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England headed for A Caliphate

Anyway... what makes you believe that muslims in the US have a materially different view?
Actually, polling indicates American Muslims on average are quite a bit more supportive of free speech than British Muslims. It's not clear whether this is because they've absorbed that attitude by osmosis from the First Amendment and from American culture in general taking free speech more seriously than British culture does, or because the US imported better-educated Muslims. My guess is both factors contribute.
 
I don’t know all the migrants. {snip} They are just sleeper cells though. I understand now. We must treat them all as the terrorists they really are or they are going to replace us.

Nobody here has said they are all terrorists. Precious few are actual terrorists thankfully. But do not forget and dismiss the atrocities committed by muslims such as the Manchester Arena suicide bombing that killed 22, or the London suicide bombing that killed 50+ or the Madrid train bombings that killed nearly 200 people etc, etc. They do not have to be terrorists to achieve their goal of a caliphate. They just need numbers. And they are really starting to make headway there. Their presence is being felt in local communities and elections. What do you think will happen when the muslim population increases to the point where they outnumber the indigenous population? muslims are not in Europe to assimilate fella. They are coming to Europe to conquer.
You will not replace us!
 
How much alcohol do you have to drink in order
At least we can still drink alcohol.:happydrinking:
to come up with such silly straw men?
No "straw men" here:
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing. England consists of a bunch of decrepit old gas bags who still mourn the loss of their ill-gotten empire.

In any case, the human-caused climate change that Swizzle denies is going to bring an avalanche of climate refugees from the brown countries, so that by itself will put an end to contemporary UK and Europe. Too bad, so sad.
Not only did your response avoid the question , it made it even more relevant. An influx of Muslims does not mean submitting to Islamists.
It does increase the possibility though
 
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing.
As a woman, I deeply and strongly disagree with your view on this.
Yes but you are not allowed to say that publicly. Might trigger some people.
 
How much alcohol do you have to drink in order
At least we can still drink alcohol.:happydrinking:
to come up with such silly straw men?
No "straw men" here:
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing. England consists of a bunch of decrepit old gas bags who still mourn the loss of their ill-gotten empire.

In any case, the human-caused climate change that Swizzle denies is going to bring an avalanche of climate refugees from the brown countries, so that by itself will put an end to contemporary UK and Europe. Too bad, so sad.
Not only did your response avoid the question , it made it even more relevant. An influx of Muslims does not mean submitting to Islamists.
It does increase the possibility though
How so?
 
How much alcohol do you have to drink in order
At least we can still drink alcohol.:happydrinking:
to come up with such silly straw men?
No "straw men" here:
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing. England consists of a bunch of decrepit old gas bags who still mourn the loss of their ill-gotten empire.

In any case, the human-caused climate change that Swizzle denies is going to bring an avalanche of climate refugees from the brown countries, so that by itself will put an end to contemporary UK and Europe. Too bad, so sad.
Not only did your response avoid the question , it made it even more relevant. An influx of Muslims does not mean submitting to Islamists.
It does increase the possibility though
How so?
If 20% of a population want Sharia law (for example) introduced you can probably ignore them. If 40% of the population want sharia law itroduced it is much harder to resist esp. you if you hold that the will of the majority must be respected.
 
How much alcohol do you have to drink in order
At least we can still drink alcohol.:happydrinking:
to come up with such silly straw men?
No "straw men" here:
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing. England consists of a bunch of decrepit old gas bags who still mourn the loss of their ill-gotten empire.

In any case, the human-caused climate change that Swizzle denies is going to bring an avalanche of climate refugees from the brown countries, so that by itself will put an end to contemporary UK and Europe. Too bad, so sad.
Not only did your response avoid the question , it made it even more relevant. An influx of Muslims does not mean submitting to Islamists.
It does increase the possibility though
How so?
If 20% of a population want Sharia law (for example) introduced you can probably ignore them. If 40% of the population want sharia law itroduced it is much harder to resist esp. you if you hold that the will of the majority must be respected.
Um, 40% isn’t a majority. Nor do Muslims necessarily support Islamists.
 
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing.
As a woman, I deeply and strongly disagree with your view on this.
Yes but you are not allowed to say that publicly. Might trigger some people.
She just did, and the only thing it triggered was your absurd response.

