England headed for A Caliphate

[bilby]

Most of SE Asia is Buddhist and Taoist. Unless you count India, which is mostly Hindu.

India isn’t generally considered SE Asia.

Hence my "unless you count".

Indonesia and Malaysia are Muslim
Dominant, with it being the state religion in Malaysia. Over 40% of the population is Muslim.

Sure. And if those countries were the majority of SE Asia, you would be right. Sadly, China is massively populous, undeniably SE Asia, and not Muslim. So you are wrong.

 

[barbos]

How did the DM determine they were all Muslim?

That's the type that is coming over in these boats. Is that proof that all of them are? Of course not. But vast majority of them are, and mostly from countries like Afghanistan where the people are highly Islamist.

A lot of the boat people are coming from places in Africa where they have been driven out by Russian mercenaries in order to cause headaches for the west. Sending them home is killing them.

Give me a break, it is you who literally supports Al Qaeda in Africa in order to attack chiristians.
Russia do try to expell remnants of french colonialism in Africa, that's true.

 

[bilby]

Give me a break, it is you who literally supports Al Qaeda in Africa in order to attack chiristians.

I am pretty confident that @Loren Pechtel doesn't support Al Qaeda in Africa, or indeed, anywhere else.

Does your propagandist job come with long shoes, baggy pants, and a red prosthetic nose supplied; Or are you expected to provide your own?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What the hell is Europe doing?

Western Europe is slowly being invaded by the muslim hordes. I actually thought France would be the first to fall but I think England may fall first. And looking at the players Germany fielded the other day, they won’t be far behind. Danke Merkel.

You do understand people like yourself and derec have been saying this for over 2 fucking decades right?

For fucks sake just wake me up when your doomsday wet dream comes about. I reckon it will happen 4 weeks after the yellow peril I was warned when I was a kid comes about.

Islam plays the long game. It is no more apocalypse tomorrow than climate change is. But not being apocalypse tomorrow doesn't mean it's not a serious problem.

 

[Elixir]

Western Europe is slowly being invaded by the muslim hordes.

Just like Murka is being invaded by Trumpsucking opportunistic Europeans, but slower.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

“Muslim hordes.”

I am much more concerned with the sleeper cells of aging white male racists who are MAGGOTS, and who religiously watch Fox News and read The Daily Mail, and who reside right here in the U.S. They are the real threat.

The maggots are the biggest threat at present but that doesn't mean the Islamists aren't a threat. Going all in against the threat da jour means you let other threats sneak up on you. Sensible if the threat da jour is something like astrophage, but otherwise it's a bad idea.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Spain did quite well under the Muslims for almost 800 years,

Do tell.

Slavery in al-Andalus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Another category was that of sexual slavery. Islamic law prohibited a man from having sexual intercourse with any woman except his wife or his female slave. Female slaves were used for both prostitution as well as private concubines. Islamic law formally prohibited prostitution. However, since Islamic law allowed a man to have sexual intercourse with his female slave, prostitution was practiced by a pimp selling his female slave on the slave market to a client, who returned his ownership of her to her former owner (the pimp) on the pretext of discontent after having had intercourse with her, which was a legal and accepted method for prostitution in the Islamic world.​

One hopes that will be replicated in decrepit old Britain.

Looks like your hopes are being fulfilled in Rotherham et al.

And note that Islam has no restriction on the duration of marriage. Temporary marriage is a thing--which can be for an hour.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There has been sexual slavery and prostitution everywhere, including here today in the good US of A, and you may have noticed that the U.S. was founded on slave labor and grew with the help of Chinese laborers who were treated little better than slaves. What I was referring to is the fact that in Muslim Spain, Muslims, Jews and Chrisitians lived compatibly, in sharp contrast to the stereotype of Muslims as terrorist tyrants.

