Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

[Elixir]

What powers of regulation do the Officers of the Defense Department Department of Religious Recognition actually carry? Can they arrest someone for chanting Hare Krishna while on leave?

I can sometimes recognize a Hare Krishna, and always wonder if they are aware of the benefits of being recognized by Pete Halfsacked.

 

[thebeave]

What about Scientology?
Is it disqualified for being too recently invented? How does THAT work?

And no FSM. Geez. Just when you get new religious headgear from Crate & Barrel.

Well, there is catch-all category called "Other" for all the miscellaneous religions out there.

What if I DONT WANT TO BE A “OTHER”!??!?

You poor thing!

 

[Patooka]

What about Scientology?
Is it disqualified for being too recently invented? How does THAT work?

And no FSM. Geez. Just when you get new religious headgear from Crate & Barrel.

Well, there is catch-all category called "Other" for all the miscellaneous religions out there.

What if I DONT WANT TO BE A “OTHER”!??!?

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You poor thing!

Also thebeave:

There should be a distinction between all the different varieties of Christianity!!!!!oneoneone

Here's this list, in case anyone is wondering:

• Agnostic (AN)
• Baha'i faith (BH)
• Buddhism (BU)
• Christian - Assemblies of God (AG)
• Christian - Baptist (BA)
• Christian - Brethren (BR)
• Christian - Catholic (CA)
• Christian - Church of Christ (CC)
• Christian - Church of God (CG)
• Christian - Church of the Nazarene (CN)
• Christian - Episcopal/Anglican (EA)
• Christian - Evangelical (EV)
• Christian - Jehovah's Witnesses (JW)
• Christian - Lutheran (LU)
• Christian - Methodist (ME)
• Christian - Non Denominational (ND)
• Christian - Orthodox (OX)
• Christian - Other (CO)
• Christian - Pentecostal (PE)
• Christian - Presbyterian (PR)
• Christian - Quaker (QU)
• Christian - Reformed (RE)
• Christian - Scientist (SC)
• Christian - Seventh Day Adventist (SA)
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)
• Hindu (HI)
• Islam (Muslim) (IS)
• Judaism (Jewish) (JU)
• No Religion (NR)
• Other Religions (OR)
• Sikh (SI)

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Thebeave sees no problem with this.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is interesting is that Christian is broken down into several splinters... but the other religions are all lumped together. It is almost like they are trying to make it look like they are invoking an authority of just how much Christianity there is and everything else is a small group. Which in reality, as far as those in the US military, is likely true, but this feels like more dominionism. Christianity is king! bs.

And when the heck did agnosticism become a faith or religion? If they tried to organize, they couldn't agree on the header for the stationary.
Okay, so after the first meeting at the Organized Collective of Agnostics, the fourteen issues have all been set aside because the resolution to each of them was "we aren't certain". Should we set a time for the next mee... Nevermind.

 

[Jarhyn]

Well, I've been paying attention to recent headlines, and new cases of screw-worm are popping up all over the US now.

I can't imagine how horrifying it would be to live in Texas or Louisiana knowing that in under a year, there will be flies present which lay eggs and burrow under the skin, causing painful lesions, before horrifying fly larvae burst from them leaving terrible scars.

Anyone with an exposed cut or scrape or possibly just sleeping outside can be victimized!

All thanks to Trump And Doge cutting a pittance of spending that saved billions of dollars a year among human medical needs and cattle losses.

In some respects, this strikes me as "insects whose bites cause boils, with the face of a man", and that face is, disgustingly, Trump's.

It feels almost like yet another attempt at fulfillment of prophecy.

 

[thebeave]

What about Scientology?
Is it disqualified for being too recently invented? How does THAT work?

And no FSM. Geez. Just when you get new religious headgear from Crate & Barrel.

Well, there is catch-all category called "Other" for all the miscellaneous religions out there.

What if I DONT WANT TO BE A “OTHER”!??!?

View attachment 54426

You poor thing!

