England headed for A Caliphate

[Bomb#20]

Are you really saying that the brazen and public lies told by Trump and his administration on a daily basis have little effect on public confidence?

Check the numbers yourself.

How do the numbers show "Trump had little to do with it"? I assume you mean the figures on your World Population Review link?

No, I meant the figures at the Pew page I linked. It shows trust levels year by year back to the Eisenhower administration. Americans trusted Eisenhower and Kennedy. Johnson and Nixon thoroughly blew that trust away, it never recovered, and the two Bushes put the nails in the coffin.

 

[TSwizzle]

Birmingham council declare the Union Jack flag haram

Birmingham city council is planning to remove British and St George's flags from lampposts 'to protect public safety'. The council – run by a coalition of the Liberal Democrats, the Greens and independents – launched legal action to ban the flags yesterday.

Daily Mail

The inevitable result of demographics.

 

[Elixir]

The inevitable result of demographics.

Kinda like know-nothing imported Brits waxing prolix about insufferable pricks.
Zero value.

 

[Patooka]

Birmingham council declare the Union Jack flag haram

Birmingham city council is planning to remove British and St George's flags from lampposts 'to protect public safety'. The council – run by a coalition of the Liberal Democrats, the Greens and independents – launched legal action to ban the flags yesterday.

Daily Mail

The inevitable result of demographics.

Makes perfect sense. It would only be a matter of time before EDL and Reform supporters would start hanging swastika flags on lampposts and cry "freedom of speech" if they didn't nip this on the bud. Also, who the fuck attaches flags to lampposts?

 

[Tigers!]

Birmingham council declare the Union Jack flag haram

Birmingham city council is planning to remove British and St George's flags from lampposts 'to protect public safety'. The council – run by a coalition of the Liberal Democrats, the Greens and independents – launched legal action to ban the flags yesterday.

Daily Mail

The inevitable result of demographics.

Makes perfect sense. It would only be a matter of time before EDL and Reform supporters would start hanging swastika flags on lampposts and cry "freedom of speech" if they didn't nip this on the bud. Also, who the fuck attaches flags to lampposts?

Poms obviously.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As to whether Muslims in England are "doing any of that", yes, they are. The rape gangs all over Britain are violence against whole communities; and a UK Muslim assassinated the opposition even though he was a Muslim*, a UK Muslim assassinated a politician*, and a UK Muslim tried to assassinate another politician* and severely wounded him. Were Jews in Palestine doing any of that by the time their numbers had grown to 6%?

You are missing my main point.

Are the rape gangs being condoned and supported by the government? No. That is the major difference between England and Israel.

Except it's the other way around.

The allegations against Israel contain elements that do not make sense. Of course Israel takes no action against those accused of impossible acts.

But there have been repeated claims with England treating Muslim pedophiles rather like the church has treated pedophile priests.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You are missing my main point.

Are the rape gangs being condoned and supported by the government? No. That is the major difference between England and Israel.

In the first place, yes, the UK government condoned the rape gangs with all the energy of a church hierarchy condoning child-molesting priests. And in the second place, telling us about a major difference between England and Israel cannot possibly have been your main point when you started this subthread:

I don't believe "condone" is the right word.

Neither England nor the church condoned them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Here ya go...

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...781615537601/The+Rape+Gang+Inquiry+Report.pdf

Crowdsource funded, published and chaired by Rupert Lowe, leader of Restore Britain. A report with no legal authority behind it.
Wouldn't be my first choice.

If and when the government report comes out, it will have "the legal power to call witnesses and to require organisations to produce documents and records".
BBC Complaint Inquiry

That is addressing the BBC purportedly failing to address the subject matter adequately. It says absolutely nothing about a lack of veracity in the report.

The source of the report is obviously questionable--but the BBC's response saying, hey, we have covered it is telling.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Peter McLoughlin has compiled a list of all the grooming gang convictions since 1997. To date 275 of the 317 people convicted have Muslim names. This means 87% of the convicts are of Muslim heritage and most likely self-identify as Muslim. Given that Muslims are only 5% of the population, this would mean that a Muslim man is some 127 times more likely to be convicted as part of a grooming gang than a non-Muslim.

