I think such people know it’s because ICE has arrest quotas ...

48,377 out of 65,735—or 73.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of November 30, 2025. Many of those convicted committed only minor offenses, including traffic violations.

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

No doubt; but I'm not clear on what you think it has to do with the dispute you're commenting on. When a Guatemalan citizen crosses into the U.S. without permission he isn't issued a criminal conviction at the border. So why would his having no criminal conviction have any bearing on whether he entered illegally?

Two reasons. Trump said the effort would concentrate on the violent murderers, rapists, and gang members. This is proof he lied.

What's your point? Trump lies so often God uses Trump's lie-counter as a ceiling fan. So what? If Trump is concentrating on generic illegal immigrants even though he lied and said he'd focus on violent ones, how does that have any bearing on whether they entered illegally?

Second, It directly addresses Elixir's first question above.

How? How does their lack of criminal convictions imply the government doesn't think they're here illegally? That's a non sequitur.

In any event, it's not clear what Elixir's question had to do with the dispute either. In order for his question to have been relevant, the subset of arrestees he focused on would have to be a large fraction of the total, and not even he is claiming they are.

ICE is arresting and deporting many who are here legally for no reason.

How many is many? They've deported 600,000 people, last I saw. If 0.1% were here legally and were deported for no reason that would be 600, which is certainly "many", but it would still be a 99.9% accuracy rate, which would indicate the government is pretty solidly focused on people it thinks are here illegally or abused U.S. hospitality. So what fraction are you claiming were arrested and deported for no reason?

Do keep up, please.

Right back at ya.

Sorry. No. I will not play your semantic games. Goodbye.

 

[Toni]

do you seriously think the people that iCE arrests who are here legally, know that it’s here because the government thinks they’re in the country illegally? I think such people know it’s because ICE has arrest quotas ...

48,377 out of 65,735—or 73.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of November 30, 2025. Many of those convicted committed only minor offenses, including traffic violations.

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

No doubt; but I'm not clear on what you think it has to do with the dispute you're commenting on. When a Guatemalan citizen crosses into the U.S. without permission he isn't issued a criminal conviction at the border. So why would his having no criminal conviction have any bearing on whether he entered illegally?

Two reasons. Trump said the effort would concentrate on the violent murderers, rapists, and gang members. This is proof he lied.

What's your point? Trump lies so often God uses Trump's lie-counter as a ceiling fan. So what? If Trump is concentrating on generic illegal immigrants even though he lied and said he'd focus on violent ones, how does that have any bearing on whether they entered illegally?

Why should we trust the government's claims about the legal status of the immigrants they're rounding up when we know they lie? Simple question. You don't have an honest answer though.

That's the thing. They lie to justify being domestic terrorists. What they are achieving in no way justifies the methods. They are terrorizing whole cities, Immigrants and citizens alike. They are violating the 4th Amendment. They are beating up civil rights under the Constitution. They are killing citizens.

5% of the people that they've rounded up have violent crime convictions. 73% have no conviction of any kind. And of the 27% with a conviction, 6% and 5% are Traffic and Immigration. 11% of the 26%, (42% of the 26%). Traffic and Immigration = Civil offenses.

https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions

They are doing great harm and great evil for a lie.

They are. Not only are they terrorizing anyone who is not white enough, they are terrorizing everyone in the city and nearby area. The stress they are causing is incalculable—worse by far because of the murders and the kidnapping of a small child.

They are also setting the stage for a complete rejection of the GOP. For decades to come.

 

[crazyfingers]

They are also setting the stage for a complete rejection of the GOP. For decades to come.

Hi hope. The current GOP are terrorists or collaborators.

 

[blastula]

Federal judge orders release of detained father, 5-year-old son held at Dilley facility

A federal judge ordered the release of a father and his 5-year-old son who were being held at an immigration detention center in Dilley, Texas.

news4sanantonio.com

In his decision, the judge said everyone in the United States has basic rights, including the right to fair treatment by the government. He said those rights apply even to people who are not U.S. citizens and even when immigration laws are being enforced.

"Observing human behavior confirms that for some among us, the perfidious lust for unbridled power and the imposition of cruelty in its quest know no bounds and are bereft of human decency. And the rule of law be damned," says the court document.

Judge's Order

 

[Elixir]

They are also setting the stage for a complete rejection of the GOP. For decades to come.

Hi hope. The current GOP are terrorists or collaborators.

Absolutely. Terrorists, traitors, fascistic authoritarians, violent insurrectionist morons and greed/driven opportunists.

 

[crazyfingers]

"Observing human behavior confirms that for some among us, the perfidious (deceitful and untrustworthy) lust for unbridled power and the imposition of cruelty in its quest know no bounds and are bereft of human decency. And the rule of law be damned,"

That's a pretty good description of the Trump regime.

 

[Bomb#20]

What's your point? Trump lies so often God uses Trump's lie-counter as a ceiling fan. So what? If Trump is concentrating on generic illegal immigrants even though he lied and said he'd focus on violent ones, how does that have any bearing on whether they entered illegally?

Why should we trust the government's claims about the legal status of the immigrants they're rounding up when we know they lie? Simple question. You don't have an honest answer though.

Why do you beat your wife? Simple question. You don't have an honest answer though.[/sarcasm]

Serious question: why do you trump up false, baseless damaging accusations with malice and reckless disregard for the truth against other posters?

Now, here's the honest answer to the wife-beating question you asked me. Your question assumed facts not in evidence. We should not trust the government's claims about the legal status of the immigrants they're rounding up. Where the hell do you imagine you saw me say we should?