Sure, Islam is not guilty of anything that Christianity hasn't done. It's just Islam still is doing it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A Primark security guard who posted Islamic State (IS) propaganda videos and shared images of himself masked and wielding a large knife has been jailed. Luqmaan Ahmed, 24, was given a three-and-a-half year prison sentence for what a judge said were ‘horrific’ videos. Manchester Crown Court heard the first clip – posted to Ahmed’s Instagram in September 2022 – featured fighters in combat fatigues carrying guns with captured prisoners and a black IS flag waving in the background. Ahmed also published two Instagram 'stories' – videoclips which only remain online for 24 hours – showing executions and suggesting support for the extremist terror group. Ahmed, of Rusholme, Manchester, was sentenced on Monday after being convicted of three charges of encouraging terrorism at a trial in July. The court heard the fanatic posted the September 2022 video clip while awaiting sentencing for a charge of encouraging terrorism – after posting similar material encouraging people to fight in Syria for Al Qaeda-linked group four years earlier, when he was a teen. He and another youth posted propaganda videos made by 'armed militia' opposing the Assad regime in Syria on Instagram having become obsessed with the war following the Manchester Arena attack in 2017. He had allegedly been encouraging others to join and fight for the al-Qaeda-linked Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham militant group, as well as disseminating numerous pro-jihadist training videos via his Instagram and WhatsApp accounts. Primark security guard Ahmed attended Burnage Academy, the same school as Manchester Arena bomber Salman Abedi

Daily Mail

There is a high price to be paid for spicy foods.

Are you suggesting that he shouldn't have been jailed?

Or are you suggesting that evidence that people who commit crimes are jailed, is somehow evidence that there is a crime problem that isn't being addressed?

How would that even work?

Some guy tries to incite violence; He is jailed. Why is this even a story you consider worthy of inclusion in this thread? Does jailing violent extremists inevitably lead to a caliphate? Do you want him to be released?

This guy got caught.

But what about the Omani guy--his own government wouldn't let him fly because of his extremism. Somehow FlyDubai let him be a pilot. And then he botched it, failed to actually kill the captain and the captain managed to open the door. He then tried to crash the plane (his original intention was to 9/11 Tel Aviv airport) but the passengers got to him in time. And there was another flight crew on board that was able to bring the crippled jet down safely.

 

[pood]

There has been sexual slavery and prostitution everywhere, including here today in the good US of A, and you may have noticed that the U.S. was founded on slave labor and grew with the help of Chinese laborers who were treated little better than slaves. What I was referring to is the fact that in Muslim Spain, Muslims, Jews and Chrisitians lived compatibly, in sharp contrast to the stereotype of Muslims as terrorist tyrants.

Sure, Islam is not guilty of anything that Christianity hasn't done. It's just Islam still is doing it.

Reallty? Are there doing these horrible things in Indonesia, which has by far the most Muslims in the world?

 

[bilby]

This guy got caught.

But what about the Omani guy--his own government wouldn't let him fly because of his extremism. Somehow FlyDubai let him be a pilot. And then he botched it, failed to actually kill the captain and the captain managed to open the door. He then tried to crash the plane (his original intention was to 9/11 Tel Aviv airport) but the passengers got to him in time. And there was another flight crew on board that was able to bring the crippled jet down safely.

Well, what about him? He wasn't in England; He wasn't going to England; He wasn't even likely to ever visit England as part of his job (FZ are a short-haul operation).

What about his case affects England in any way whatsoever? As an Omani living in the UAE, it would be slightly unusual for him not to be a Muslim; As a pilot for FlyDubai, it is extraordinarily unusual that he was a terrorist, which is why his case is international news.

"Islamic extremists are rare, but surprisingly not entirely nonexistent, in the UAE aviation community" is a very difficult fact from which to build the conclusion "...therefore England is at risk of becoming a Caliphate". I would be very interested to see how you get there, from there.

Does Primark UK employ a lot of security guards who are former UAE airline pilots?

Or is your unstated argument simply along the lines of "Muslim extremists exist, therefore we should all be terrified of all Muslims all the time"?

 

[DrZoidberg]

What the hell is Europe doing?

Western Europe is slowly being invaded by the muslim hordes. I actually thought France would be the first to fall but I think England may fall first. And looking at the players Germany fielded the other day, they won’t be far behind. Danke Merkel.

You do understand people like yourself and derec have been saying this for over 2 fucking decades right?

For fucks sake just wake me up when your doomsday wet dream comes about. I reckon it will happen 4 weeks after the yellow peril I was warned when I was a kid comes about.

Islam plays the long game. It is no more apocalypse tomorrow than climate change is. But not being apocalypse tomorrow doesn't mean it's not a serious problem.

What? What plan? Islam isn't a conspiracy. There's no game. There's no plan. The behaviour of Muslims, on population level, is simply a result of the belief system.

Yes, dealing with Islam, in a western liberal democratic context is a problem. But that's not because Muslims are trying to be difficult or are particularly adversarial. I think, for most part, they're trying really hard not to.

i think the problem is just more fundamental. Western liberal culture has a foundation in Christianity. Its just a different way to think than Islam. It just creates problems, even when people are trying not to. Its not a problem of malice or even ignorance. Its just two systems of thought that are mismatched imho

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And Muslim countries have been laggards when it came to abolishing slavery too.

