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Louisiana is around #49 or 50 when it comes to the states with the highest poverty rates. They need a boost, and I hope this endevour can help.
I find it hard to argue with that. People will hate Musk and maybe rightly so for a number of reasons, but this isn't one of them.
Meanwhile, the Gulf Coast is sinking. Because the ground is so crap, it can't support itself!
Maybe?

Before committing to such a large project and investment SpaceX would know what it can and can't do with respect to physical construction. Can you say with any factual basis that what they plan to do is impossible? It's safe to say that Elon Musk and his teams didn't just show up in Louisiana on a larf, get wasted on Bourbon Street, and come to the overall conclusion of, "Fuck it, why not? This place is fun!"
They will tear up a bunch of shit and make a huge mess and leave the public to clean up the mess. They went where they found the most pliable state government.

30 launches a day. That talk is tripping into grifter territory. But they’ve got glitzy videos so let’s build out that marsh. It will be great.
 
The DOGE experience should show everyone how much respect Musk has for government. So it’s not like Louisiana hasn’t been adequately warned.
 
DOGE fixed EPA, Interior, commerce so there is no federal recourse for damage Musk may do. Now in LA they took out the state too. Rather they partnered with the state to make sure that people have no recourse. Not sure what to call it when the corporations and government merge in that way…
 
DOGE fixed EPA, Interior, commerce so there is no federal recourse for damage Musk may do. Now in LA they took out the state too. Rather they partnered with the state to make sure that people have no recourse. Not sure what to call it when the corporations and government merge in that way…
SpaceX was approved to trade 600+ acres of land to add to a refuge for 700+ acres of Rio Grande refuge. That would be more for less. The age of the billionaire.
 
I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
 
I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
What... the geotechnical conditions of the nearly undeveloped Louisiana Gulf Coast would automatically become viable for constructing launch pads because Musk wasn't involved?

Musk is part of the issue because he gets these wildly ridiculous ideas and thinks they are viable and that he is super special and can transcend reality. In reality, all Musk is really good at is hype, raising capital, and being the worst person on Earth to work with. He got the property for a song because it is awful land, from the surface to miles deep.
 
I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
What... the geotechnical conditions of the nearly undeveloped Louisiana Gulf Coast would automatically become viable for constructing launch pads because Musk wasn't involved?

Musk is part of the issue because he gets these wildly ridiculous ideas and thinks they are viable and that he is super special and can transcend reality. In reality, all Musk is really good at is hype, raising capital, and being the worst person on Earth to work with. He got the property for a song because it is awful land, from the surface to miles deep

I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
What... the geotechnical conditions of the nearly undeveloped Louisiana Gulf Coast would automatically become viable for constructing launch pads because Musk wasn't involved?

Musk is part of the issue because he gets these wildly ridiculous ideas and thinks they are viable and that he is super special and can transcend reality. In reality, all Musk is really good at is hype, raising capital, and being the worst person on Earth to work with. He got the property for a song because it is awful land, from the surface to miles deep.
Okay, so you keep going on about this, but you have no access to the information being used to assess the viability of what SpaceX is proposing to do. You have a single news article on which you're relying to give what you believe is an informed opinion.

A rough but close analogue is the recent news about that lady that killed her three kids. Everyone on the internet seems to think they know the story, but they don't.

I used to practice law and here's a short list of what neither the public or I know:

What the police report(s) said.
What the defendant told the police/detectives, if anything
What the defendant told their attorney because those are confidential conversations
What any and all of the attorneys, paralegals, or even assistants discussed about the matter
Any of the dealings between counsel
Why a negotiated sentence wasn't reached and what the barriers were to that
What happened in each and every hearing leading up to trial
What the trial briefs and the law and arguments contained therein were
What the jury selection rules were
Who was in the jury selection pool that didn't get picked and why
Why the jurors selected were selected
The preparation that went into direct and cross eximination
The actual questions asked during direct and cross examination
Who the expert witnesses were and why they were selected by each side
What the burden of evidence is in each argument/request/analysis

And on and on and on.

The reality is that very, very few know anything about that shit yet feel confident in coming to whatever conclusion they want based on pre-existing beliefs.

You appear to be doing the same thing. You know a couple of general things about the overall deal and nothing more. You don't have access to 99% of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.

So what, SpaceX just showed up and said, "We'll give you $100 billion dollars to do some shit"? And the state of Louisiana said, "Oh okay, do you know what you want to do?" And then SpaceX said, "I dunno, just a bunch of stuff."? Then LA said, "Cool. Whatevs."?
 