Also thebeave:

There should be a distinction between all the different varieties of Christianity!!!!!oneoneone

Here's this list, in case anyone is wondering:

• Agnostic (AN)
• Baha'i faith (BH)
• Buddhism (BU)
• Christian - Assemblies of God (AG)
• Christian - Baptist (BA)
• Christian - Brethren (BR)
• Christian - Catholic (CA)
• Christian - Church of Christ (CC)
• Christian - Church of God (CG)
• Christian - Church of the Nazarene (CN)
• Christian - Episcopal/Anglican (EA)
• Christian - Evangelical (EV)
• Christian - Jehovah's Witnesses (JW)
• Christian - Lutheran (LU)
• Christian - Methodist (ME)
• Christian - Non Denominational (ND)
• Christian - Orthodox (OX)
• Christian - Other (CO)
• Christian - Pentecostal (PE)
• Christian - Presbyterian (PR)
• Christian - Quaker (QU)
• Christian - Reformed (RE)
• Christian - Scientist (SC)
• Christian - Seventh Day Adventist (SA)
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)
• Hindu (HI)
• Islam (Muslim) (IS)
• Judaism (Jewish) (JU)
• No Religion (NR)
• Other Religions (OR)
• Sikh (SI)

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Thebeave sees no problem with this.

That's what you conclude from my post (#4693)? You need some help with reading comprehension. I was merely pointing out that the Mormons' complaints have been addressed, and the list was updated to their satisfaction. I was not indicating any personal preference on how the religions should be organized in the military. I honestly don't care that much. I've been an atheist for almost 50 years. If I'm to be honest, I think all religions, Christian and otherwise, are kooky. If religious people want to squabble about how they are revered and organized, fine by me. Have at it. To me, it's like watching Santa Claus and Easter Bunny fighting in the boxing ring over which one of them is real and which one is imaginary.

In case anyone is interested, this article has an interesting comparison between the new and old codes:

From 200-Plus to 31: How the Pentagon Cut Religion Codes

I think I would have to agree that the number of obscure religions got a little out of hand. The Church of the Spiral Tree? Sacred Well Congregation? Kansas Yearly Meeting of Friends? Schwenkfelder Churches? Are chaplains expected to know the basic tenents of all these obscure denominations?

 

[Jarhyn]

Are chaplains expected to know the basic tenents of all these obscure denominations?

No, but they are expected to respect that "obscure denominations" have their own beliefs, to know where to go to find out about particulars, and how to accommodate such beliefs.

Part of the establishment of these faith groups involved making those pieces of information accessible resources.

Your question strikes me as "is an IT support specialist supposed to understand (insert comprehensive list of programs supported by the IT office here)?" When the whole point of the list itself is to act as a search index for finding that information on the fly. It is not "individual knowledge" but "organizational knowledge", and that "organizational knowledge" is being fucking deleted.

By deleting most of the list, now the chaplains will find themselves unable to find those resources, and the lack of official resources will be used to leverage non-supportive actions: "yours is not a recognized faith, and as such I have no obligation to respect it" is a sentiment perhaps not often spoken in the military out loud, but which I have nonetheless heard said between the words.

 

[thebeave]

Are chaplains expected to know the basic tenents of all these obscure denominations?

No, but they are expected to respect that "obscure denominations" have their own beliefs, to know where to go to find out about particulars, and how to accommodate such beliefs.

Part of the establishment of these faith groups involved making those pieces of information accessible resources.

Your question strikes me as "is an IT support specialist supposed to understand (insert comprehensive list of programs supported by the IT office here)?" When the whole point of the list itself is to act as a search index for finding that information on the fly. It is not "individual knowledge" but "organizational knowledge", and that "organizational knowledge" is being fucking deleted.

By deleting most of the list, now the chaplains will find themselves unable to find those resources, and the lack of official resources will be used to leverage non-supportive actions: "yours is not a recognized faith, and as such I have no obligation to respect it" is a sentiment perhaps not often spoken in the military out loud, but which I have nonetheless heard said between the words.