And of course, there is still a huge problem with forced labor in Muslim countries like the UAE and Qatar.

So much for your apologetics for the supposed progressive Islam that you think is so superior to western societies.

Calling it "forced labor" doesn't make it not slavery.

 

[bilby]

Calling it "forced labor" doesn't make it not slavery.

Nor does limiting it to convicts.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And yes, the British empire consisted of ill-gotten gains.

I don’t “rejoice” in western societies coming to an end, even despite the atrocities they have inflicted on so many, far greater than Islamic societies have. I simply note that their time is coming to an end, for a variety of reasons, including the climate change they have infiicted upon the world in their grubby greed.

I have no hatred for anyone. I have hatred for vile acts, which are rife in Western societies. See: support for genocide in Gaze for a contemporary example. There are many other historical examples.

Islam has never had the ability to do as widespread damage as the west has. But that doesn't change the fact that in current times Islam is the source of much of the horrors in the world. And so many on the left are unwilling to look at it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

MAGGOTS is dehumanizing language?

Yes, it most definitely is.

It’s a play on MAGA, whose members appear to hate everyone except their own ilk. Again, I am turning the tables on them, and giving these fucks a taste of their own medicine. If that happens to include you, tough shit.

One can reject the excesses of MAGA without drifting into what you are doing - rejecting western societies and thinking that Islamic world is somehow better and that it should dominate the West.

If you reject the excesses why do you object to "maggots"? We've seen what maga actually stands for and it's basically 100% evil. They have brought up some real issues but their answers to the problems are always bad. For example, DEI. Yes, there's a real issue, but that doesn't justify the standard MAGA response to a problem of finding the closest person that's not a white male and blaming them for it. Or look at how they still trust AI. Brain Worm recently said the AI was far better than a doctor. Reality--there was a recent study that showed the AI was "as good as" the doctor when looking at the notes in the file. In other words, it can reproduce the doctor's thought process--that does not mean it can create it! The AI fares very badly when it has to ask the questions.

 

[TSwizzle]

What? What plan? Islam isn't a conspiracy. There's no game. There's no plan.

Clearly you do not understand teh islam. The plan is that islam becomes the dominant religion on earth and everyone submits to it.

The behaviour of Muslims, on population level, is simply a result of the belief system.

Well, duh!

Yes, dealing with Islam, in a western liberal democratic context is a problem. But that's not because Muslims are trying to be difficult or are particularly adversarial. I think, for most part, they're trying really hard not to.

What?! Even the different sects of islam kill each other when they get the chance.

i think the problem is just more fundamental. Western liberal culture has a foundation in Christianity. Its just a different way to think than Islam. It just creates problems, even when people are trying not to. Its not a problem of malice or even ignorance. Its just two systems of thought that are mismatched imho

It's much more than that and you know it.

 

[Derec]

Free speech for Muslims, but not for anybody else:

This is her:
British doctor to be prosecuted over support for Hamas, antisemitic, anti-Zionist posts



The most ironic things about people like her is that she would be arrested in Hamas' Gaza or Saudi Arabia. I mean "whore, where is your hijab?" ...

 

[Derec]

If you reject the excesses why do you object to "maggots"?

One reason is that dehumanizing language should be rejected no matter who is being targeted.

We've seen what maga actually stands for and it's basically 100% evil.

Another is that people like pood do not restrict themselves to actual MAGAs, but they use this kind of language against everybody who is opposed to their ideology.

They have brought up some real issues but their answers to the problems are always bad.

No disagreement here, but see above. That said, ...

The AI fares very badly when it has to ask the questions.

AI can be used as a tool making doctors more efficient. For example, radiology. It can review many images quickly and flag abnormalities that then can be reviewed by an actual radiologist.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

None white anglicans so they should be killed; sink the boats and drown them at sea.

Surely, there must be some middle ground between "let them all in as long as they show up in the vicinity of our borders" and "kill them all".

OK. So what is that middle ground? How does it work?

A boat is intercepted approaching the Kent coast. Its occupants have no papers, and refuse to say where they originated. What happens next, in your ideal world?

How does it differ from what currently occurs? What laws and international treaties (if any) would need to change to permit your preferred course of action? How many nations would need to change their laws?

Look in a mirror. You inter them on an island rather than let them into Australia. It's ugly but this is a no-win situation.

And note that many of those fleeing "religious persecution" are Jihadists from more moderate countries.