Jade Helm 15

[Rhea]

Wouldn't it be a laugh riot if the ultimate goal of this massive military training exercise were to mobilize all military assets in Texas and remove them to less thuggish states?

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna make it so Texas is just pretended (~wink, wink~) to be "enemy" and the training goal will be to try to acquire all of the "enemy's" (~wink, wink~) assets and liberate them.

After the exercise, we'll ~surely~ put it all back!

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I for one welcome the UN Armies invading Texas to force them to put a bike path in every city.

OPPRESSION!

 

[Keith&Co.]

Wouldn't it be a laugh riot if the ultimate goal of this massive military training exercise were to mobilize all military assets in Texas and remove them to less thuggish states?

Well, then we'd have been better off labeling Texas a 'friendly,' and drive all the military forces off to hostile territory like Arkansas and Montana to 'fight the war.'

of course, if the tea party loonies were right, we'd have likely labeled Texas as 'friendly' territory, too, to lull them into false security right up until we pinched their guns and militarized their police, their Border Patrol and their ice cream vans....

 

[Kharakov]

The Jade gate is entered helm first....

 

[Saint_of_Me]

Wouldn't it be a laugh riot if the ultimate goal of this massive military training exercise were to mobilize all military assets in Texas and remove them to less thuggish states?

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna make it so Texas is just pretended (~wink, wink~) to be "enemy" and the training goal will be to try to acquire all of the "enemy's" (~wink, wink~) assets and liberate them.

After the exercise, we'll ~surely~ put it all back!

I lived in Austin for several years--went to UT--and can definately say that Texas is a "State of Mind." LOL

Austin is actually a very progressive city..not nearly as thuggish as the rest of the state. It is truly a blue city in a red state.

I would never be surprised if Texas seceded. Many Texans want to, and "Secede" bumper stickers out there are as common as oxygen molecules. Right along with those "Keep Austin Weird" stickers.

I am not sure as to the economic viability of any given state actually seceding. Wouldn't doing that eliminate all Fed funding? (Of which, I would imagine Texas needs desperately, just like California.

But that empty suit Rick Perry, a couple years ago, in a true cut off your nose to spite your constituents' face, actually DID refuse some much-needed funding from Obama. You know, just because. What a twit.

 

[hinduwoman]

Walmart stores are also going to be used as concentration camps. The Texas Governor actually ordered the state militia to keep watch over the military.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04...rders-state-militia-monitor-u-s-military.html

The questions fielded by Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Mark Lastoria, were bizarre and driven by madness leading Lastoria to assure the crowd that there would be no intelligence gathered on non-participants, no Texans’ property would be confiscated, and no psychological operations would be conducted. Participants’ suspicion of the Obama administration drove their demands to know why they had not been individually notified about the exercise; likely because they will be conducted on private property with the expressed approval of the landowners.
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Apparently the fear mongering has become so virulent that some Texas Rangers (cops, not baseball players) are preparing to mobilize and ‘defend the Constitution‘ when the invasion and assault on the Constitution goes down

Obama takeover, military and Walmart. I simply cannot get over Walmart factor.

The mind of the Texas governor must be a fascinating place.

 

[dystopian]

I am not sure as to the economic viability of any given state actually seceding. Wouldn't doing that eliminate all Fed funding? (Of which, I would imagine Texas needs desperately, just like California.

Every US state is economically viable as an independent entity (the same goes for almost every other region in the world with sufficient size and population to stand on its own). Even Vermont, the state with the lowest total GDP, could be economically viable as an independent country. An immediate secession without a transitional period would produce a lot of economic chaos, however, which could take a while to recover from.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Walmart stores are also going to be used as concentration camps. The Texas Governor actually ordered the state militia to keep watch over the military.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04...rders-state-militia-monitor-u-s-military.html

The questions fielded by Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Mark Lastoria, were bizarre and driven by madness leading Lastoria to assure the crowd that there would be no intelligence gathered on non-participants, no Texans’ property would be confiscated, and no psychological operations would be conducted. Participants’ suspicion of the Obama administration drove their demands to know why they had not been individually notified about the exercise; likely because they will be conducted on private property with the expressed approval of the landowners.
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Apparently the fear mongering has become so virulent that some Texas Rangers (cops, not baseball players) are preparing to mobilize and ‘defend the Constitution‘ when the invasion and assault on the Constitution goes down

Obama takeover, military and Walmart. I simply cannot get over Walmart factor.