I am growing tired of people telling me that we are not allowed to say the stuff that somebody literally just said. Wouldn't it be easier just to wear a T-shirt that reads "I so desperately want to be a victim of opression"?
 
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing.
As a woman, I deeply and strongly disagree with your view on this.
Yes but you are not allowed to say that publicly. Might trigger some people.
She just did, and the only thing it triggered was your absurd response.

I am growing tired of people telling me that we are not allowed to say the stuff that somebody literally just said. Wouldn't it be easier just to wear a T-shirt that reads "I so desperately want to be a victim of opression"?
Oh you can say but it is some people's responses that are the problem. Being called a fascist, Islamphobic, anti-semtitic because you dared disagree with with the latest fad du joure.
 
I’m thinking a huge influx of Muslims into Europe, and especially the UK, would be a good thing.
As a woman, I deeply and strongly disagree with your view on this.
Yes but you are not allowed to say that publicly. Might trigger some people.
She just did, and the only thing it triggered was your absurd response.

I am growing tired of people telling me that we are not allowed to say the stuff that somebody literally just said. Wouldn't it be easier just to wear a T-shirt that reads "I so desperately want to be a victim of opression"?
Oh you can say but it is some people's responses that are the problem. Being called a fascist, Islamphobic, anti-semtitic because you dared disagree with with the latest fad du joure.
Meh. If you deride somebody's fad, they might call you names. So what? Both parties are excercising their free speech.

"Being called a fascist, Islamphobic, anti-semtitic" won't hurt you any more than your daring* to disagree with them hurt them.

You are not being brave when you say something that offends others. Any more than they are not allowing you to say that thing when they object.

* Hint - disagreeing with an opinion, however popular, is not "daring". Charging an enemy machine gun nest is daring. Jumping out of a plane at high altitude is daring. Asking your girlfriend to marry you is daring.
 
The UK government is actively supporting the invasion

Protesters have gathered in a south coast town as more than 100 people believed to be migrants were brought ashore after crossing the Channel in a small boat. A number of people were seen arriving at a marina in Gosport, Hampshire, having been transported aboard two RNLI boats late on Sunday. Their dinghy appeared to have set off from near Utah Beach in Normandy during the morning, according to ship tracking data.

French media reported there were about 120 migrants on board.

BBC
 
More cultural enrichment arriving in the UK.

More than 1,200 illegal immigrants have crossed the English Channel since Friday, GB News can exclusively reveal. Today alone, more than 500 have already made the crossing in multiple boats. Another migrant dinghy is still en route, and authorities in the UK and France are preparing for hundreds more to cross tomorrow. It is an astonishing surge in migrant crossings over such a short period, at a time of year when the number of illegal dinghy crossings would normally slow down significantly. Their arrival into Gosport in Hampshire sparked hundreds of angry protesters to attempt to block roads in and around the port last night.

GB News
 
More cultural enrichment arriving in the UK.

More than 1,200 illegal immigrants have crossed the English Channel since Friday, GB News can exclusively reveal. Today alone, more than 500 have already made the crossing in multiple boats. Another migrant dinghy is still en route, and authorities in the UK and France are preparing for hundreds more to cross tomorrow. It is an astonishing surge in migrant crossings over such a short period, at a time of year when the number of illegal dinghy crossings would normally slow down significantly. Their arrival into Gosport in Hampshire sparked hundreds of angry protesters to attempt to block roads in and around the port last night.

GB News
How many need to land before England is a Caliphate?
 
Note that GB News and the Daily Mail never have banner headlines "No illegal immigrants crossed the Channel today!", even though that's a far more common occurrence than hundreds arriving.

Hundreds of arrivals per day is just an indication of good weather. Usually, by October, the weather in the English Channel isn't so great, and arrivals taper off. But not this year.

So ironically, this story is about climate change.

Nothing to see here, fella. Zero refugees arrived by small boat today at Santa Monica.
 
Those "similar" cases are packaged in another thread, but if this thread has any meaning and focus beyond Primal Scream Therapy, they are not relevant to how the UK is failing and its particular potential solutions, which no one has yet to describe.
Um, I kind of did.

You tried.