I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
What... the geotechnical conditions of the nearly undeveloped Louisiana Gulf Coast would automatically become viable for constructing launch pads because Musk wasn't involved?

Musk is part of the issue because he gets these wildly ridiculous ideas and thinks they are viable and that he is super special and can transcend reality. In reality, all Musk is really good at is hype, raising capital, and being the worst person on Earth to work with. He got the property for a song because it is awful land, from the surface to miles deep

I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
What... the geotechnical conditions of the nearly undeveloped Louisiana Gulf Coast would automatically become viable for constructing launch pads because Musk wasn't involved?

Musk is part of the issue because he gets these wildly ridiculous ideas and thinks they are viable and that he is super special and can transcend reality. In reality, all Musk is really good at is hype, raising capital, and being the worst person on Earth to work with. He got the property for a song because it is awful land, from the surface to miles deep.
Okay, so you keep going on about this, but you have no access to the information being used to assess the viability of what SpaceX is proposing to do. You have a single news article on which you're relying to give what you believe is an informed opinion.
I did find a geotech report for a location on Pecan Island that says embankments over 5 feet shouldn't be constructed, the soil is that bad. Based on the geotech report, I calc'd about 9 inches of settlement from a 250 psf load on a 5 x 5 ft footing. That is nuts. One of the soil tests for unconfined compression was 60 psf. Then best was around 450 psf, which is very low.
A rough but close analogue is the recent news about that lady that killed her three kids. Everyone on the internet seems to think they know the story, but they don't.
This is what I do for a living. So there is that. The project area is sinking around 1 inch per three years, due to consolidation of the soils itself (former Mississippi delta and much much older river deposits that extend very deep!) and tectonic movement due to ice melting up north. I believe I cited this already. Whatever they build there will sink over time... and rocket launch pads are sensitive to differential settlement.
The reality is that very, very few know anything about that shit yet feel confident in coming to whatever conclusion they want based on pre-existing beliefs.
Seems so. You are still talking about it.
You appear to be doing the same thing. You know a couple of general things about the overall deal and nothing more. You don't have access to 99% of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
I don't have access to the allegedly 250 or so feet deep borings that they are drilling. I am not aware of the soil conditions as they exist below 30 feet. However, I do know this region is notorious geotechnically speaking. That is why, despite being on the Gulf Coast, where people love to rain money down on property, there is almost nothing there.
So what, SpaceX just showed up and said, "We'll give you $100 billion dollars to do some shit"? And the state of Louisiana said, "Oh okay, do you know what you want to do?" And then SpaceX said, "I dunno, just a bunch of stuff."? Then LA said, "Cool. Whatevs."?
There are several issues here.
  • First, SpaceX wrote a check for the property. Now LA has that cash. SpaceX does nothing and LA made some money.
  • Musk has grandiose ideas about 30 launches a day! Where in the world is that demand coming from?! Life on the Moon and Mars is going to suck. We aren't developing colonies for several decades to a century at best.
  • And back to the... this place sucks and that is why no one has anything there. Louisiana struggles to keep the ground sticking around! Add in settlement without building a thing, flood plains, occasional tropical weather, this site sucks! So of course Louisiana took the money. This ground will not stop dropping.
Developing a launchpad facility here is going to cost a fortune to maintain, let alone build. The shaft or pile supported mats will be extremely expensive, and the ground below the piles will still be dropping. Just getting the equipment on site is going to be bother. Then the massive amounts of soil fill they have to mobilize there, then dump. and then wait for years for primary consolidation to complete. They might need to wait and stage the surcharging too. $25 to $100 billion to develop this site that won't have near the demand Musk wants to exist.
 
I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
Coal and the wealth it brought was extracted from Appalachia. It did not bring wealth to Appalachia. Health, safety, and environmental standards will be side stepped and law was created to block legal recourse here. It’s slightly less bad than paying in scrip and having goons to keep people from making too much noise.
 
I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
Coal and the wealth it brought was extracted from Appalachia. It did not bring wealth to Appalachia. Health, safety, and environmental standards will be side stepped and law was created to block legal recourse here. It’s slightly less bad than paying in scrip and having goons to keep people from making too much noise.
So what era are you talking about here and how is this SpaceX project comparable to the days when company stores existed?
 
Yeah, all you folks fretting about the rockets are, and I mean this in a neighborly sense, so full of shit. Do you not realize, or care, that:

> The rockets will be carrying Flock cameras into space? We will be able to read the license tags on all of Xi's rockets and all of Putin's. We can track them and if necessary shoot them down. Only a very stupid person would not know this.

