Split Lindsey Graham Dead

[southernhybrid]

I wonder if he had been diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm before this fatal event?

Probably not. Most cases get diagnosed accidentally, e.g. through an ultrasound looking for something else.

Location also plays a big role, with ascending aorta aneurysms being most difficult to repair.

True but he was old enough that it was not unlikely that he would face at some point in the last several years to have required a scan that might have revealed the aneurysm.

I'm 6 years older than him and I haven't had any type of heart scan in about a decade. If he had a history of heart disease, he might have had some kind of cardiac tests, but people without heart disease can have torn or ruptured heart valves. Former poster Jobar,s brother in law died of an aortic aneurysm about 10 years ago, but he was a heavy smoker and that was likely the problem. He was probably about 55 or 60 when he died, so one never knows when these things might happen. Ironically, when he had the aneurysm, he and his wife were getting ready to attend a funeral. He always seemed very healthy whenever we saw him.

 

[Toni]

I wonder if he had been diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm before this fatal event?

Probably not. Most cases get diagnosed accidentally, e.g. through an ultrasound looking for something else.

Location also plays a big role, with ascending aorta aneurysms being most difficult to repair.

True but he was old enough that it was not unlikely that he would face at some point in the last several years to have required a scan that might have revealed the aneurysm.

I'm 6 years older than him and I haven't had any type of heart scan in about a decade. If he had a history of heart disease, he might have had some kind of cardiac tests, but people without heart disease can have torn or ruptured heart valves. Former poster Jobar,s brother in law died of an aortic aneurysm about 10 years ago, but he was a heavy smoker and that was likely the problem. He was probably about 55 or 60 when he died, so one never knows when these things might happen. Ironically, when he had the aneurysm, he and his wife were getting ready to attend a funeral. He always seemed very healthy whenever we saw him.

Ah, I know someone who underwent abdominal aortic aneurysm repair a while back. The actual aneurysm had been discovered some years early and was quite small. The risks of surgery were greater than the risks of monitoring so it was monitored for several years before the aneurysm grew to be of significant enough size that repair was necessary. The aneurysm was discovered when they had a scan because of a hernia, I believe. Sometime in their early 60/s, I think.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

Seen elsewhere:

Everyone thought Mitch McConnell would be the first to die, but Lindsey Graham is the type of man who always comes from behind.

 

[steve_bank]

I liked Graham a little when he supported campaign finance reform.

He seemed to have gotten sucked into the Trump power trip. Turned into an extreme hawk.

I thought there was a meme that Mormons were relatively incorruptible.

I will not miss him, but then somebody who replaces him could be worse.

The expected platitudes

He was kind.
A great patriot.
A great father.
A great friend.
A great American.

etc,etc,etc.

 

[thebeave]

I liked Graham a little when he supported campaign finance reform.

He seemed to have gotten sucked into the Trump power trip. Turned into an extreme hawk.

I thought there was a meme that Mormons were relatively incorruptible.

I will not miss him, but then somebody who replaces him could be worse.

The erected platitudes

He was kind.
A great patriot.
A great father.
A great friend.
A great American.

etc,etc,etc.

Lindsay Graham was not a Mormon. He was a Baptist. Not that that means he's less crazy though.

 

[steve_bank]

For some reason I thought he was Mormon.

 

[ZiprHead]

For some reason I thought he was Mormon Moron.

Now you are correct.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Seen elsewhere:

Everyone thought Mitch McConnell would be the first to die, but Lindsey Graham is the type of man who always comes from behind.

Really? I always figured him for a bottom.

 

[Patooka]

I liked Graham a little

That was your first mistake.

 

[steve_bank]

I liked Graham a little

That was your first mistake.

You prb-ably think you are being cute, but this polarization is what is getting us into trouble.

No middle ground. The term in vogue is maximalist, everything my way. Left and right are both maximalist.

Politically, a maximalist is an individual who pushes for the maximum possible amount of political objectives rather than settling for the minimum. They typically demand immediate and direct action, refusing to compromise on their core ideology. Historically, the term was used in the early 20th century to describe radical factions, such as those within the Russian Social Democratic Party, who favored total implementation of their most extreme goals.