Well, the prima facie simplest approach would be to monitor channel traffic from the air, spot a migrant boat early, have a navy vessel wait for it just shy of the median line and cross into French waters to stop it before it enters UK waters, take the migrants on board, sail them back to the nearest French port, and put them ashore. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the law of the sea is that's all legal since the boats are overloaded and unseaworthy, making it legally a rescue.
I also originally thought this was simple. However, I had done some quick reading on this earlier, and the reality is that French authorities simply won't allow it. While maritime law certainly requires rescuing people from unseaworthy boats, a UK vessel cannot legally cross into French sovereign waters, sail into a French port, and unload people without France's explicit permission.
We may need an actual lawyer to settle this, but my understanding is France has no legal right to refuse to let them be unloaded unless it can find a third country to agree to take them.

Sovereign nations do not allow foreign navies to sail into their ports and offload unvetted populations against their will. Any attempt by British naval or Border Force vessels to force entry into French territorial waters to drop off migrants without French consent would be a breach of national sovereignty and international maritime law.

If individuals themselves enter French jurisdiction and present a claim, France is bound by treaty to process them. But when migrants are actively leaving French shores for the UK, France has zero legal obligation to accept foreign military transports landing on its coast.

But maybe France would simply ignore its obligations,

There is no obligation to ignore in the first place.

in which case yeah, the UK would probably find it unworkable to force the issue.

That is precisely why the situation is so intractable--and it was made significantly harder when the UK chose to exit the EU and lost access to shared European returns frameworks. It's the very same people, i.e. the pro-Brexit people, who are now blaming everyone else for a situation that they exacerbated.

That may all be unnecessary though. France is taking money from Britain to stop the boats. They're doing a half-assed job of it, and there have been widely publicized cases of French police standing by and watching boats being launched, and of the French navy escorting boats across to British waters, but they're allegedly getting better about it; and they'd probably get better faster if the UK government had the will to condition the payments on measured performance.

But ultimately, if in the end France proves completely obstinate, there's a fallback solution that doesn't rely on French cooperation: the UK can simply criminalize unauthorized entry and hold illegal aliens it catches in detention facilities until they say where they're from or it finds someone who agrees to take them. If migrants in France know that's what will happen to them if they cross the channel they'll stop coming. People respond to incentives -- that's the whole of economics.

You keep relying on the term "illegal aliens," but under the 1951 Refugee Convention (to which the UK is a foundational signatory), crossing a border without prior authorization to seek asylum is explicitly protected from criminal penalty.

This isn't an oversight; it was forged out of the grim history of 20th-century Europe, WWII, and the Holocaust, where refugees fleeing authoritarian regimes rarely had the luxury of obtaining legal travel documents first. Mass, indefinite detention without trial violates domestic human rights law and international treaties the UK has agreed to abide by.

There is no such thing as an "illegal" or "bogus" person seeking asylum. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.
It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country: there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.
The 1951 Refugee Convention guarantees everybody the right to apply for asylum. It has saved millions of lives. No country has ever withdrawn from it.

More fundamentally, you and I are two laymen on a forum debating legal loopholes, while thousands of actual international lawyers, diplomats, and policy experts have spent years struggling to navigate these exact same constraints. The sheer friction of international law, national sovereignty, and human rights obligations explains why this issue is so notoriously difficult for any British government to solve, not merely the Labour government or some particular Muslim official.

Here is an AI-generated listing of refugees to the UK from Muslim-majority countries, such as Afghanistan, starting a few years before Brexit for a baseline, continuing up to today:
AI Sparkles AI Generated Content

