How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Russian propganda machine has been able to convince an entire population that it's invasion is morally justified; that they are fighting mostly nato troops;

Russsian propaganda has very little to do with it and actually quite terrible.
It's actually actions of western governments and media who convinced the russians that you are utter scum.
Let me illustrate. I remember reading news around 2010-2012 (16 years ago) and there was an interview with Georgian politician (Nino Burjanadze) who was right hand of Saakashvili, she later went into opposition to that madman. Anyway, she was describing how americans were behaving around Rose Revolution (2003, 23 years ago when Putin was fresh president of Russia). She described it as following:
Americans (State Department) would come with bags of money and ask for people who hate Russia and hand them these bags of money for political activities. And before you go start demanding links and evidence I don't give a flying fuck what you want or believe. I am explaining how I and 150 millions of russians formed their opinion on the actions of the West.
You are utter scum.

Still crickets

You are so desperate to play the victim card.

No, I am not desperate, you are.

Have you ever considered the fact that people would hate Russia less if it would stop killing people,

We are not killing anyone not deserving killing.

This is why the entire world should come together and support Ukraine. Here's the sad part: if Ukraine wins, the best would probably be that the Russia will keep some of Ukraine's land. But the death will stop on both sides. If Russia wins, there will be a genocide in Ukraine.

stop bombing the fuck out of residential multi-family units, stop kidnapping kids, stop threatening border countries, stop threating to destroy the world with nukes? I'm not going to defend my government. They do stupid shit every single day that I don't agree with.

I fucking repeat:
Americans (State Department) would come with bags of money and ask for people who hate Russia and hand them these bags of money for political activities.

Imagine if russians did that

Both sides meddle. You are so naive! The difference between you and I is that you are a fan boy for the Nazis running Russia. I call out imperialism on both sides.

No, not both sides. We don't go around EU/Canada/South America and give money to america haters.

 

[barbos]

This is why the entire world should come together and support Ukraine

That's just in. New PM of Bulgaria says Bulgaria is out of helping Kiev Regime.

But the death will stop on both sides. If Russia wins, there will be a genocide in Ukraine.

I would not call public hanging of a couple of hundreds of prominent ukro-nazy a genocide.
And that would only happen if I were the president of Russia.

 

[barbos]

Russian propganda machine has been able to convince an entire population that it's invasion is morally justified; that they are fighting mostly nato troops;

Russsian propaganda has very little to do with it and actually quite terrible.
It's actually actions of western governments and media who convinced the russians that you are utter scum.
Let me illustrate. I remember reading news around 2010-2012 (16 years ago) and there was an interview with Georgian politician (Nino Burjanadze) who was right hand of Saakashvili, she later went into opposition to that madman. Anyway, she was describing how americans were behaving around Rose Revolution (2003, 23 years ago when Putin was fresh president of Russia). She described it as following:
Americans (State Department) would come with bags of money and ask for people who hate Russia and hand them these bags of money for political activities. And before you go start demanding links and evidence I don't give a flying fuck what you want or believe. I am explaining how I and 150 millions of russians formed their opinion on the actions of the West.
You are utter scum.

Still crickets

You are so desperate to play the victim card. Have you ever considered the fact that people would hate Russia less if it would stop killing people, stop bombing the fuck out of residential multi-family units, stop kidnapping kids, stop threatening border countries, stop threating to destroy the world with nukes? I'm not going to defend my government. They do stupid shit every single day that I don't agree with.

Indeed. Tu Quoque is a logical fallacy; The US need not be any good at all in order for Russia to suck giant donkey balls.

If both Russia and the US lost their current leadership in simultaneous mass lightning strike incidents, the world would be a far better place - and the fact that they haven't is IMO all the basis anyone needs in order to be an atheist.

You are still bullshitting yourself.
Georgia example is a demonstration of your utter shittiness, yes. But you probably already know that.
But the main point is a demonstration of the fact that all your theories about Everybody hating Russia is Bullshit.
Only some of the western degenerates who is overdosing on MSM believe that.
In reality, all this notion is based on controlling governments of small counties and making sure that THEY create an illusion that people in their countries hate Russia.
This is done through support crazy shit like Saakashvili and fucking paying cash to people to "hate" Russia so that you lying MSM can run around these people.

Case in point is Tichanovskaya in Belarus. Her husband, was the one who was running for president and was actually arrested by Lukashenko. He is free now, why is his wife still representing Belarus in the West?
Do you know why? Because the guy is batshit crazy, that's why. He is literally batshit crazy. Even his wife cannot really deny it and is ashamed of it. And this is the Modus Operandi of the West.
You fucking support current regime in Syria, which you installed - Al fucking Queda!