> George Soros has been using his own personal space shuttles to move illegals out of shithole countries and send them by this virtually untraceable mode of travel to secret airstrips outside of Plano, TX; Prescott, AZ; Truth or Consequences NM; and a bunch of other towns. He calls it the Soros Space Caravan (SSC). The rockets will be able to take out all the SSC spacecraft, and they will incinerate as they come down. Incidentally, one of the groups Soros has loaded onto the shuttles is the Yucabri tribe of the rain forest, and they are legit cannibals. So ignore the danger, assholes, and they will not just eat the cats and dogs, they will eat your babies.

> Jewish space lasers are a thing and they are targeting your town, your neighbors, your house. The lasers are specific enough to pinpoint a man walking down Main Street in Anytown, USA, and circumcise him with heat rays. Is this the America you want? Is this what our service men died for? And a few service women? Worth thinking about.
 
I don't know that I'd call that fascism so much as using incentives to bring in more revenue. SpaceX itself may not pay much, if anything in property taxes, but they will be a significant employer (up to 10,000 jobs), which will help provide revenue that way. And once SpaceX is there, Louisiana could eventually change course to a higher tax structure while still being lower than any other state.

Louisiana Economic Development, a state agency, says the facility will include five launch complexes and housing for employees and their families. In the video, Musk says the site will bring around 10,000 jobs to Louisiana.

In every endeavor there are upsides and downsides. LA sees more upside to this than downside. The job of a state government and its federal representatives is to improve the state. It looks like they've done that here. At the same time it takes jobs away from California and provides an example of how it is viable to bail out of high tax states.

In addition:

The announcement event wasn't the only exclusive part of the deal, which the state says brings $100 billion in investment.

LA is one of the poorest states in the Union. It would be negligent for them not to try and improve their lot.
They can’t bring jobs without laws shielding them from any responsibility for negative externalities? Government is shielding them from all liability and that is good? They just buy their way in and fuck the local population just like mineral or petroleum extraction in a third world country. Just look at all the prosperity king coal brought to Appalachia.
Coal did bring a lot of money to Appalachia for a very long time, but at the expense of too many worker's health. However, safety standards have changed a lot since then. Frankly, I think it's a bad comparison to this situation given the changes in safety standards.

It's not realistic to think that a deal of this size is going to be all-good for everyone all the time. Even given that, the upsides here appear to dwarf the downsides.

And what does "buy their way" in mean? They pay the state money and they get the land and construction permits they want. This is standard practice. From the lowest paid construction and eventual maintenance jobs, to the highest management, the project is going to employ thousand of people over X number of years, and it will provide the benefit of technological advancement, the vital maintenance of space missions, and a lot of other things too numerous to count.

My guess is that if Elon Musk wasn't involved a lot of people would be singing a different tune.
Coal and the wealth it brought was extracted from Appalachia. It did not bring wealth to Appalachia. Health, safety, and environmental standards will be side stepped and law was created to block legal recourse here. It’s slightly less bad than paying in scrip and having goons to keep people from making too much noise.
So what era are you talking about here and how is this SpaceX project comparable to the days when company stores existed?
We are in the new guilded age. Company town in Texas for SpaceX. They’ll do similar in LA. And they’ll have state and local law enforcement to do their bidding. And the public to clean up the mess they leave behind. New tech same old script.
 
Yeah, all you folks fretting about the rockets are, and I mean this in a neighborly sense, so full of shit. Do you not realize, or care, that:

> The rockets will be carrying Flock cameras into space? We will be able to read the license tags on all of Xi's rockets and all of Putin's. We can track them and if necessary shoot them down. Only a very stupid person would not know this.

> George Soros has been using his own personal space shuttles to move illegals out of shithole countries and send them by this virtually untraceable mode of travel to secret airstrips outside of Plano, TX; Prescott, AZ; Truth or Consequences NM; and a bunch of other towns. He calls it the Soros Space Caravan (SSC). The rockets will be able to take out all the SSC spacecraft, and they will incinerate as they come down. Incidentally, one of the groups Soros has loaded onto the shuttles is the Yucabri tribe of the rain forest, and they are legit cannibals. So ignore the danger, assholes, and they will not just eat the cats and dogs, they will eat your babies.

> Jewish space lasers are a thing and they are targeting your town, your neighbors, your house. The lasers are specific enough to pinpoint a man walking down Main Street in Anytown, USA, and circumcise him with heat rays. Is this the America you want? Is this what our service men died for? And a few service women? Worth thinking about.
:unsure: I genuinely can't tell if this is serious or satire.
 
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