Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ffs, I cannot be the only person with a FB acct or who knows how to use Google:

Not looking for Democrats saying the stuff exists. Jarhyn said the Democrats had seen and were reporting on the media the DoJ had.

 

[Jarhyn]

Ffs, I cannot be the only person with a FB acct or who knows how to use Google:

Not looking for Democrats saying the stuff exists. Jarhyn said the Democrats had seen and were reporting on the media the DoJ had.

And they had. I don't see why this is so hard for you to just say "Jarhyn was right".

I have seen C-SPAN footage of Dems saying the actual contents of the unredacted files have Trump all over them, and that they contain damning evidence and stuff far worse than the public has been shown.

Democrats saying the stuff exists IS them saying they have seen it and IS the report of it.

Quit playing as if nobody reputable is vouching for the unredacted files containing such horror.

 

[thebeave]

There’s this:

View attachment 53775

Its all crap. But I doubt it will dissuade you from believing what you want to believe is true.

Did Trump Pay $35M to Settle Child Rape Claims Against Him?

Information about the six entries listed after Johnson in this meme -- children ranging from ages 10 to 13 who were supposedly raped by Trump but paid off by Trump's "fixer" to remain silent -- all stem from a single source: a Jan. 14-15, 2019, post from the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR), a blog published by a notorious conspiracy monger who has been described as an "Utterly deranged nutter with a mind unclouded by facts, evidence, or reason, who at least lets his bigotry shine through rather clearly in his ravings about world politics":​

 

[Toni]

There’s this:

View attachment 53775

Its all crap. But I doubt it will dissuade you from believing what you want to believe is true.

Did Trump Pay $35M to Settle Child Rape Claims Against Him?

Information about the six entries listed after Johnson in this meme -- children ranging from ages 10 to 13 who were supposedly raped by Trump but paid off by Trump's "fixer" to remain silent -- all stem from a single source: a Jan. 14-15, 2019, post from the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR), a blog published by a notorious conspiracy monger who has been described as an "Utterly deranged nutter with a mind unclouded by facts, evidence, or reason, who at least lets his bigotry shine through rather clearly in his ravings about world politics":​

I admit that I found it stunning to believe that Trump actually paid anyone off. Paying us t his thing.

Lieu has seen images, read the files.

I’d much rather believe that there is no one so deprived as to do even a small portion of what I’ve read from the files, but unfortunately, it was real. And it makes sense. What better way to bend important people to your will?

 

[Toni]

Ffs, I cannot be the only person with a FB acct or who knows how to use Google:

Not looking for Democrats saying the stuff exists. Jarhyn said the Democrats had seen and were reporting on the media the DoJ had.

Ted Lieu. He’s been on record.

 

[Toni]

And why is t the testimony of many women sufficient?

Because it isn't enough to convict, at least the accusation. If additional information can be provided that helps demonstrate the case, that helps, but a lot of this is simply accusatory and the guys who are being accused will deny it. So much time has passed in these cases. There are no rape kits, no physical evidence. So you need to place this person with the accused, which could be possible. But then the defense is, it wasn't me who did it.

Think of it like getting a mob boss. There are crimes clearly being committed, but convicting on those crimes, particularly the up aboves, is ridiculously hard. You need someone to talk. With any luck, Prince Andrew will talk.

Yup. You need credible witnesses. Unfortunately, his victims tend not to be very credible--abusers select for whether they think someone would make a good witness against them. The reality is that there will always be people after a buck who will make false allegations against the rich, you need witnesses that do not look like them. You need witnesses that give testimony they couldn't get from the newspaper.

And, unfortunately, you have the same problem you have with the mob bosses--when you get the underling to testify against the boss there's always the suspicion that they're making things up to reduce their own punishment, either because they don't actually have useful evidence or they are too afraid to actually testify against their boss. Happens all too often with drug cases--the cops flip an underling, he flips his boss, boss has nobody they can flip so they make things up.

People have been contacting authorities about violence towards minors for 30 years!

I'd say one of the biggest unaddressed crimes was the sweet deal in Florida that Epstein received. And if it weren't for the press, Miami Herald, we wouldn't even have this thread.

I'm thinking it was a deal done because they had a witness that either didn't want to testify or who would look bad on the stand. Pleas way below what the crime warrants may be corruption, or they may be a case that would likely be lost at trial.

