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Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

FDR the patron saint of progressives.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s 1937 "
court-packing" plan was a failed legislative initiative to expand the U.S. Supreme Court by adding up to six new justices, aiming to overcome judicial opposition to his New Deal programs. Officially titled the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937, it proposed that the president could appoint a new justice for every sitting justice over 70 who refused to retire. The Senate rejected the plan, which was widely criticized as an attempt to undermine judicial independence, although the Court soon began upholding New Deal legislation.

 
GOP introduced bill to tax 100% of earnings from athletes competing for countries other than the US.
 
FDR the patron saint of progressives.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s 1937 "
court-packing" plan was a failed legislative initiative to expand the U.S. Supreme Court by adding up to six new justices, aiming to overcome judicial opposition to his New Deal programs. Officially titled the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937, it proposed that the president could appoint a new justice for every sitting justice over 70 who refused to retire. The Senate rejected the plan, which was widely criticized as an attempt to undermine judicial independence, although the Court soon began upholding New Deal legislation.

Is there a relevant reason for bringing up FDR in a thread about current movement towards fascism/authoritarianism?
 
FDR the patron saint of progressives.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s 1937 "
court-packing" plan was a failed legislative initiative to expand the U.S. Supreme Court by adding up to six new justices, aiming to overcome judicial opposition to his New Deal programs. Officially titled the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937, it proposed that the president could appoint a new justice for every sitting justice over 70 who refused to retire. The Senate rejected the plan, which was widely criticized as an attempt to undermine judicial independence, although the Court soon began upholding New Deal legislation.

Is there a relevant reason for bringing up FDR in a thread about current movement towards fascism/authoritarianism?

Trump is more blatant and aggressive, but he is not new as a 'threat to democracy'.

We have been a plutocracy from the founding.

The president was to be elected by the Electoral College by electors who were landowners and business owners, not by ordinary citizens. They did not want a populist like Trump.

People use the words fascist, oligarchy, and plutocracy without underthings.

Big business has political induce, but economic decisions are disturbed throughout the economy based in large part on supply and demand.

The government and business leaders at he top actuality have a lot less power over the economy than people think.


It is a stretch to call us fascist. States have a high degree of autonomy despite Trump's attempts to intimidate and control. The courts sometimes support Trump and sometimes not as it should be. The SCOTUS ruling on tariffs was a major blow to Trump.

A plutocracy is a society governed by the wealthy, where economic power translates directly into political influence. Historically, this included the Roman Empire, Venetian Republic, and pre-WWII Japan. Modern examples often cited by critics due to high wealth inequality and corporate influence include the United States, Russia, and the City of London.

Oligarchies today are systems where a small, wealthy, or powerful elite dominates political and economic decisions. Prominent examples include Russia (wealthy business leaders controlling state power), China (upper-echelon Party members and tycoons), and Iran (interconnected clerical, military, and business elites)
. Other examples include the Philippines, and, by some analysis, the United States due to extreme economic inequality influencing policy.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology that emerged in early 20th-century Europe, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and the subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race
. It promotes a centralized state, militarism, and a cult of personality around a leader who promises national rejuvenation.
 
FDR the patron saint of progressives.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s 1937 "
court-packing" plan was a failed legislative initiative to expand the U.S. Supreme Court by adding up to six new justices, aiming to overcome judicial opposition to his New Deal programs. Officially titled the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937, it proposed that the president could appoint a new justice for every sitting justice over 70 who refused to retire. The Senate rejected the plan, which was widely criticized as an attempt to undermine judicial independence, although the Court soon began upholding New Deal legislation.

Is there a relevant reason for bringing up FDR in a thread about current movement towards fascism/authoritarianism?

Trump is more blatant and aggressive, but he is not new as a 'threat to democracy'.

We have been a plutocracy from the founding.

The president was to be elected by the Electoral College by electors who were landowners and business owners, not by ordinary citizens. They did not want a populist like Trump.