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[barbos]

I already mentioned this anecdote in the past. But it is worth of repeating.
When I was in US I used to watch TV late. All these cheap "commercials" asking for money would appear.
One of them was about expatriating jews out of Russia into Israel.
Let me say that beforehand, I don't think it was special campaign to paint Russia in black, but....
It was horrible garbage, where they were mildly implying the the whole bunch of shit which was simply false. And imbeciles in the US would form their opinion on this garbage as well as Hollywood movies from the 80s
I know they were just trying to get your money but still.
25 years later, internet is a thing and youtube is still full of westerners travelling to Russia and getting surprised that MSM are full of shit about Russia.

 

[barbos]

You fucking assholes were supporting chechen terrorists.
Do you fucking realize that "Independent" Ichkeria at the time had slavery?
literally, they would go to Russia, kidnap some random people (usually homeless) and make them work as slaves. That was widespread in Ichkeria which you were supporting.
It is also weird how you always support any movement to separate from Russia but never any movement to separate from Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Weird.

 

[Tigers!]

You fucking assholes were supporting chechen terrorists.
Do you fucking realize that "Independent" Ichkeria at the time had slavery?
literally, they would go to Russia, kidnap some random people (usually homeless) and make them work as slaves. That was widespread in Ichkeria which you were supporting.
It is also weird how you always support any movement to separate from Russia but never any movement to separate from Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Weird.

Its funny that the only movements to separate from Ukraine comes from Russians .........

 

[Tigers!]

stop bombing the fuck out of residential multi-family units, stop kidnapping kids, stop threatening border countries, stop threating to destroy the world with nukes? I'm not going to defend my government. They do stupid shit every single day that I don't agree with.

I fucking repeat:
Americans (State Department) would come with bags of money and ask for people who hate Russia and hand them these bags of money for political activities.

Imagine if russians did that

Both sides meddle. You are so naive! The difference between you and I is that you are a fan boy for the Nazis running Russia. I call out imperialism on both sides.

No, not both sides. We don't go around EU/Canada/South America and give money to america haters.

Russia now does not seem to go around funding America haters in Australia any more but the USSR gave substantial funds between 1920 until the death of Stalin, via the Cominterm until 1943 then directly after that.

 

[barbos]

You fucking assholes were supporting chechen terrorists.
Do you fucking realize that "Independent" Ichkeria at the time had slavery?
literally, they would go to Russia, kidnap some random people (usually homeless) and make them work as slaves. That was widespread in Ichkeria which you were supporting.
It is also weird how you always support any movement to separate from Russia but never any movement to separate from Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Weird.

Its funny that the only movements to separate from Ukraine comes from Russians .........

That's not true, hungarian part wants to separate too.
But Russians is the main "minority" in Ukraine, so it should not be surprising.
And in Georgia, ossetians and Abhazians are not russians.
Most of the Ossetia is in Russia. And Abhazia had been in Russia until your beloved Stalin decided to give it to his beloved homeland Georgia.

 

[barbos]

stop bombing the fuck out of residential multi-family units, stop kidnapping kids, stop threatening border countries, stop threating to destroy the world with nukes? I'm not going to defend my government. They do stupid shit every single day that I don't agree with.

I fucking repeat:
Americans (State Department) would come with bags of money and ask for people who hate Russia and hand them these bags of money for political activities.

Imagine if russians did that

Both sides meddle. You are so naive! The difference between you and I is that you are a fan boy for the Nazis running Russia. I call out imperialism on both sides.

No, not both sides. We don't go around EU/Canada/South America and give money to america haters.

Russia now does not seem to go around funding America haters in Australia any more but the USSR gave substantial funds between 1920 until the death of Stalin, via the Cominterm until 1943 then directly after that.

what is wrong with giving money to capitalism haters?
We were doing it quite openly, not like you did in the past and are doing now.

 

[Tigers!]

stop bombing the fuck out of residential multi-family units, stop kidnapping kids, stop threatening border countries, stop threating to destroy the world with nukes? I'm not going to defend my government. They do stupid shit every single day that I don't agree with.

I fucking repeat:
Americans (State Department) would come with bags of money and ask for people who hate Russia and hand them these bags of money for political activities.

Imagine if russians did that

Both sides meddle. You are so naive! The difference between you and I is that you are a fan boy for the Nazis running Russia. I call out imperialism on both sides.

No, not both sides. We don't go around EU/Canada/South America and give money to america haters.

Russia now does not seem to go around funding America haters in Australia any more but the USSR gave substantial funds between 1920 until the death of Stalin, via the Cominterm until 1943 then directly after that.

what is wrong with giving money to capitalism haters?

Nothing. As long as you don't complain about money being given to Russian/Putin haters. Pot meet kettle.
I'd rather my money go via a Ukraine drone anyway.

 

[Tigers!]

