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Progressives betray voters and back a Zionist speaker

 
 
 
Who are these weird theoretical people who criticize Israeli colonizing, but think the Sykes-Picot based states and their gradual Arabization were a feckin great idea? I don't think many people see the creation of "Arab states" as any more a positive historical development than the creation of Israel. I do oppose slaughtering people because of an animosity I think they "most likely have", though. No. Guessing that someone might feel something is not a valid justification for murder. Living in a particular country is not a crime none of us are offered a choice on where to be born.

Derec said:
To reiterate: if someone thinks that there should be no Jewish state, but that there should be e.g. Arab states, how do you explain that except that they most likely have an animosity toward Jewish people?
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ZiprHead said:
crustnews.com

More Than a Million Sign Petitions to Oust AIPAC Funded Jeffries and Schumer

More than a million people want Hakeem Jeffries out as Speaker, and a second petition wants Chuck Schumer gone too after AIPAC cheered them both.
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I think that the left's needs to be careful of its attacks on evil AIPAC donations. It deeply smells of bias. I get that people are pissed at Israel. But no other lobby group gets nearly this amount of attention. Why? The source of AIPAC money is 100% Americans. There is no Israeli money in the PAC. It's not directed by Israel. Often times, AIPIC is at odds against Netanau and the settler movement. AIPAC is fully transparent and follows all US disclosure laws. There are tons of bad US PACs. There are PACs for former slave owners, a PAC for Elon Musk (fuck Musk), and etc. There is even a right wing "republican Jewish PAC". But I find the attacks on AIPAC to be creepy and dangerous.
 
ZiprHead said:
crustnews.com

More Than a Million Sign Petitions to Oust AIPAC Funded Jeffries and Schumer

More than a million people want Hakeem Jeffries out as Speaker, and a second petition wants Chuck Schumer gone too after AIPAC cheered them both.
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Crust News? Really?

And why do you think AIPAC donations are such a problem, but see nothing wrong with groups like CAIR or groups affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood or George Soros?

Hell, AES even has a SuperPAC called "Habibi PAC".
 
Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
crustnews.com

More Than a Million Sign Petitions to Oust AIPAC Funded Jeffries and Schumer

More than a million people want Hakeem Jeffries out as Speaker, and a second petition wants Chuck Schumer gone too after AIPAC cheered them both.
crustnews.com crustnews.com
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Crust News? Really?
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Do you doubt there is a petition because Crust news reported it? Otherwise your critisism is meaningless.

Derec said:
And why do you think AIPAC donations are such a problem, but see nothing wrong with groups like CAIR or groups affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood or George Soros?

Hell, AES even has a SuperPAC called "Habibi PAC".
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Oh NOES!!!
 
Harry Bosch said:
ZiprHead said:
crustnews.com

More Than a Million Sign Petitions to Oust AIPAC Funded Jeffries and Schumer

More than a million people want Hakeem Jeffries out as Speaker, and a second petition wants Chuck Schumer gone too after AIPAC cheered them both.
crustnews.com crustnews.com
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I think that the left's needs to be careful of its attacks on evil AIPAC donations. It deeply smells of bias. I get that people are pissed at Israel. But no other lobby group gets nearly this amount of attention. Why? The source of AIPAC money is 100% Americans. There is no Israeli money in the PAC. It's not directed by Israel. Often times, AIPIC is at odds against Netanau and the settler movement. AIPAC is fully transparent and follows all US disclosure laws. There are tons of bad US PACs. There are PACs for former slave owners, a PAC for Elon Musk (fuck Musk), and etc. There is even a right wing "republican Jewish PAC". But I find the attacks on AIPAC to be creepy and dangerous.
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It's because they openly and audibly support the continued Israeli attacks in Gaza. People just don't support the murder of thousands of innocent civilians.
 
Van Hollen announces challenge to Schumer to lead the Senate. The Maryland Democrat said the country’s election called for change but acknowledged he is an underdog for the role.

Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Maryland) said Thursday that he is challenging Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-New York) to be majority leader in the next Congress, triggering a power struggle barely a week after Democrats recaptured the Senate in the midterm elections.

“The voters called for big change, and this is a time that we have to deliver for people across the country,” Van Hollen said in an interview about his decision.

