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OK. So the above is Pete Navarro’s take on how great Trump is doing economically. Obviously it’s great and only going to get better - especially since we’re finally raising tariffs against all the world and protecting our industries.

Thoughts?
 
Adding about 75k jobs average a month. That doesn't seem great. GDP has been tepid. They inhereted an above tepid economy and made it worse. A pesident hasn't had this much influence on an economy since Nixon tried to Whip It.
 
One sparrow doth not a summer make.

Peter Navarro might be a liar or a fraud, but a careful weighing of the evidence shows is he is a lying fraud. He has publically espoused the idea that the importer pays the tariff for the privilege of selling something to an American. This is a lie. Tariffs are a tax collected from the consumer for the privilege of buying a foreign good. There might be a shred of benefit if the tariffs were actually protective, but this has not been the case. Tariffs are imposed on Trump's whim as a brainless display of power. The latest Canadian tariffs promise to stifle American auto production. US and Canadian factories have created a very efficient interdependent supply system which depends upon free movement both ways across the border.

The jobs report is much like the unemployment statistics. It's a moving target in the past and subject to revision. A wise economist never takes one month's report as a sign of anything. By the time the toner is dry, everything could have reversed. Three months in a row is a hint of a trend, not an economic miracle.

Navarro has to crow about the jobs report because that's the shred of good news for Trumpnomics. He certainly can't brag about inflation or the national debt.
 
No one gets to argue for Trump's economy when Trump said he doesn't care about affordability. You can ignore anything they say.
 
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OK. So the above is Pete Navarro’s take on how great Trump is doing economically. Obviously it’s great and only going to get better - especially since we’re finally raising tariffs against all the world and protecting our industries.

Thoughts?
Peter Navarro is an ideologue who know little about economics. It is interesting that he touts manufacturing gains last month while neglecting the losses since Trump took office the 2nd time. In 2024, it was about 12.8 million, now it is about 12.64 million.

It is well know and well documented that protectionism tends to benefit small groups of producers, their suppliers and employees, while harming a larger group - all users of the protected product. Add in the increase in gasoline stemming from our ongoing victory over Iran, and Trumponomics is pretty much a disappoint (to say the least).
 

OK. So the above is Pete Navarro’s take on how great Trump is doing economically. Obviously it’s great and only going to get better - especially since we’re finally raising tariffs against all the world and protecting our industries.

Thoughts?
Peter Navarro is an ideologue who know little about economics. It is interesting that he touts manufacturing gains last month while neglecting the losses since Trump took office the 2nd time. In 2024, it was about 12.8 million, now it is about 12.64 million.

It is well know and well documented that protectionism tends to benefit small groups of producers, their suppliers and employees, while harming a larger group - all users of the protected product. Add in the increase in gasoline stemming from our ongoing victory over Iran, and Trumponomics is pretty much a disappoint (to say the least).
I think of the US and tariffs on Canada. Greer, idiot with a law degree who majored in undergrad in International Studies, going on about the best deal for Canada, trading wits with Mark Carney former head of national banks of Canada and Britain! It is middle school intermural verses the Pros... and the Trump Admin thinks they are the pros because the US GDP says so.
 
When millions of jobs were added under Clinton, "But those are shitty jobs" became the GOP rallying cry. They didn't like unemployment, but they didn't like employment either. I suppose we could play the same game, but Democrats, as much shit as I give them, just don't have that spirit of shameless disingenuousness in them.

As for the economy being great?

Yeah, fuck you. While most memes are just fun or stupid, I read one recently that rang true: "I can't leave the house without spending $300."

Today, my tank is almost empty, so that's going to be $100 or so. I need to go grocery shopping, so that's going to be $150 when it used to be $100. I also need to buy cat food and litter. Thus, I will spend about $300 when I leave the house today.
 
That jobs report is bullshit.
Not necessarily. However, it is one jobs report. Job creation during the duration of Trump's second term has been shaky.

What I notice is the press says the number is great, but back when Obama was President, it was a sign of the end times.
 
When millions of jobs were added under Clinton, "But those are shitty jobs" became the GOP rallying cry. They didn't like unemployment, but they didn't like employment either. I suppose we could play the same game, but Democrats, as much shit as I give them, just don't have that spirit of shameless disingenuousness in them.

As for the economy being great?

Yeah, fuck you. While most memes are just fun or stupid, I read one recently that rang true: "I can't leave the house without spending $300."

Today, my tank is almost empty, so that's going to be $100 or so. I need to go grocery shopping, so that's going to be $150 when it used to be $100. I also need to buy cat food and litter. Thus, I will spend about $300 when I leave the house today.
Navarro can spin data to fit his narrative all he wants. At the end of the day, all that matters is gas and groceries.

Friday we get the CPI report.

And Trump is still squeaking about interest rates but doesn’t have Powell to beat up any longer. It’s his boy in there now.
 