But even before this latest action, there was only a little over 200 on the list (since 2017). There are many thousands of religions (up to 10,000 from sources I've seen), so certainly the military has long had people that were followers of some of the unlisted religions. How did the chaplains deal with these cases? Its not like this is all of a sudden a new dilemma, is it?

 

[Elixir]

Are chaplains expected to know the basic tenents of all these obscure denominations?

No, but they are expected to respect that "obscure denominations" have their own beliefs, to know where to go to find out about particulars, and how to accommodate such beliefs.

Part of the establishment of these faith groups involved making those pieces of information accessible resources.

Your question strikes me as "is an IT support specialist supposed to understand (insert comprehensive list of programs supported by the IT office here)?" When the whole point of the list itself is to act as a search index for finding that information on the fly. It is not "individual knowledge" but "organizational knowledge", and that "organizational knowledge" is being fucking deleted.

By deleting most of the list, now the chaplains will find themselves unable to find those resources, and the lack of official resources will be used to leverage non-supportive actions: "yours is not a recognized faith, and as such I have no obligation to respect it" is a sentiment perhaps not often spoken in the military out loud, but which I have nonetheless heard said between the words.

That’s quite a depressing portrait of the random “faithful” you have painted there.
At least TheBeave used neutral tones on his broad brush.

 

[Jarhyn]

Are chaplains expected to know the basic tenents of all these obscure denominations?

No, but they are expected to respect that "obscure denominations" have their own beliefs, to know where to go to find out about particulars, and how to accommodate such beliefs.

Part of the establishment of these faith groups involved making those pieces of information accessible resources.

Your question strikes me as "is an IT support specialist supposed to understand (insert comprehensive list of programs supported by the IT office here)?" When the whole point of the list itself is to act as a search index for finding that information on the fly. It is not "individual knowledge" but "organizational knowledge", and that "organizational knowledge" is being fucking deleted.

By deleting most of the list, now the chaplains will find themselves unable to find those resources, and the lack of official resources will be used to leverage non-supportive actions: "yours is not a recognized faith, and as such I have no obligation to respect it" is a sentiment perhaps not often spoken in the military out loud, but which I have nonetheless heard said between the words.

That’s quite a depressing portrait of the random “faithful” you have painted there.
At least TheBeave used neutral tones on his broad brush.

I have direct experience of this cultural fact.

Do you want me to pull the punch?
Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri: "Fort Lost in the Woods, In Misery". Not originally my invented moniker, but I'll claim it.

This was my consistent experience, and the experience of any number of pagan soldiers.

It is not just destined to happen, but has already happened, and for reasons that have not gone anywhere.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I come from a Jewish family and though I do not identify so now if I were to do so I would be quite upset with the options on this list.

 

[Jarhyn]

I will also note "well, they changed the rules so now we gotta... (a long silence and expression that says: as in gotta do something that we should have already been doing and that sucks because we didn't want to have to do it and didn't do it in the past as regards resolving or appearing to resolve some issue of ongoing social abuse)," was a common refrain at times when certain regs changed.

 

[laughing dog]

Are chaplains expected to know the basic tenents of all these obscure denominations?

No, but they are expected to respect that "obscure denominations" have their own beliefs, to know where to go to find out about particulars, and how to accommodate such beliefs.

Part of the establishment of these faith groups involved making those pieces of information accessible resources.

Your question strikes me as "is an IT support specialist supposed to understand (insert comprehensive list of programs supported by the IT office here)?" When the whole point of the list itself is to act as a search index for finding that information on the fly. It is not "individual knowledge" but "organizational knowledge", and that "organizational knowledge" is being fucking deleted.

By deleting most of the list, now the chaplains will find themselves unable to find those resources, and the lack of official resources will be used to leverage non-supportive actions: "yours is not a recognized faith, and as such I have no obligation to respect it" is a sentiment perhaps not often spoken in the military out loud, but which I have nonetheless heard said between the words.