The "compiled a list" link throws warnings on my computer and blocks me from it. Do you have an alternate link so I can see the data and methodology?

Link's safe--that's just an expired certificate error.

But it's also useless. 404.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Bold - Exactly.
It's a matter of what we find doing our homework as I've indicated in post #409. Isn't this what critical thinking is all about? Will the government cover things up? Will the press bring it into the light of day?
We should all look at both individuals in charge or their reports, the funding, the reports themselves, and the review of the reports.
Then pick one and push the I believe button.

What I generally find works best is look at what each side says about the other's evidence. Who is using reason, who is using emotion. And evidence that is presented that goes against how you would expect them to lean says more than evidence that agrees with how they lean. (The usual pattern is to cherry pick that which supports their view. Things going the other way tend to be issues too big to ignore.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

UK government to give newly arrived doctors and engineers a pamphlet telling them not to rape the local women.

Asylum seekers have been warned in an official government guidebook not to rape or beat women. The Home Office publication setting out the 'rules and expectations' of living in Britain will be handed to asylum seekers as part of an education campaign. It warns: 'If you have sex with someone without their consent, this is called rape. Rape is a serious crime in the UK.' Last year there were 41,472 arrivals by small boat – most of whom went on to claim asylum – and of those 34,201 were male.

Daily Mail

Diversity is our strength!

I don't like the Daily Mail but it sounds like they actually got one right.

The problem is not with telling people not to rape. The problem is with not looking deeper and explaining the cultural differences that drive much of the problem.

 

[TSwizzle]

The UK Labour party in England (and many other parts of the UK) is totally compromised.

Labour has chosen a councillor who arrived in Britain as a child refugee from Somalia as its candidate for the by-election in Sir Keir Starmer’s former seat. Camden Council leader Sagal Abdi-Wali will stand in Holborn and St Pancras on October 8 after the former prime minister announced he was standing down as an MP last week.

Daily Mail

Inching ever closer, one boat at a time.

 

[ZiprHead]

The UK Labour party in England (and many other parts of the UK) is totally compromised.

Labour has chosen a councillor who arrived in Britain as a child refugee from Somalia as its candidate for the by-election in Sir Keir Starmer’s former seat. Camden Council leader Sagal Abdi-Wali will stand in Holborn and St Pancras on October 8 after the former prime minister announced he was standing down as an MP last week.

Daily Mail

Inching ever closer, one boat at a time.

I don't understand what the issue is here. Can you explain why you have a problem with this?

 

[Tigers!]

The UK Labour party in England (and many other parts of the UK) is totally compromised.

Labour has chosen a councillor who arrived in Britain as a child refugee from Somalia as its candidate for the by-election in Sir Keir Starmer’s former seat. Camden Council leader Sagal Abdi-Wali will stand in Holborn and St Pancras on October 8 after the former prime minister announced he was standing down as an MP last week.

Daily Mail

Inching ever closer, one boat at a time.

I don't understand what the issue is here. Can you explain why you have a problem with this?

If the candidate is a citizen and has not threatened others then it is hard to see what the problem might be right now.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

The UK Labour party in England (and many other parts of the UK) is totally compromised.

Labour has chosen a councillor who arrived in Britain as a child refugee from Somalia as its candidate for the by-election in Sir Keir Starmer’s former seat. Camden Council leader Sagal Abdi-Wali will stand in Holborn and St Pancras on October 8 after the former prime minister announced he was standing down as an MP last week.

Daily Mail

Inching ever closer, one boat at a time.

If she is a candidate then she is an adult. Since she arrived as a child she has been in UK for many years, is obviously now a citizen, and should be judged by her words and actions since she became a citizen, not by her skin-colour, original nationality, or presumed religion.
I notice that you didn't say anything about the Greens candidate.

 

[TSwizzle]

The UK Labour party in England (and many other parts of the UK) is totally compromised.