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

 

[Jarhyn]

And why is t the testimony of many women sufficient?

Because it isn't enough to convict, at least the accusation. If additional information can be provided that helps demonstrate the case, that helps, but a lot of this is simply accusatory and the guys who are being accused will deny it. So much time has passed in these cases. There are no rape kits, no physical evidence. So you need to place this person with the accused, which could be possible. But then the defense is, it wasn't me who did it.

Think of it like getting a mob boss. There are crimes clearly being committed, but convicting on those crimes, particularly the up aboves, is ridiculously hard. You need someone to talk. With any luck, Prince Andrew will talk.

Yup. You need credible witnesses. Unfortunately, his victims tend not to be very credible--abusers select for whether they think someone would make a good witness against them. The reality is that there will always be people after a buck who will make false allegations against the rich, you need witnesses that do not look like them. You need witnesses that give testimony they couldn't get from the newspaper.

And, unfortunately, you have the same problem you have with the mob bosses--when you get the underling to testify against the boss there's always the suspicion that they're making things up to reduce their own punishment, either because they don't actually have useful evidence or they are too afraid to actually testify against their boss. Happens all too often with drug cases--the cops flip an underling, he flips his boss, boss has nobody they can flip so they make things up.

People have been contacting authorities about violence towards minors for 30 years!

I'd say one of the biggest unaddressed crimes was the sweet deal in Florida that Epstein received. And if it weren't for the press, Miami Herald, we wouldn't even have this thread.

I'm thinking it was a deal done because they had a witness that either didn't want to testify or who would look bad on the stand. Pleas way below what the crime warrants may be corruption, or they may be a case that would likely be lost at trial.

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

I mean, my normal pattern is to look at the headline posted, read the comments, and look for two things: a post containing some manner of article text, and a post both supporting and attacking the article in various ways.

I will read the post supporting the article, and the one attacking it, and see what grounds it's being attacked or supported on, as well as any additional interest posts people have added due to their attachment to the subject.

Sometimes the top level post is a collation of other evidence and posts online, but usually I take these with a grain of salt; I'll look for the counterpoint and also read that.

When I am done reading those things, I make an assessment based first on the structure of the most appreciated responses: does the response contain character attacks, or does it contain strong counter-arguments and facts? Does it attempt to downplay rather than counter? Does it gloss over things entirely? Is it well researched? Are the sub-claims linked to reputable sources? Does someone respond to them as someone would with discussions of how or why this is misleading? Is it emotional?

Then once I have evaluated the discussion being had and the arguments being made, I form some kind of educated opinion and forget promptly about everything I read but the "bones" of the argument often reduced to "(some person who I don't care their name) said/did XYZ" and then I file that away as a fact along with a general notion of where I saw it.

If I start seeing a name often enough to remember it, I do more research into the name. If it's someone I've never seen or heard of before to any extent worth remembering, I generally tend not to care beyond the notable D or R.

Usually the fact ends up being something like "there are now molecular motors that people are experimenting with to physically shred cancer cells" or "Alzheimer's may have a component involving depletion of repair proteins rather than accumulation of materials, where accumulation is secondary to the depletion, and a distraction from the underlying cause."

I don't remember where I read these things because I don't care. I do these things to inform myself, not others; I would rather others do the things that inform themselves as I do, and I only talk about the information so others know there is work to do and information to find.

Further, I don't because it is 90% more work for the dubious benefit of citation, and I am horrible remembering arbitrary names and numbers or saving and indexing links. I'm not going to do it, but at the very least I am not going to be discussing facts I haven't been exposed to.

And I will repeat, I know for a fucking fact that not every amphetamine prescription is going to contain the same ratio of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine. Some "amphetamine" will contain more or less Dextro, and Adderall specifically contains a particular mixture of salts and yeah, it fucking makes a difference even if it is falsely claimed it does not.

At any rate, I just don't fucking care to do the copying and the pasting and all that other bullshit because it's not fucking worth my time.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

No, he hasn't. I'm struggling on finding these statements because they don't exist.

He (Lieu) added, “In those files, there’s highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.” Lieu encouraged reporters to review the allegations.

That is what Lieu said as of mid-February.