The mind of the Texas governor must be a fascinating place.

Ha! Texas Walmarts as concentration camps. Yes, they are going to force Texans to live in Walmart and eat at the McDonald's inside. Oh, the horror of it all.

 

[Toni]

Walmart stores are also going to be used as concentration camps. The Texas Governor actually ordered the state militia to keep watch over the military.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04...rders-state-militia-monitor-u-s-military.html



Obama takeover, military and Walmart. I simply cannot get over Walmart factor.

The mind of the Texas governor must be a fascinating place.

Ha! Texas Walmarts as concentration camps. Yes, they are going to force Texans to live in Walmart and eat at the McDonald's inside. Oh, the horror of it all.

Yes, but would your average Texan see this as being placed in a concentration camp or heaven?

 

[marc]

I am not sure as to the economic viability of any given state actually seceding. Wouldn't doing that eliminate all Fed funding? (Of which, I would imagine Texas needs desperately, just like California.

Every US state is economically viable as an independent entity (the same goes for almost every other region in the world with sufficient size and population to stand on its own). Even Vermont, the state with the lowest total GDP, could be economically viable as an independent country. An immediate secession without a transitional period would produce a lot of economic chaos, however, which could take a while to recover from.

Yes, most states could be viable if run well. But we are talking about states run by Republicans, which already take in more money from the government than they pay out in taxes. They would have to start actually balancing a budget, deal with a population of crazies like from the Bundy ranch, and develop their own international policies. I'd say 10 years max before they turn into a third world country.

 

[dismal]

Tip 1: Texas has a 1.5 trillion GDP, roughly equivalent to Russia or Canada
Tip 2: Texas is not a net receiver of federal money
Tip 3: bigotry and ignorance not a good combination

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ate-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

 

[Keith&Co.]

Tip 1: Texas has a 1.5 trillion GDP, roughly equivalent to Russia or Canada
Tip 2: Texas is not a net receiver of federal money
Tip 3: bigotry and ignorance not a good combination

It's that reading-for-content problem again, dismal.
He said that REPUBLICANS take more money than they pay in taxes. He's saying the people who'll be in charge of the state will likely use it as their personal piggy bank, but without federal funds to take the load off of the state economy.

 

[SimpleDon]

I am not sure as to the economic viability of any given state actually seceding. Wouldn't doing that eliminate all Fed funding? (Of which, I would imagine Texas needs desperately, just like California.

Every US state is economically viable as an independent entity (the same goes for almost every other region in the world with sufficient size and population to stand on its own). Even Vermont, the state with the lowest total GDP, could be economically viable as an independent country. An immediate secession without a transitional period would produce a lot of economic chaos, however, which could take a while to recover from.

The proper question is would they be better off as an independent country? Not if they would be viable.

A lot would depend on how the succession would be handled. The last time that states succeeded from the union it didn't turn out too well. (Google Civil War.)

For example, will the states that succeed take on their share of the national debt? Will they they develop their own currency? Will they continue to use national defense as a form of Keynesian corporate welfare and jobs program like the US does now? Will they adopt a minimal government like Kansas?

Ironically the level of government in the US that screams bloat, needless duplication, lack of transparency, unresponsiveness and inefficiency is the state level. It is an 18th century anachronism, government for a horse and buggy era trying to find some relevance in the 21st century.

 

[dismal]

Tip 1: Texas has a 1.5 trillion GDP, roughly equivalent to Russia or Canada
Tip 2: Texas is not a net receiver of federal money
Tip 3: bigotry and ignorance not a good combination

It's that reading-for-content problem again, dismal.
He said that REPUBLICANS take more money than they pay in taxes. He's saying the people who'll be in charge of the state will likely use it as their personal piggy bank, but without federal funds to take the load off of the state economy.