If successful in an uphill bid against Schumer, Van Hollen would preside over a majority of at least 55 Democrats that could stymie President Donald Trump’s agenda during his final two years in the White House.
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ZiprHead said:
Yeah. I could see how that would be really bad. :rolleyes:
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Of course it would be.
How about Jasmine Crockett? I think she'd be great.
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What do you think recommends her as Speaker? Jeffries has experience is House leadership as Minority Leader and before that as Chair of the Democratic Caucus. That alone makes him more suitable for the minefield that is Speakership.
 
Playball40 said:
It's because they openly and audibly support the continued Israeli attacks in Gaza.
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The only reason there are "continued Israeli attacks in Gaza" is because Hamas has neither disarmed nor given up power. Quite the opposite, in fact.
IDF Believes Hamas Rebuilding Weapons Arsenal in Gaza, Possesses Hundreds of Missiles
People just don't support the murder of thousands of innocent civilians.
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The people who protest in favor of 10/7 attacks with slogans like "Resistance is justified" ("resistance" is euphemism for Hamas and other terror groups) do not have any problems with Jewish civilians getting massacred or kidnapped.
And the blood of the dead Palestinian civilians is also on the hands of Hamas and its allies. They have started this war, and they conduct the war in such a way that they deliberately maximize civilian casualties. They do so by continuously operating from civilian areas, and they do it because the useful idiots in the West swallow their propaganda hook, line and sinker.
 
Derec said:
Playball40 said:
It's because they openly and audibly support the continued Israeli attacks in Gaza.
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The only reason there are "continued Israeli attacks in Gaza" is because Hamas has neither disarmed nor given up power.
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3 years of devastation, destruction and death didn’t do the job. Fascinating.
 
laughing dog said:
3 years of devastation, destruction and death didn’t do the job. Fascinating.
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  • 3 years is not that long a time. Compare it to 20 years of US in Afghanistan.
    • And during last year, IDF could only operate in a very limited fashion inside Hamas-controlled areas due to the "ceasefire".
  • Hamas has been severely degraded, both in people and material, although they still maintain their genocidal zeal
    • this is as good an outcome as can be expected
    • Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc. will be with us as long as the illegitimate ayatollah regime is in power in Tehran
 
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In case anyone cares, below are Jefferies actual current position on Israel/Gaza conflict:

  • He strongly supports Israel's right to exist and defend itself and has long been considered a pro-Israel Democrat. [jeffries.house.gov], [jfeed.com]
  • He has repeatedly condemned Hamas and called for the release of Israeli hostages. [jeffries.house.gov], [jeffries.house.gov]
  • At the same time, he has become increasingly critical of the humanitarian situation in Gaza, calling the starvation and deaths of Palestinian civilians "unacceptable" and urging a large increase in humanitarian aid. [jeffries.house.gov], [jeffries.house.gov]
  • He supports a two-state solution, with "a safe and secure Israel" living alongside an independent Palestinian state that provides dignity and self-determination for Palestinians. [usnews.com], [jeffries.house.gov]
  • In late 2026, Jeffries said the "status quo is unacceptable" and called for "dramatic change" in Gaza, the West Bank, and aspects of U.S. policy toward Israel. He also suggested greater scrutiny of U.S. military aid arrangements with Israel.
 
Harry Bosch said:
In case anyone cares, below are Jefferies actual current position on Israel/Gaza conflict:

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Those two points are enough to make him anathema among the Hamas Caucus1, no matter what else he says.

1 Hamas Caucus - people like newly elected Congresscritters Adam Hamawy, the associate of the Blind Sheikh (original WTC bombing mastermind) and Avila Chevalier, who organized pro-Hamas demos during her time at Columbia
 
Derec said:
Harry Bosch said:
In case anyone cares, below are Jefferies actual current position on Israel/Gaza conflict:

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Those two points are enough to make him anathema among the Hamas Caucus1, no matter what else he says.

1 Hamas Caucus - people like newly elected Congresscritters Adam Hamawy, the associate of the Blind Sheikh (original WTC bombing mastermind) and Avila Chevalier, who organized pro-Hamas demos during her time at Columbia
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You really are a broken record.
 
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