But even before this latest action, there was only a little over 200 on the list (since 2017). There are many thousands of religions (up to 10,000 from sources I've seen), so certainly the military has long had people that were followers of some of the unlisted religions. How did the chaplains deal with these cases? Its not like this is all of a sudden a new dilemma, is it?

And for some reason, you think reducing the number of religions makes the situation better?

If not, what is your point?

 

[blastula]

What's that big thingamig doodad built in honor of George Washington?

 

[blastula]

Inflation good, affordability bad.

Trump says 'I love the inflation' after consumer price index hits 3-year high

President Trump suggested that inflation would drop when the U.S. war against Iran ends, and said, "We've been taking out millions of barrels of oil."

www.cnbc.com

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The inflation line is quite something else. Because he defends it by saying the following.

You know what I really love? I love the inflation. You know why? Because as soon as this war is over, you know I can say it now ... you know we’ve been taking out millions of barrels of oil. Nobody knows it. You know who doesn’t know about it? Iran, until right now. We took out the other night, 22 ships, late at night, with no lights, because they don’t have any radar, because we blasted the crap out of it. That’s why oil is at $85 a barrel. We’ve been taking out millions of barrels of oil, millions of barrels every night.

In more cases than not, I can untangle what Trump has said. For the life of me, I can't understand what he said. On one hand, they are taking out 22 ships at night, so the swift like boats, mine layers. So because the US Navy is weakening the Iranian small Navy fleet, oil is low. But then he says the US Navy is taking out millions of barrels of oil every night. The US Navy is sinking oil carriers?! Or is he conflating stuff. The US is taking millions of barrels of oil out of the US reserve, which is why oil is only $85, and his statements on the US Navy (?) taking out ships isn't related to the thought?

I can't tell what he is saying. I can't even tell if he knows what he is talking about.

But I'm certain that his verbal diarrhea didn't remotely address why he likes... no wait "love" inflation.

 

[Jarhyn]

The inflation line is quite something else. Because he defends it by saying the following.

You know what I really love? I love the inflation. You know why? Because as soon as this war is over, you know I can say it now ... you know we’ve been taking out millions of barrels of oil. Nobody knows it. You know who doesn’t know about it? Iran, until right now. We took out the other night, 22 ships, late at night, with no lights, because they don’t have any radar, because we blasted the crap out of it. That’s why oil is at $85 a barrel. We’ve been taking out millions of barrels of oil, millions of barrels every night.

In more cases than not, I can untangle what Trump has said. For the life of me, I can't understand what he said. On one hand, they are taking out 22 ships at night, so the swift like boats, mine layers. So because the US Navy is weakening the Iranian small Navy fleet, oil is low. But then he says the US Navy is taking out millions of barrels of oil every night. The US Navy is sinking oil carriers?! Or is he conflating stuff. The US is taking millions of barrels of oil out of the US reserve, which is why oil is only $85, and his statements on the US Navy (?) taking out ships isn't related to the thought?

I can't tell what he is saying. I can't even tell if he knows what he is talking about.

But I'm certain that his verbal diarrhea didn't remotely address why he likes... no wait "love" inflation.

If we take him at his word, he's creating an ecological apocalypse, if he's putting millions of barrels of oil into the ocean every night.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I believe he is referring to the news I heard that some ships are turning off their transponders and leaving the gulf in the dead of night.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

...or he means that the US escorted ships out. Which of they did, it would be the dumbest thing for Trump to say in public.

Which is stated just above me. Sorry for the echo.

 

[ZiprHead]

Large etchings of numbers signaling opposition to Trump appear on National Mall

U.S. Park Police, the D.C. fire department and members of the National Guard were seen responding Thursday to what appeared to be large-scale etchings of the numerals “86 47” on the ‌grounds of the National ‌Mall.

White House spokesman Davis Ingle responded to a request for comment on the markings with an email. “Anyone who engages in or endorses political violence or assassination culture must be condemned in the harshest terms possible,” Ingle wrote. “They should also immediately seek psychiatric help to treat their severe and debilitating case of Trump Derangement Syndrome that has warped their brains and made them sick in the head.”