Video and photos exist. What is on them, who is on them regarding crimes being committed isn't certain for the public, It is being guarded. What seems the worst is that even if one video exists that includes these heinous crimes, someone should be on trial. Prince Andrew wasn't even arrested for crimes committed against an underaged female.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ffs, I cannot be the only person with a FB acct or who knows how to use Google:

Not looking for Democrats saying the stuff exists. Jarhyn said the Democrats had seen and were reporting on the media the DoJ had.

And they had. I don't see why this is so hard for you to just say "Jarhyn was right".

I have seen C-SPAN footage of Dems saying the actual contents of the unredacted files have Trump all over them, and that they contain damning evidence and stuff far worse than the public has been shown.

Democrats saying the stuff exists IS them saying they have seen it and IS the report of it.

Quit playing as if nobody reputable is vouching for the unredacted files containing such horror.

Great, now goalpost shifting. My statement was regarding the media. The files have Trump in them. There are allegations against Trump is them. I've seen that. Please, if you are going to respond to my posts, respond regarding the context of my posts, not merely trying to secure a win. An allegation on paper made in 2022 has a much different weight than a video or photos taken in the late 90s.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There’s this:

View attachment 53775

Its all crap. But I doubt it will dissuade you from believing what you want to believe is true.

Did Trump Pay $35M to Settle Child Rape Claims Against Him?

It is concerning how easily some on the left are allowing themselves to believe everything about Trump they see online. Part of the blame does fall on Trump in that he has broken Poe so badly, it is a laborious effort to fact check every wild claim, because they are very often absolutely true.

The DoJ has tried to hide the documents, is currently hiding documents, is currently covering up names they shouldn't in documents. There can be reasons other than self-preservation, but Trump generally doesn't operate on a level that cares about protecting anyone who isn't Donald Trump. This then leads to questions, what is Trump clearly hiding. That lets the imagination run.

 

[Toni]

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

No, he hasn't. I'm struggling on finding these statements because they don't exist.

He (Lieu) added, “In those files, there’s highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.” Lieu encouraged reporters to review the allegations.

That is what Lieu said as of mid-February.

Video and photos exist. What is on them, who is on them regarding crimes being committed isn't certain for the public, It is being guarded. What seems the worst is that even if one video exists that includes these heinous crimes, someone should be on trial. Prince Andrew wasn't even arrested for crimes committed against an underaged female.

And Andrew will never face such charges. No one cares about 13 year old girls.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

No, he hasn't. I'm struggling on finding these statements because they don't exist.

He (Lieu) added, “In those files, there’s highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.” Lieu encouraged reporters to review the allegations.

That is what Lieu said as of mid-February.

Video and photos exist. What is on them, who is on them regarding crimes being committed isn't certain for the public, It is being guarded. What seems the worst is that even if one video exists that includes these heinous crimes, someone should be on trial. Prince Andrew wasn't even arrested for crimes committed against an underaged female.

And Andrew will never face such charges. Men don't care No one cares about 13 year old girls females.

FIFY.

I do ponder about jurisdiction, but it looks like the island is a US territory in the US Virgin Islands. Trafficking can't have that short of a sundown on it. And certainly not sex trafficking of minors. The lack of any follow-through makes one wonder if this thing is even bigger than we can imagine. Bipartisan efforts to not move forward with the evidence in hand is deeply disturbing.

 

[Elixir]

The lack of any follow-through makes one wonder if this thing is even bigger than we can imagine.

Just occurring to you now?
Did you think Trump was capable of keeping this thing buried all by himself?
No, it involves all the scumbags, from Putin, Trump, Bin Salmon and Musk, down to bit players like Matty Gaetz. It is such a sprawling enterprise that Jeffrey may have been the only person aware of who most of the participants are/were.

 

[Jarhyn]

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

No, he hasn't. I'm struggling on finding these statements because they don't exist.

He (Lieu) added, “In those files, there’s highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.” Lieu encouraged reporters to review the allegations.

That is what Lieu said as of mid-February.

Video and photos exist. What is on them, who is on them regarding crimes being committed isn't certain for the public, It is being guarded. What seems the worst is that even if one video exists that includes these heinous crimes, someone should be on trial. Prince Andrew wasn't even arrested for crimes committed against an underaged female.

And Andrew will never face such charges. Men don't care No one cares about 13 year old girls females.

FIFY.