People use the words fascist, oligarchy, and plutocracy without underthings.

Big business has political induce, but economic decisions are disturbed throughout the economy based in large part on supply and demand.

The government and business leaders at he top actuality have a lot less power over the economy than people think.


It is a stretch to call us fascist. States have a high degree of autonomy despite Trump's attempts to intimidate and control. The courts sometimes support Trump and sometimes not as it should be. The SCOTUS ruling on tariffs was a major blow to Trump.

A plutocracy is a society governed by the wealthy, where economic power translates directly into political influence. Historically, this included the Roman Empire, Venetian Republic, and pre-WWII Japan. Modern examples often cited by critics due to high wealth inequality and corporate influence include the United States, Russia, and the City of London.

Oligarchies today are systems where a small, wealthy, or powerful elite dominates political and economic decisions. Prominent examples include Russia (wealthy business leaders controlling state power), China (upper-echelon Party members and tycoons), and Iran (interconnected clerical, military, and business elites)
. Other examples include the Philippines, and, by some analysis, the United States due to extreme economic inequality influencing policy.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology that emerged in early 20th-century Europe, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and the subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race
. It promotes a centralized state, militarism, and a cult of personality around a leader who promises national rejuvenation.
You didn’t answer my question about the relevancy of bringing up FDR.

BTW, your last quote in that response suggests we are on the way to fascism, if not there.
 
BTW, your last quote in that response suggests we are on the way to fascism, if not there.
The blasé “same old same old” mantra is the recipe for fascism upon which Trump and his sycophants are now relying.
I hope Steve is less complicit than complacent.
 
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology that emerged in early 20th-century Europe, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and the subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race
. It promotes a centralized state, militarism, and a cult of personality around a leader who promises national rejuvenation.
Yes.
That does answer the question "are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?"
The answer is: Yes We Are.
 
Here's a funny. It's an interivew with Oswald Mosley on BBC in 1975. Notice how he talks exactly like Trump. If you know anything about the rally's Mosley is talking about he's just talking shit. These were tiny rally's. He's going on about how they were the biggest in UK history. Everything in this interview screams Trumpisms.

 
Here's a funny. It's an interivew with Oswald Mosley on BBC in 1975. Notice how he talks exactly like Trump. If you know anything about the rally's Mosley is talking about he's just talking shit. These were tiny rally's. He's going on about how they were the biggest in UK history. Everything in this interview screams Trumpisms.
The notable difference is that Trump can only communicate in hyperbole. Think of it like Tamarians, but instead of using metaphor, they can only use hyperbole.
Tamarian said:
Tanagra on the ocean, it is the biggest ocean, the bluest ocean. Everyone talks about that ocean and how Darmok was at Tanagra. He and Jalad faced the biggest monster you ever saw. They didn't like each other Jalad and Darmok, they hated each other like could never be described. It would have been the greatest disaster, but Jalad and Darmok teamed up like no one has ever teamed up before and they defeated that beast, that yuge beast.
 
Here's a funny. It's an interivew with Oswald Mosley on BBC in 1975. Notice how he talks exactly like Trump. If you know anything about the rally's Mosley is talking about he's just talking shit. These were tiny rally's. He's going on about how they were the biggest in UK history. Everything in this interview screams Trumpisms.
The notable difference is that Trump can only communicate in hyperbole. Think of it like Tamarians, but instead of using metaphor, they can only use hyperbole.
Tamarian said:
Tanagra on the ocean, it is the biggest ocean, the bluest ocean. Everyone talks about that ocean and how Darmok was at Tanagra. He and Jalad faced the biggest monster you ever saw. They didn't like each other Jalad and Darmok, they hated each other like could never be described. It would have been the greatest disaster, but Jalad and Darmok teamed up like no one has ever teamed up before and they defeated that beast, that yuge beast.

I don't know how the story of Darmok and Jalad relates but here is a gratuitous photo.