Trumponomics is working great, make no mistake.
Trump is up over 100% for his term so far, and making more billions by the month.
The problem is trumpsuckers - the ones who elected him and the ones who continue to enable him.
 
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The Consumer Price Index increased 0.4% last month after edging up 0.1% in July, the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics said on Friday. In the 12 months through August, consumer inflation advanced 3.4% after rising by the same margin in July.
 
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The Consumer Price Index increased 0.4% last month after edging up 0.1% in July, the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics said on Friday. In the 12 months through August, consumer inflation advanced 3.4% after rising by the same margin in July.
With the recent spike in oil prices caused by our glorious victory in Iran the fed will likely raise rates next Thursday, and probably more than the anticipated quarter point.
 
The Consumer Price Index increased 0.4% last month after edging up 0.1% in July, the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics said on Friday. In the 12 months through August, consumer inflation advanced 3.4% after rising by the same margin in July.
With the recent spike in oil prices caused by our glorious victory in Iran the fed will likely raise rates next Thursday, and probably more than the anticipated quarter point.
Now Trump's appointee, Warsh will have to do exactly what Trump doesn't want.
 
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It's working for Trump.
This is a use of the word "working" with which I am not familiar.

As the noted financier Billy Ray Valentine said, "The best way to hurt rich people is to make them poor people." This actually applies to the entire economic strata. The bedrock of Trump support has always been people who have vague grievances. The one thing that unites them is holding a grudge. Just like the man who married a woman he loved wakes up one day and realizes he can't stand the sight of her, Trump supporters who are paying $5+ for diesel know who is responsible.

As a group, Trump supporters tend to be fairly stupid, but make a stupid person feel stupid and you'll get a sudden shift in his grudge. Trump won the last election by blaming the economy on Joe Biden. Now, he's the last man standing and there's no one else to blame.
 
So reading some more interesting analysis. This economy relies on cheap oil. Trump will try to ramp down strikes on Iran to get oil flowing again. But Iran may be smarter than to let him. They’ve learned that they can absorb punishment. They may force more attacks in about a month. They want those straits to be effectively closed at least through the midterms and beyond. Their Houthi allies have now captured the west coast of Yemen and can threaten the straits of Bab Al Mandab. Trump has staved off disaster by drawing down the SPR. But the authorized draw down has had to slow and will not be viable past another 6-8 weeks. That’s when the shit will hit the fan economically - just in time for the midterms. WTI is now about $100. You won’t see it sink much. If the SPR is stopped without a deal with Iran to reopen the straits then expect WTI to soar to well over 150/bbl or significantly more than that. It’s insane.

Trump might realize this and he could effectively surrender to Iran. Agree to whatever they want. But that won’t work. They’re likely hell bent on revenge and refuse to negotiate until there’s a change in the administration.

We may be in for a rough economy ahead. If there’s no deal to get the mid east oil flowing again we can expect shortages. Back to 1974 gas lines and what not. Scary times.
 
Trump might realize this and he could effectively surrender to Iran. Agree to whatever they want. But that won’t work. They’re likely hell bent on revenge and refuse to negotiate until there’s a change in the administration.
I doubt the Iranian government care much about the administration. From Tehran, America looks like America, and Trump looks like every other US President - a liar who will side with Israel and bomb Iran on a whim, and who will be replaced in a few years by someone who will happily ignore any and all international agreements made by their predecessors.

As such, it matters not one whit what America agrees to - all agreements with America are strictly short-term anyway.

Iran has no reason to reopen the strait without imposing heavy tolls on all shipping. The Trump-Netanyahu attempt to decapitate the Islamic Revolution on Feb 28th was an insane gamble, and its failure has broken the region irreparably. There is no way back, not for the current US administration, nor for any foreseeable future administration.

Negotiations require at least a minimum level of trust that the other party will abide by the outcome of those negotiations. Tehran has every reason to withhold that trust, and it will require decades of careful and consistent diplomacy to even get to that minimum level.

The USA is incapable of such long-term consistency while it remains conceivable that the Republican party might be put in a position to determine foreign policy; And it is hard to envisage how such an eventuality could become inconceivable - perhaps the rise of a new party to replace the GOP in the two party system would do it, but then again, perhaps not.

You broke it; You bought it. The final price is hard to calculate, but it won't be cheap, and might even be the end of almost a century of US hegemony.

When global power goes away, it usually takes the former hegemon many decades to realise that they're no longer in charge. The British Empire was mortally wounded by the Great War, but it took three decades, and another World War, before they stopped thinking they were still running the world.

The US hegemony may well not survive the destruction rained upon their global reputation by Trump; China seems best placed to step in and fill the void, if they are smart enough not to fuck it up by being too hasty. As long as they leave Taiwan alone until the US is no longer capable of even attempting to project military power across the Pacific - and China is adept at playing a very long game - nothing will stop them.
 
As long as they leave Taiwan alone until the US is no longer capable of even attempting to project military power across the Pacific - and China is adept at playing a very long game - nothing will stop them.
 
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