I do ponder about jurisdiction, but it looks like the island is a US territory in the US Virgin Islands. Trafficking can't have that short of a sundown on it. And certainly not sex trafficking of minors. The lack of any follow-through makes one wonder if this thing is even bigger than we can imagine. Bipartisan efforts to not move forward with the evidence in hand is deeply disturbing.

When was there ever just one company engaging in providing a service?

When has there not been economic competition.

When have there ever not been shareholders and investors?

Why would we just suddenly forget such people exist who back such efforts?

The most deeply disturbing part is, well... Epstein was a golden crown of yellow corn atop a single peak in a mountain range of shit.

The kernel has been plucked along with a few choice nuggets but most of that shit is still there needing to be shoveled, and the roots of those mountains of shit run deep.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

No, he hasn't. I'm struggling on finding these statements because they don't exist.

He (Lieu) added, “In those files, there’s highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.” Lieu encouraged reporters to review the allegations.

That is what Lieu said as of mid-February.

Video and photos exist. What is on them, who is on them regarding crimes being committed isn't certain for the public, It is being guarded. What seems the worst is that even if one video exists that includes these heinous crimes, someone should be on trial. Prince Andrew wasn't even arrested for crimes committed against an underaged female.

And Andrew will never face such charges. Men don't care No one cares about 13 year old girls females.

FIFY.

I do ponder about jurisdiction, but it looks like the island is a US territory in the US Virgin Islands. Trafficking can't have that short of a sundown on it. And certainly not sex trafficking of minors. The lack of any follow-through makes one wonder if this thing is even bigger than we can imagine. Bipartisan efforts to not move forward with the evidence in hand is deeply disturbing.

When was there ever just one company engaging in providing a service?

When has there not been economic competition.

When have there ever not been shareholders and investors?

Why would we just suddenly forget such people exist who back such efforts?

The most deeply disturbing part is, well... Epstein was a golden crown of yellow corn atop a single peak in a mountain range of shit.

The kernel has been plucked along with a few choice nuggets but most of that shit is still there needing to be shoveled, and the roots of those mountains of shit run deep.

Now you are just babbling. I seem to be the only person who bothered to find the truth about what Democrats have actually said.

 

[Jarhyn]

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

No, he hasn't. I'm struggling on finding these statements because they don't exist.

He (Lieu) added, “In those files, there’s highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.” Lieu encouraged reporters to review the allegations.

That is what Lieu said as of mid-February.

Video and photos exist. What is on them, who is on them regarding crimes being committed isn't certain for the public, It is being guarded. What seems the worst is that even if one video exists that includes these heinous crimes, someone should be on trial. Prince Andrew wasn't even arrested for crimes committed against an underaged female.

And Andrew will never face such charges. Men don't care No one cares about 13 year old girls females.

FIFY.

I do ponder about jurisdiction, but it looks like the island is a US territory in the US Virgin Islands. Trafficking can't have that short of a sundown on it. And certainly not sex trafficking of minors. The lack of any follow-through makes one wonder if this thing is even bigger than we can imagine. Bipartisan efforts to not move forward with the evidence in hand is deeply disturbing.

When was there ever just one company engaging in providing a service?

When has there not been economic competition.

When have there ever not been shareholders and investors?

Why would we just suddenly forget such people exist who back such efforts?

The most deeply disturbing part is, well... Epstein was a golden crown of yellow corn atop a single peak in a mountain range of shit.

The kernel has been plucked along with a few choice nuggets but most of that shit is still there needing to be shoveled, and the roots of those mountains of shit run deep.

Now you are just babbling. I seem to be the only person who bothered to find the truth about what Democrats have actually said.

No, I'm discussing an economic reality of any large scale undertaking:

There are shareholders and investors and infrastructural elements and supporting activities and functionaries.

Running and maintaining an island is a lot of work.

You are acting like this is over.

I guarantee you this wasn't even the only such operation or island.

 

[Toni]

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

No, he hasn't. I'm struggling on finding these statements because they don't exist.

He (Lieu) added, “In those files, there’s highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.” Lieu encouraged reporters to review the allegations.

That is what Lieu said as of mid-February.

Video and photos exist. What is on them, who is on them regarding crimes being committed isn't certain for the public, It is being guarded. What seems the worst is that even if one video exists that includes these heinous crimes, someone should be on trial. Prince Andrew wasn't even arrested for crimes committed against an underaged female.

