Yet another war, this time with Iran

[aupmanyav]

I suspect the women are NOT happy with the Taliban system.

They have their religion, laws based on Shariya and their culture. Differences are bound to be there. It also depends on the region. I saw a Northern Afghan woman, all alone, allowing an Indian blogger to get her photo in a dancing pose. The Taliban objected. She went to the Officer and berated him.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Yup, same reason Islam hates us. Our system is more attractive, they can't compete. So they have to demonize us.

In prosperity, some of them can compete with you. But it is the common Christian and Islamic trait to be expansionist. "Make every one accept the good news", "Make every one accept the mission of Muhammad", whatever be the method. That creates all the problems. Systems are immaterial. Do you find the current US system attractive? Afghans have no problem with Taliban system, they are happy.

I suspect the women are NOT happy with the Taliban system.

The problem with this way of thinking is that it takes away agency from women.

Lots of women clearly love this shit.

Loads of women are Muslim in the west. How do you explain that?

There's no way the Taleban could have succeeded in surviving all those years and conquering without the support of Afghan women.

It would have been super eaay for dissident women in the Taleban to have ratted them out. They didn't.

There's no shortage of conservative women in the west. Western progressives have a bad habit of telling women what they should think and value. As if a woman who isn't liberal is an idiot. That's not a particularly progressive stance

 

[Patooka]

Yup, same reason Islam hates us. Our system is more attractive, they can't compete. So they have to demonize us.

In prosperity, some of them can compete with you. But it is the common Christian and Islamic trait to be expansionist. "Make every one accept the good news", "Make every one accept the mission of Muhammad", whatever be the method. That creates all the problems. Systems are immaterial. Do you find the current US system attractive? Afghans have no problem with Taliban system, they are happy.

I suspect the women are NOT happy with the Taliban system.

The problem with this way of thinking is that it takes away agency from women.

Lots of women clearly love this shit.

Loads of women are Muslim in the west. How do you explain that?

There's no way the Taleban could have succeeded in surviving all those years and conquering without the support of Afghan women.

It would have been super eaay for dissident women in the Taleban to have ratted them out. They didn't.

There's no shortage of conservative women in the west. Western progressives have a bad habit of telling women what they should think and value. As if a woman who isn't liberal is an idiot. That's not a particularly progressive stance

Yeah because Taliban leaders have so much in common with Western leaders they'll certainly entertain of putting a token woman in the spotlight to highlight their cause.

I'm sure their are some women in Afghanistan who feel as you described. I'm certain the amount of women who feel that way is to be so infinitesimally small as to be statistically irrelevant

Two dead after Taliban opens fire on dress code violation protest

The protest followed the arrests of dozens of women for alleged dress code violation in the Afghan city of Herat.

www.abc.net.au

 

[scombrid]

There are Muslim women in the west because they aren’t the Taliban. Muslim women under the Taliban are just surviving. Ruthless minorities can rule without broad support. Plus places like Afghanistan have the same problem as poor towns in the US South and rust belt; those that can leave and who’s left behind ain’t pretty.

The Muslim women I know are literate, drive cars, have advanced science degrees. Them existing as Muslims in the west doesn’t lend any support to a notion that women support the Taliban.

I took a Pakistani to a Florence and the Machine concert with my wife and sister in law. She just finished at the top of her med school class. She left an arranged marriage and is now marrying some Muslim from an outcast sect. Family dynamics there remind me of what happens when a conservative Jew goes and married a Catholic.

 

[scombrid]

By the way, what kind of Protestant have the Buddhist become? Southern Baptist or United Church of Christ? I was raised Southern Baptist with a little Episcopalian and Presbyterian. Nothing I see at the monestary up in Mims that has vegan Thai brunch seems to derive from the Protestant religion into which I was indoctrinated.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Yes you are correct. The US has not adopted the NFU (I already said that). No Russia hasn’t nuked any country; but they routinely threaten to.

That is diplomatic talk. How many times Trump has threatened Iran with oblivion and destruction of Iranian culture?
We were expecting American bombardment of Iran yesterday night. Then he says deal is ready, only signing remains.

? I wonder if you have me confused with someone else? I'm not a trumpster. Not in the least. I've said at least 3 times that I agree with NFU. Trump threatens to annihilate enemies all the time.

 

[aupmanyav]

It is not rebellion, it is resistance against invasion.

We are referring to Maidan uprising. It was a rebellion against the elected government of Victor Yanukovych. Till that time, there was no invasion.

 

[aupmanyav]

So happy they are selling their daughters?

This is a BBC report. I am not surprised. Western media is the second biggest liar, only Trump beats it..
Selling children happens among the Iranian nomads too, whatever be your reaction. The sold children are treated well by their buyers. They become dependent members of the new family, like Zayd ibn Harithah was to Muhammad. Marrying children before adulthood is not prohibited in Islam. Ayesha is reported to have been six year old when she was married to Muhammad, and liked playing with dolls.

 

[aupmanyav]

The Afghan-Pakistan war is still going.

It will go on till TTP does not win or till Pakistan does not disintegrate.
Pakistan forces killed more than 50 protestors in Pakistan occupied Kashmir during the protests on 9 and 10 June.
Pakistan occupied Kashmir will ultimately come back to India, we do not have to do anything.
Conditions of people are so bad.

 

[aupmanyav]

Should we not even try?

Try, but Pakistan is a fractured failed state. IMF wants some 800 billion USD in new taxes. Imagine what it will do to people.

 

[aupmanyav]

There are two factions in Pakistan.

One favors peaceful coexistence, one favors spreading their brand of Islam via the gun. The peaceful ones have control but it's shaky enough they can't truly keep the warmongers in check. They were attempting to direct the warmongers to Afghanistan, but now they're finding that such an approach backfires.