Labour has chosen a councillor who arrived in Britain as a child refugee from Somalia as its candidate for the by-election in Sir Keir Starmer’s former seat. Camden Council leader Sagal Abdi-Wali will stand in Holborn and St Pancras on October 8 after the former prime minister announced he was standing down as an MP last week.

Daily Mail

Inching ever closer, one boat at a time.

If she is a candidate then she is an adult. Since she arrived as a child she has been in UK for many years, is obviously now a citizen, and should be judged by her words and actions since she became a citizen, not by her skin-colour, original nationality, or presumed religion.

Certainly not her skin colour. But the other two attributes, original nationality and (presumed) religion, teh islam, do come into play.

I notice that you didn't say anything about the Greens candidate.

The Breast Whisperer is a clown.

 

[bilby]

Certainly not her skin colour. But the other two attributes, original nationality and (presumed) religion, teh islam, do come into play.

Then why don't you post here every time a candidate stands who was born outside the UK, or who you presume subscribes to any other stupid religion?

Boris Johnson and Andrew Bonar Law both became Prime Minister, and were born outside the UK.

And we all remember your outraged complaint when Daniel Kawczynski was elected as MP for Shrewsbury in 2005, despite his original nationality being Polish. Oh, wait...

And you will struggle to find more than a handful of MPs who don't subscribe to a religion, and even fewer exist who were not brought up in a religion, even if they later discarded their belief.

No, your excuse doesn't add up. Your motives cannot be what you claim them to be.

Face it; You have a religious conviction that Islam is evil. Not just stupid, or wrong (which it is), but an evil taint that cannot be expunged, once a person has it. Your view of Muslims is that they are fundamentally different from other humans, and that this is a problem whose only possible solution is final. Merely being born a Muslim (something that is, in fact, impossible; And which itself constitutes lazy thinking) is enough for you to be fearful of, and disgusted by, anybody.

We've seen this lazy and cruel attitude towards a particular subset of humanity before, and it ended very badly.

 

[Bomb#20]

Certainly not her skin colour. But the other two attributes, original nationality and (presumed) religion, teh islam, do come into play.

Then why don't you post here every time a candidate stands who was born outside the UK, or who you presume subscribes to any other stupid religion?

Boris Johnson and Andrew Bonar Law both became Prime Minister, and were born outside the UK.
...

You know you're just being silly here, right? Johnson and Law were both British by original nationality since their fathers were born in the UK.

(And Law could hardly have been originally Canadian anyway since Canada wasn't a country yet. Everyone born in Canada was a British subject.)

 

[TSwizzle]

the islamic invasion of the UK and Europe continues.

The chilling scenes came as the Home Office confirmed 781 migrants arrived on Wednesday, beating the previous high for this year of 752 on July 29. It means 1,085 migrants reached Britain across the Channel in the first three days of this week. The 781 arrivals were more than five times the average number seen on a 'red day' – when weather conditions and other factors make Channel crossings more likely – in the first eight months of this year.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp said the number of small-boat migrants to have entered Britain under Labour - at 83,279 - has now topped the number of full-time soldiers in the British Army. 'Labour has let an entire Army-sized population cross the Channel illegally,' Mr Philp said. 'More people have arrived in small boats than we have soldiers defending Britain. That is completely bonkers.

Daily Mail

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

the islamic invasion of the UK and Europe continues.

The chilling scenes came as the Home Office confirmed 781 migrants arrived on Wednesday, beating the previous high for this year of 752 on July 29. It means 1,085 migrants reached Britain across the Channel in the first three days of this week. The 781 arrivals were more than five times the average number seen on a 'red day' – when weather conditions and other factors make Channel crossings more likely – in the first eight months of this year.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp said the number of small-boat migrants to have entered Britain under Labour - at 83,279 - has now topped the number of full-time soldiers in the British Army. 'Labour has let an entire Army-sized population cross the Channel illegally,' Mr Philp said. 'More people have arrived in small boats than we have soldiers defending Britain. That is completely bonkers.

Daily Mail

What is bonkers is meaningless comparisons. How many tanks and machine guns do these boat people have as compared with the British Army?
There are more racist morons living in Britain than there are boat people - that is a true crisis - what can be done about it?