And Andrew will never face such charges. Men don't care No one cares about 13 year old girls females.

FIFY.

I do ponder about jurisdiction, but it looks like the island is a US territory in the US Virgin Islands. Trafficking can't have that short of a sundown on it. And certainly not sex trafficking of minors. The lack of any follow-through makes one wonder if this thing is even bigger than we can imagine. Bipartisan efforts to not move forward with the evidence in hand is deeply disturbing.

When was there ever just one company engaging in providing a service?

When has there not been economic competition.

When have there ever not been shareholders and investors?

Why would we just suddenly forget such people exist who back such efforts?

The most deeply disturbing part is, well... Epstein was a golden crown of yellow corn atop a single peak in a mountain range of shit.

The kernel has been plucked along with a few choice nuggets but most of that shit is still there needing to be shoveled, and the roots of those mountains of shit run deep.

Now you are just babbling. I seem to be the only person who bothered to find the truth about what Democrats have actually said.

No, I'm discussing an economic reality of any large scale undertaking:

There are shareholders and investors and infrastructural elements and supporting activities and functionaries.

Running and maintaining an island is a lot of work.

You are acting like this is over.

I guarantee you this wasn't even the only such operation or island.

The 'real' business was obtaining influence and money through blackmail, and trading information for money. The children were just bait and/or trap. Nobody involved, including the FBI and the police gave a damn about the children.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ari Melber's show on MS Now tonight was an excellent overview of the Epstein suicide investigation and the holes in the official investigation and conclusion you could drive a Mack truck through. Well worth a watch.

 

[Elixir]

Does anyone think that a full exposé of Trump’s heinous acts would have any effect on those still enamored of the hideous demented sack of fetid lard?

 

[thebeave]

And why is t the testimony of many women sufficient?

Because it isn't enough to convict, at least the accusation. If additional information can be provided that helps demonstrate the case, that helps, but a lot of this is simply accusatory and the guys who are being accused will deny it. So much time has passed in these cases. There are no rape kits, no physical evidence. So you need to place this person with the accused, which could be possible. But then the defense is, it wasn't me who did it.

Think of it like getting a mob boss. There are crimes clearly being committed, but convicting on those crimes, particularly the up aboves, is ridiculously hard. You need someone to talk. With any luck, Prince Andrew will talk.

Yup. You need credible witnesses. Unfortunately, his victims tend not to be very credible--abusers select for whether they think someone would make a good witness against them. The reality is that there will always be people after a buck who will make false allegations against the rich, you need witnesses that do not look like them. You need witnesses that give testimony they couldn't get from the newspaper.

And, unfortunately, you have the same problem you have with the mob bosses--when you get the underling to testify against the boss there's always the suspicion that they're making things up to reduce their own punishment, either because they don't actually have useful evidence or they are too afraid to actually testify against their boss. Happens all too often with drug cases--the cops flip an underling, he flips his boss, boss has nobody they can flip so they make things up.

People have been contacting authorities about violence towards minors for 30 years!

I'd say one of the biggest unaddressed crimes was the sweet deal in Florida that Epstein received. And if it weren't for the press, Miami Herald, we wouldn't even have this thread.

I'm thinking it was a deal done because they had a witness that either didn't want to testify or who would look bad on the stand. Pleas way below what the crime warrants may be corruption, or they may be a case that would likely be lost at trial.

Credible? Not what I said. The prosecution would need physical evidence to help defend the accusation.

The Florida deal had shit all to do with 'noncredible' witnesses. It was one of the dirtiest plea deals in our nation's history.

As in images? Yeah, there are images. Ted Lieu has seen them.

More baloney from Toni (hey, that rhymes!):

Unraveling rumor that US senator has seen video evidence of Trump 'raping a child'

Rumors circulated in March 2026 that a U.S. senator had seen a video in the files related to investigation into the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein that showed U.S. President Donald Trump raping a child.

There was no evidence any U.S. politician had said they've seen such a video, and no credible news outlets had reported such a statement.

The claim appeared to stem from a statement made by Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., on Feb. 3, 2026, in which he called for the resignation of Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche over comments about the Epstein case on Fox News. Lieu said the Epstein files contained "highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children," but did not say there was video evidence.

A spokesperson for Lieu confirmed to Snopes the congressman was speaking strictly about allegations in the files, not any video evidence.