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FDR the patron saint of progressives.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s 1937 "
court-packing" plan was a failed legislative initiative to expand the U.S. Supreme Court by adding up to six new justices, aiming to overcome judicial opposition to his New Deal programs. Officially titled the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937, it proposed that the president could appoint a new justice for every sitting justice over 70 who refused to retire. The Senate rejected the plan, which was widely criticized as an attempt to undermine judicial independence, although the Court soon began upholding New Deal legislation.

Is there a relevant reason for bringing up FDR in a thread about current movement towards fascism/authoritarianism?
I mean the whole Japanese internment thing is pretty relevant. But I would argue we need more court packing. Just not in the insane right winger direction. I would argue to abolish the Supreme Court altogether, but that's more of an ideal goal than what realistically could happen long term.
 
Trump is more blatant and aggressive, but he is not new as a 'threat to democracy'.
Oh really?
Who else mustered an army of thugs to attempt to overthrow the results of a free and fair election by force?
Who else has condemned the Supreme Court, including their own nominees, for correctly ruling that their actions were unconstitutional?
What other president else has suggested suspending elections, or taking over elections so they can be run by THEIR Federal government?
What other president has threatened to silence or execute reporters, political opponents and media that were critical of the President?
What other president has falsely claimed that their opponents were cheating while they were doing the cheating?
What other president has acted to help their billionaire supporters gain control of all the news media?
WHAT OTHER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ACTING AS A RUSSIAN ASSET IN 100% OF THEIR ACTIONS, TRYING TO DESTROY THE US GOVERNMENT, AND TAKE US OUT OF NATO WHILE SUPPORTING DICTATORSHIPS?

This is ABSOLUTELY "new as a threat to democracy" no matter how much Trump apologetics you spew.
 
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Here's a funny. It's an interivew with Oswald Mosley on BBC in 1975. Notice how he talks exactly like Trump. If you know anything about the rally's Mosley is talking about he's just talking shit. These were tiny rally's. He's going on about how they were the biggest in UK history. Everything in this interview screams Trumpisms.
The notable difference is that Trump can only communicate in hyperbole. Think of it like Tamarians, but instead of using metaphor, they can only use hyperbole.

And Mosley isn't? Don't be fooled by his poshness. There's nothing restrained about Mosley. It's just an act. Mosley had a shot early in his career to become a conservative MP. But chose, in a dramatic way, to switch to Labour, which was a tried and tested method for aristocrats to get lots of love and attention. Predictably, he quickly ran out of love within Labour and then started his various populist parties, and finally fascists. At every turn it was all about getting more attention, but with an ever shrinking fanbase. Until he became a freak.

I'd say the men are remarkably similar. The main difference is that the Brits were smart enough not to vote for the man. Which was probably more luck than skill, by the Brits.



Tamarian said:
Tanagra on the ocean, it is the biggest ocean, the bluest ocean. Everyone talks about that ocean and how Darmok was at Tanagra. He and Jalad faced the biggest monster you ever saw. They didn't like each other Jalad and Darmok, they hated each other like could never be described. It would have been the greatest disaster, but Jalad and Darmok teamed up like no one has ever teamed up before and they defeated that beast, that yuge beast.

:) Exactly like that
 
Meanwhile in the steps to the death of our democracy...
article said:
The Justice Department filed an appeal late Tuesday night of a magistrate judge’s order in Virginia that blocked federal officials from searching a Washington Post reporter’s electronic devices as part of a leak investigation.

Federal prosecutors argued in the appeal that applying for a warrant and executing a search are core functions of the executive branch. They said the judge’s order for the court to conduct the search violates the Constitution’s separation of powers and that journalists are not protected from searches when the government fears they could possess sensitive government materials.
It can not be stressed, how bad the argument being made by the Trump Administration is for our Constitution. They are arguing, not effectively but actually, that the Courts do not have the power to oversee the actions of the Executive Branch.

The Court is effectively saying the Government can not do the search themselves and that the court would do so. The Privacy Protection Act (1980) provides unique protections to reporters.
 
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