As much as I dislike Trump, I support t his policy of aggressive action against drug smugglers. Blow the fast boats and semi-submersibles out of the water without warning.

And of course w you will frame me as a MAGA nut for that.

 

[ideologyhunter]

If you're serious, has there been one showing of proof that we've killed drug dealers on those boats? And you don't care about blowing up the survivors clinging to wreckage? Has Trump ever been a trustworthy source of information, or a leader who cares about due process? The way to fight crime is to simply execute suspects? That's my soapbox moment. And yes, that was a hard MAGA post.

 

[Patooka]

I liked Graham a little

That was your first mistake.

You prb-ably think you are being cute, but this polarization is what is getting us into trouble.

No middle ground. The term in vogue is maximalist, everything my way. Left and right are both maximalist.

Politically, a maximalist is an individual who pushes for the maximum possible amount of political objectives rather than settling for the minimum. They typically demand immediate and direct action, refusing to compromise on their core ideology. Historically, the term was used in the early 20th century to describe radical factions, such as those within the Russian Social Democratic Party, who favored total implementation of their most extreme goals.

As much as I dislike Trump, I support t his policy of aggressive action against drug smugglers. Blow the fast boats and semi-submersibles out of the water without warning.

And of course w you will frame me as a MAGA nut for that.

And there are some people who think compromise is weakness. It is attitudes like yours that enables such scum. Lindsey Graham was an unlikeable piece of shit. The world got a little bit cleaner when he finally had the decency to leave.

Sometimes there is no middle ground. Feel free to compromise with me on that.

 

[Patooka]

Honestly, I think Graham would be cool with this as his legacy.

 

[southernhybrid]

I wonder if he had been diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm before this fatal event?

Probably not. Most cases get diagnosed accidentally, e.g. through an ultrasound looking for something else.

Location also plays a big role, with ascending aorta aneurysms being most difficult to repair.

True but he was old enough that it was not unlikely that he would face at some point in the last several years to have required a scan that might have revealed the aneurysm.

I'm 6 years older than him and I haven't had any type of heart scan in about a decade. If he had a history of heart disease, he might have had some kind of cardiac tests, but people without heart disease can have torn or ruptured heart valves. Former poster Jobar,s brother in law died of an aortic aneurysm about 10 years ago, but he was a heavy smoker and that was likely the problem. He was probably about 55 or 60 when he died, so one never knows when these things might happen. Ironically, when he had the aneurysm, he and his wife were getting ready to attend a funeral. He always seemed very healthy whenever we saw him.

Ah, I know someone who underwent abdominal aortic aneurysm repair a while back. The actual aneurysm had been discovered some years early and was quite small. The risks of surgery were greater than the risks of monitoring so it was monitored for several years before the aneurysm grew to be of significant enough size that repair was necessary. The aneurysm was discovered when they had a scan because of a hernia, I believe. Sometime in their early 60/s, I think.

Yes. Sometimes an aneurysm can be detected early, but my point is that not very many people have a routine scan just because of their age. I did have one patient who had a brain aneurysm that was detected many years prior to her death from it, but due to her poor health, it was impossible to surgically remove it. She used to joke about it and finally one day, she quickly died from it. The one health aide found her dead in her favorite chair. Still, most people have no idea that they have an aneurysm that might kill them.

 

[Toni]

I wonder if he had been diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm before this fatal event?

Probably not. Most cases get diagnosed accidentally, e.g. through an ultrasound looking for something else.

Location also plays a big role, with ascending aorta aneurysms being most difficult to repair.

True but he was old enough that it was not unlikely that he would face at some point in the last several years to have required a scan that might have revealed the aneurysm.

I'm 6 years older than him and I haven't had any type of heart scan in about a decade. If he had a history of heart disease, he might have had some kind of cardiac tests, but people without heart disease can have torn or ruptured heart valves. Former poster Jobar,s brother in law died of an aortic aneurysm about 10 years ago, but he was a heavy smoker and that was likely the problem. He was probably about 55 or 60 when he died, so one never knows when these things might happen. Ironically, when he had the aneurysm, he and his wife were getting ready to attend a funeral. He always seemed very healthy whenever we saw him.