Wtf does republicans I'm other states taking money have to do with texas?

Texas is not a net taker of money now so it will not lose money if it secedes. Period. This particular argument is over.

"ZOMFg but teh republicanzzz11!!" Is not a coherent argument.

 

[James Brown]

If Texas secedes, I'm out of here. If my wife won't join me, I may have to hit some of you up to sleep on your couch until I get settled.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

If Texas secedes, I'm out of here. If my wife won't join me, I may have to hit some of you up to sleep on your couch until I get settled.

You are not out of there. If Texas secedes, the rest of the US is putting up a big wall to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking into the country and trying to steal their jobs and women.

 

[Rhea]

Walmart stores are also going to be used as concentration camps. The Texas Governor actually ordered the state militia to keep watch over the military.
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My mind read this as,

Walmart stores are also going to be used as contraception camps.

Now you know where all the birth control went, and how the soldiers are going to make you use it!

The mind of the Texas governor must be a fascinating place.

Mine, too, I'm afraid.

 

[funinspace]

I just read about this today. Having a governor and US Senator channeling this, is quite mind boggling. Yeah, I get that there will always be nutters, and the internet makes it easier for them to share their insanity. The for the Texas governor to feed into this shit and encourage it is just…un-fucking believeable. And the Carnival (Ted) Cruz had to join in on the pandering to the nutters:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...sked-the-pentagon-for-answers-on-jade-helm-15

Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz said Saturday that he'd been hearing concerns about Jade Helm 15, a domestic military training exercise that has become a fount of conspiracy theories, and that he wanted questions about it to be answered.

"My office has reached out to the Pentagon to inquire about this exercise," Cruz, a Texas senator, told Bloomberg at the South Carolina Republican Party's annual convention. "We are assured it is a military training exercise. I have no reason to doubt those assurances, but I understand the reason for concern and uncertainty, because when the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration, the natural consequence is that many citizens don't trust what it is saying."
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Cruz was more plugged in. "I have a great deal of faith and confidence in Governor Abbott," said the senator. "He is a long-time friend and mentor of mine. You know, I understand a lot of the concerns raised by a lot of citizens about Jade Helm. It's a question I'm getting a lot. And I think part of the reason is we have seen, for six years, a federal government disrespecting the liberty of the citizens. That produces fear, when you see a government that is attacking our free speech rights, or Second Amendment rights, or religious liberty rights. That produces distrust."

And a plugged in church to boot:



What is scary for me personally, is that I have an in-law family that might very well believe this insanity as well. They post on Facebook stuff from some of these nutter sites promoting this Jade Helm 15 garbage.

 

[marc]

Tip 1: Texas has a 1.5 trillion GDP, roughly equivalent to Russia or Canada
Tip 2: Texas is not a net receiver of federal money
Tip 3: bigotry and ignorance not a good combination

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ate-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Interesting. Thank you for that information.

So out of 31 Republican states 87% are taking in more than they pay out, with Texas being one of four exceptions. That pretty much supports my point, with Texas being a rare exception that possibly could survive on its own... though I doubt it.

Oh, and no bigotry involved. The data you presented supports my generalization.

 

[dismal]

Tip 1: Texas has a 1.5 trillion GDP, roughly equivalent to Russia or Canada
Tip 2: Texas is not a net receiver of federal money
Tip 3: bigotry and ignorance not a good combination

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ate-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Interesting. Thank you for that information.

So out of 31 Republican states 87% are taking in more than they pay out, with Texas being one of four exceptions. That pretty much supports my point, with Texas being a rare exception that possibly could survive on its own... though I doubt it.

Oh, and no bigotry involved. The data you presented supports my generalization.

Yes, if only generalizations sufficed in a discussion about a specific state where the generalization did not apply you nailed it.

Well, not really. You also have a silly premise that a state can't survive as a country if it loses its inflow of federal dollars. The size of the lost inflow would certainly need to be placed into perspective to the size of the state's economy at a minimum. And one could also consider the other options for how the lost inflow might be offset by, say, not operating as big of a military per capita.