There are two factions in Pakistan. Government and military officers, and Business. They want to stash as much money as they can outside Pakistan while they hold sway. They will run away when the push comes to a shove. Then, there is military and clerics, who promote terrorism against India and want to crush TTP, opposition in Kashmir and Baluchistan. Welfare of people is never a consideration.

 

[aupmanyav]

Look at the missiles.
US: solid fueled.
Russia: mostly liquid fueled.
Liquid fueled missiles are not second strike capable, the weapons say doctrine is first use.

I am not a missile expert. But I am happy that India will test Agni-VI very soon.
"Agni-VI is a four-stage intercontinental ballistic missile, MIRV (Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle) and MaRV (Maneuverable reentry vehicle).
Agni-VI can avoid missile defense systems like China's HQ-19, the United States' THAAD, and Russia's S-500 by employing MaRVs, decoys, and radar-absorbent coatings." Wikipedia

Estimated range of Agni-VI ICBM and its predecessors

 

[DrZoidberg]

Yup, same reason Islam hates us. Our system is more attractive, they can't compete. So they have to demonize us.

In prosperity, some of them can compete with you. But it is the common Christian and Islamic trait to be expansionist. "Make every one accept the good news", "Make every one accept the mission of Muhammad", whatever be the method. That creates all the problems. Systems are immaterial. Do you find the current US system attractive? Afghans have no problem with Taliban system, they are happy.

I suspect the women are NOT happy with the Taliban system.

The problem with this way of thinking is that it takes away agency from women.

Lots of women clearly love this shit.

Loads of women are Muslim in the west. How do you explain that?

There's no way the Taleban could have succeeded in surviving all those years and conquering without the support of Afghan women.

It would have been super eaay for dissident women in the Taleban to have ratted them out. They didn't.

There's no shortage of conservative women in the west. Western progressives have a bad habit of telling women what they should think and value. As if a woman who isn't liberal is an idiot. That's not a particularly progressive stance

Yeah because Taliban leaders have so much in common with Western leaders they'll certainly entertain of putting a token woman in the spotlight to highlight their cause.

I'm sure their are some women in Afghanistan who feel as you described. I'm certain the amount of women who feel that way is to be so infinitesimally small as to be statistically irrelevant

Two dead after Taliban opens fire on dress code violation protest

The protest followed the arrests of dozens of women for alleged dress code violation in the Afghan city of Herat.

www.abc.net.au

Why are you certain of that?

Just because women are against some application of sharia doesn't mean they're against the sharia all together.

Most Syrians want sharia law. Yet ISIS is hated by almost all Syrians

When honour killings are carried out in the west the mothers are, it often surfaces in court that the mothers were complicit.

Muslim women in the west can in most cases just walk away. But generally don't. Second generation Muslim immigrants walk away more often. But rarely.

You're making this way too simplistic.

 

[aupmanyav]

Dr.Zoidberg said,"There's also the Pakistani Taleban. It's a different organisation from the Afghan Taleban. The Afghan Taleban is trying to distance themselves from the Pakistani Taleban becasue they're trying to come off as serious statesmen. The Western press does not differentiate between these. Even though they are different, have completely different power structures and are becoming increasingly different ideologically."

Aup.: Yes, Afghan Taliban are not interested in a strife with Pakistan, but they allow TTP to operate from Afghan soil. Afghanistan does not recognize the Durand Line. They have claims in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa. They also allow Baluch insurgents to operate from their soil.

 

[aupmanyav]

There are Muslim women in the west because they aren’t the Taliban. Muslim women under the Taliban are just surviving. Ruthless minorities can rule without broad support. Plus places like Afghanistan have the same problem as poor towns in the US South and rust belt; those that can leave and who’s left behind ain’t pretty.

Don't compare Afghan women to Muslim women elsewhere. They have to live under the Taliban rule. Muslim women occupy all sorts of positions in India, including the Indian Supreme Court (Justice Fatima Biwi), Military (Colonel Sophiya Qureshi), and scores of them in Administration and Police.

 

[aupmanyav]

? I wonder if you have me confused with someone else? I'm not a trumpster. Not in the least. I've said at least 3 times that I agree with NFU. Trump threatens to annihilate enemies all the time.

No. I was replying to your sttment, "No Russia hasn’t nuked any country; but they routinely threaten to."
Threatening is diplomatic talk. Trump has said a hundred times that India Pakistan stopped their war because he threatened India to stop all trade. If US does that, they too will loose Indian business. We understand that. We are not afraid of Virginia wolf.

 

[aupmanyav]

There's no way the Taleban could have succeeded in surviving all those years and conquering without the support of Afghan women.

Afghan men can cook their own meals. The women are obligated to satisfy the sexual urge of their men, otherwise divorce or another wife. They are permitted to have four.

 

[aupmanyav]

I am not a missile expert. But I am happy that India will test Agni-VI very soon.

List of Indian military missiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bilby]

Estimated range of Agni-VI ICBM and its predecessors

Why do you want to target Australia? Time for me to move to New Zealand.

 

[aupmanyav]

Why do you want to target Australia? Time for me to move to New Zealand.

Of course,our missiles are primarily for defense against China, and not against any one else in Russia, Europe, Africa, Australia or New Zealand. That is just incidental. The big ones are not for Pakistan, where even the lesser ones will do in case it is necessary. Then there are other considerations, speed, nature of payload, accuracy, defense against neutralization, number of targets it can hit, whether they will work from land, air, sea or from submarines, etc. I don't think we will have a missile of range greater than Agni VI.