Ah, I know someone who underwent abdominal aortic aneurysm repair a while back. The actual aneurysm had been discovered some years early and was quite small. The risks of surgery were greater than the risks of monitoring so it was monitored for several years before the aneurysm grew to be of significant enough size that repair was necessary. The aneurysm was discovered when they had a scan because of a hernia, I believe. Sometime in their early 60/s, I think.

Yes. Sometimes an aneurysm can be detected early, but my point is that not very many people have a routine scan just because of their age. I did have one patient who had a brain aneurysm that was detected many years prior to her death from it, but due to her poor health, it was impossible to surgically remove it. She used to joke about it and finally one day, she quickly died from it. The one health aide found her dead in her favorite chair. Still, most people have no idea that they have an aneurysm that might kill them.

What I meant is that it would not have been surprising if Graham had had an abdominal scan at some point by age 71.

 

[bilby]

What I meant is that it would not have been surprising if Graham had had an abdominal scan at some point by age 71.

Moderately unusual, perhaps, but not wildly unlikely.

I will be fifty six in August, and have not spent a single night hospital since I left the maternity ward. Each year I age, this fact becomes more surprising, but statistically it's inevitable that there will be a handful
of people who have had the same good luck with health and injuries.

And of course, if he had a scan before the aneurysm became detectable, it wouldn't have helped, so it's not 71 years without a scan, but more like two or three decades, maybe a lot less if it developed rapidly.

 

[ideologyhunter]

The expected platitudes

He was kind.
A great patriot.
A great father.


etc,etc,etc.

A great...father??? This is Lindsey Graham we're talking about, right?
I'm not sure he was ever a great father. His testosterone was obviously off the charts, and he no doubt had his way with all the buxom farm girls in the Piedmont, but he was no one's baby daddy. But my man was obviously out for all the tail he could get. Or git. I believe he was once caught on a hot mic telling Billy Bush, "They let you do it when you're famous, you know. I just go up and just...just...go 'boomp' right on their scary place."

 

[southernhybrid]

What I meant is that it would not have been surprising if Graham had had an abdominal scan at some point by age 71.

Moderately unusual, perhaps, but not wildly unlikely.

I will be fifty six in August, and have not spent a single night hospital since I left the maternity ward. Each year I age, this fact becomes more surprising, but statistically it's inevitable that there will be a handful
of people who have had the same good luck with health and injuries.

And of course, if he had a scan before the aneurysm became detectable, it wouldn't have helped, so it's not 71 years without a scan, but more like two or three decades, maybe a lot less if it developed rapidly.

I despise hospitals and have only been in one for 3 different reasons in my 77 years, not counting being a newborn, of course. The first time was labor and delivery, the second time was for a rattle snake bite, the most painful experience of my life and the last one was due to seizures secondary to the pain drug tramadol. I left against medical advice twice and threatened to once, but then was discharged after receiving horrible, substandard care. I did spend a few days for the snake bite in a much better hospital, after returning home to San Antonio where I lived at the time, with an excellent doctor who was horrified by how I was treated in the first hospital. I will probably die before allowing anyone to admit me to a hospital again. Thankfully, my surgeon does his knee replacements outpatient as most do now in the US.

Even if Graham had received a scan with the aneurysm, it may not have been properly diagnosed or treatable for that matter. There are way too many incompetent doctors who don't diagnose correctly. I know both from personal experience and from working as a progressional nurse for 42 years. Thankfully, I only worked in hospitals for about 2 years.

Hospitals are great places to get terrible infections, as doctors are the worst when it comes to infection control. Just ask any nurse who has worked in one. I've seen plenty who never wash their hands, including the doctor who cared for the people in a free clinic where I did volunteer work many years ago. Actually, the aides are the best when it comes to hand washing. That was mentioned in a course I took last year on infection control.

Are we off topic enough yet?

 

[ZiprHead]