You fucking assholes were supporting chechen terrorists.
Do you fucking realize that "Independent" Ichkeria at the time had slavery?
literally, they would go to Russia, kidnap some random people (usually homeless) and make them work as slaves. That was widespread in Ichkeria which you were supporting.
It is also weird how you always support any movement to separate from Russia but never any movement to separate from Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Weird.

Its funny that the only movements to separate from Ukraine comes from Russians .........

That's not true, hungarian part wants to separate too.
But Russians is the main "minority" in Ukraine, so it should not be surprising.
And in Georgia, ossetians and Abhazians are not russians.

They are nor Russians but Czarist Russia took them over anyway.

Most of the Ossetia is in Russia.

I support independence for non-Russians.

And Abhazia had been in Russia until your beloved Stalin decided to give it to his beloved homeland Georgia.

Calling Stalin beloved really destroys a most lovely word.
I'd wish Stalin had stayed in exile in Siberia.

 

[barbos]

stop bombing the fuck out of residential multi-family units, stop kidnapping kids, stop threatening border countries, stop threating to destroy the world with nukes? I'm not going to defend my government. They do stupid shit every single day that I don't agree with.

I fucking repeat:
Americans (State Department) would come with bags of money and ask for people who hate Russia and hand them these bags of money for political activities.

Imagine if russians did that

Both sides meddle. You are so naive! The difference between you and I is that you are a fan boy for the Nazis running Russia. I call out imperialism on both sides.

No, not both sides. We don't go around EU/Canada/South America and give money to america haters.

Russia now does not seem to go around funding America haters in Australia any more but the USSR gave substantial funds between 1920 until the death of Stalin, via the Cominterm until 1943 then directly after that.

what is wrong with giving money to capitalism haters?

Nothing. As long as you don't complain about money being given to Russian/Putin haters. Pot meet kettle.
I'd rather my money go via a Ukraine drone anyway.

No, I most certainly will complain and did already.
There is difference with literally paying money to people to lie (You)
and supporting people who actually believe what they are doing.

You fucking assholes, claim openly "Democracy blah blah, blah, freedom"
In reality when doors are closed you say "We really want you to cause problems for Russia, here are the money, take it."

Freedom fighters you were supporting in Afghanistan in the 80s and democracy?

 

[barbos]

They are nor Russians but Czarist Russia took them over anyway.

Yeah, look at the damn US, or UK, or..... Poland, or Georgia, or any large country.

I support independence for non-Russians.

Well, then you are not welcome in Georgia.

 

[barbos]

Calling Stalin beloved really destroys a most lovely word.
I'd wish Stalin had stayed in exile in Siberia.

Direct your wishes to ...... germans.
Cause he is a product of their meddling in Russia.
I mean they literally funded Russian communist revolution.

 

[barbos]

You don't have a democracy in the west. you have capitalism, extreme one at that, which is basically imperialism.

 

[TV and credit cards]

It looks like Ukrainian forces managed to sever logistical routes between Kherson and Crimea.
First bridges on the Sea of Azov side were hit. Latest is the bridge at Chonhar is gone. Gone. Gone. As in gone.
This directed all Russian ammo and supplies over to the Black Sea side of things at Armyansk where not only the bridges there were hit but all the aforementioned ammo and supplies.
Hopefully there will be scenic pics to follow.

 

[TV and credit cards]

So what happens next? Terrified Russians racing across the dilapidated Kerch bridge back to Mother while it blow up in the rearview mirror?

 

[bilby]

Then why all that fake outrage at the unprovoked full scale invasion of the such a great country of Ukraine?

Nothing fake about it. Russia's behaviour was, and remains, outrageous.

Seems like a good strategy of getting rid of US regime which was enslaving blacks and murdering native Americans. You are utter scum.

I am not now, nor have I ever been, affiliated in any way with the United States of America. I don't support their regime any more than I support Russia's. If the leadership of both nations were to drown in a tsunami of pigshit, the only tears I would shed would be of laughter. And the fact that they haven't is IMO all the basis anyone needs in order to be an atheist.

 

[bilby]

No, not both sides. We don't go around EU/Canada/South America and give money to america haters.

I bet you do. You just don't have enough money to be effective at it.

 

[TV and credit cards]

And then, remember that 20 liter limit on gasoline in Crimea I mentioned previously? Yeah, well, it looks like that is kaput. One needed a QR code to obtain this gasoline but QR code are no longer being issued.
And then, it looks like Russia is getting totally overwhelmed in the drone wars. I'm thinking European politicians are smelling victory in the air and are pushing to help in any way they can. Ukrainian CinC claims that over 180,000 targets have been hit in May, up 27% from April. It's June 12th. Must be murder out there.
So then Finnish President Alexander Stubb comes out and claims that Russia is losing 35,000 soldiers a month but are only recruiting 27,000. And that the kill ratio is now 8:1. That's the first time I've heard 8:1 and this from a Finn. Finns don't lie.