Asylum Seekers by Year (Focusing on Muslim-Majority Regions)​

In the UK, statistical breakdowns are tracked by nationalities rather than religion. The top asylum origins from Muslim-majority regions historically include Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Sudan, and Somalia.
The total UK asylum applications (all nationalities) and figures for top Muslim-majority region claimants were:
YearGovernment in PowerTotal Asylum Applicants (Main Applicants)Key Regional Highlights
2016Conservative (Cameron / May)~30,600Syrian Resettlement Scheme active (over 20,000 Syrians resettled between 2014–2020). Iran consistently top applicant origin.
2017Conservative (May)~26,300Stable application rates; mostly air/port arrivals.
2018Conservative (May)~29,500Channel "small boat" crossings first emerge as a recorded route.
2019Conservative (May / Johnson)~35,700Pre-COVID uptick. Iran remains #1 nationality claiming asylum.
2020Conservative (Johnson)~29,400COVID-19 border closures caused a brief global drop.
2021Conservative (Johnson)~48,500Fall of Kabul triggers ~39,000 Afghan relocations/resettlements. Small boat routes expand.
2022Conservative (Johnson / Truss / Sunak)~74,800Peak of small boat arrivals; Albania temporarily spikes, alongside Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
2023Conservative (Sunak)~67,300Initial decision grant rate hit historical high (~76%) to clear backlogs.
2024Conservative --> Labour (Starmer mid-year)~84,000Record overall influx (~104,800 total individuals included). Top claims from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Sudan.
2025Labour (Starmer)~82,100Slightly down from 2024 peak. Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, and Eritrea remain top origins.
(Sources: UK Home Office Immigration System Statistics & House of Commons Library Research)



Given how genuinely complex these legal realities are, why jump to the absurd conclusion that the UK's policy struggle is evidence of a grand, intentional plot to engineer a demographic "Caliphate"? We don't need a vast state conspiracy when the messiness of international law already explains why there are no simple answers. When we look at the data, we see one year lag for travel out of countries post-Brexit (2020 initially to lagged 2021) when Conservative government was in charge. The following year we have a second almost doubling of numbers due again to lagged travel out of Afghanistan (2021 initially to lagged 2022) and again Conservatives were in charge of the government. We can predict that numbers may go up again because people will also be fleeing Iran due to the massive problems there with the US war.
 
The BBC is so silly.

The number of children who were toilet-trained before starting school this year has increased significantly in a city where parents were given potty training guides with their first school offers.

BBC

For this article about kids pooping their pants, in every single picture, the people are white. They must have dug deep in the archive to find such pictures.

No wonder people are done with this institution.
 
The BBC is so silly.

The number of children who were toilet-trained before starting school this year has increased significantly in a city where parents were given potty training guides with their first school offers.

BBC

For this article about kids pooping their pants, in every single picture, the people are white. They must have dug deep in the archive to find such pictures.

No wonder people are done with this institution.

York is ~93% White and so you should expect to see a classroom that looks like this:
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That said, if you want me to start a thread for you that "HeLP, TeH BBC is MaKing it Look like White Kids are PoOPing their PanTS!!!111" I'll do it.
 
The UK Green Party just declared that "Zionism is racism" and now support the destruction of Israel.

UK's Greens adopt ‘Zionism is racism’ motion, become Europe’s first mainstream anti-Zionist party

Jerusalem Post said:
The Green Party has become the first mainstream party in Europe to declare itself openly anti-Zionist after voting in the controversial "Zionism is Racism" motion at its party conference in Brighton, UK, on Sunday, passing the motion 1,022 votes to 813.
Amendment III - which would have protected Jewish people from being expelled if they belong to synagogues that define themselves as Zionist - also failed to pass, with 684 votes in support and 1,026 against.
[...]
The motion recognizes Zionism as Israel’s foundational ideology that has created and maintains an apartheid regime between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.
It further affirms the right to self-determination and liberation of the Palestinian people and supports the establishment of a “single democratic Palestinian state in all of historic Palestine, with Jerusalem as its capital.” This would effectively eradicate the State of Israel.
On Saturday, Zack Polanski told the conference, "We stand with one voice now as we say: 'Drop the charges. End the genocide. Deproscribe Palestine Action.'"

"Palestine Action" by the way, is a violent group that has broken into military installations and damage property, including weapons destined for Ukraine. During one of their actions, one of these PA idiots hit a policewoman in the back with a sledgehammer.

This move is to a large extent because Green Party wants to appeal to the increasingly important Muslim vote. They are also competing for Muslim vote in the St. "Pancreas" byelection where Labour nominated a hijabi Muslim woman, no doubt in order to try to peel off some Muslim vote away from the Greens.
Labour and Greens push for Muslim voters' support in London by-election


And as more and more Muslim mass migrants continue to flood in, it will get worse and worse, and harder to stop, much less reverse.
 
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