Islam just can't stand images of Mohammed

[Metaphor]

Drawing pictures of Mohammed and letting it be known that you are doing it is morally brave.

Refraining from drawing pictures, and rebuking those who do, is moral cravenness.

You confuse immature stupidity and mindless provocation with bravery.

To provoke for no other reason but to provoke is not something any adult should respect.

I have the freedom to call every obese ugly person I see ugly and obese. But I would be some kind of senseless moron if I did it.

But it's not for no other reason, is it? If every obese ugly person killed people for calling them obese and ugly, the morally brave would keep doing it until the obese and ugly psychopaths stopped killing people for calling them obese and ugly.

You want to further indulge the spoiled child because you're afraid of the tantrum that the child will have unless he is soothed and placated at all times.

 

[untermensche]

There is a world of difference between lampooning absurd ideas and personal assaults.

What happened in Texas was insane and mindless provocation for no other reason than to provoke.

It wasn't about lampooning ideas.

That is a third-rate rationalization for stupidity.

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You confuse immature stupidity and mindless provocation with bravery.

To provoke for no other reason but to provoke is not something any adult should respect.

I have the freedom to call every obese ugly person I see ugly and obese. But I would be some kind of senseless moron if I did it.

But it's not for no other reason, is it? If every obese ugly person killed people for calling them obese and ugly, the morally brave would keep doing it until the obese and ugly psychopaths stopped killing people for calling them obese and ugly.

You want to further indulge the spoiled child because you're afraid of the tantrum that the child will have unless he is soothed and placated at all times.

It is not morally brave to excite people to violence for no other reason than to watch it happen.

In your world Dick Cheney was morally brave by lying about the danger Iraq posed in 2003.

 

[Metaphor]

What happened in Texas was insane and mindless provocation for no other reason than to provoke.

It wasn't about lampooning ideas.

That is a third-rate rationalization for stupidity.

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You confuse immature stupidity and mindless provocation with bravery.

To provoke for no other reason but to provoke is not something any adult should respect.

I have the freedom to call every obese ugly person I see ugly and obese. But I would be some kind of senseless moron if I did it.

But it's not for no other reason, is it? If every obese ugly person killed people for calling them obese and ugly, the morally brave would keep doing it until the obese and ugly psychopaths stopped killing people for calling them obese and ugly.

You want to further indulge the spoiled child because you're afraid of the tantrum that the child will have unless he is soothed and placated at all times.

It is not morally brave to excite people to violence for no other reason than to watch it happen.

In your world Dick Cheney was morally brave by lying about the danger Iraq posed in 2003.

How is it for 'no other reason'?

On the day that Muslims stop killing people for drawing cartoons, then that is the day people will stop drawing cartoons that provoke Muslims into killing people.

It has nothing to do with mindless provocation (of the 'bear' or whatever other animal the mindless defenders of violence are going to compare Muslims to), and everything to do with preventing freedom of speech from being destroyed.

 

[skepticalbip]

What happened in Texas was insane and mindless provocation for no other reason than to provoke.

It wasn't about lampooning ideas.

That is a third-rate rationalization for stupidity.

OK, back to the Christian lampooning comparison. How upset would you be if someone had a drawing "contest" for the best drawing of Jesus masturbating as a lampoon of the deification of Jesus by Christians?

If you don't see a problem with that then why would you see a problem with the best Mohammad lampoon drawing?

 

[untermensche]

How is it for 'no other reason'?

Because nobody gives a shit that they can't draw some semi-fictional character from history.

It isn't a freedom people are demanding anywhere.

This contest addressed no real world problem.

It merely aimed to provoke the most unstable in a religion of a billion.

 

[untermensche]

What happened in Texas was insane and mindless provocation for no other reason than to provoke.

It wasn't about lampooning ideas.

That is a third-rate rationalization for stupidity.

OK, back to the Christian lampooning comparison. How upset would you be if someone had a drawing "contest" for the best drawing of Jesus masturbating as a lampoon of the deification of Jesus by Christians?

If you don't see a problem with that then why would you see a problem with the best Mohammad lampoon drawing?

I don't have a legal problem with it. You and whatever third graders you can find should be free to engage in that activity.

But it isn't anything an adult should be dreaming to do.

It is mindless provocation for no other reason but to provoke. It serves no real world need or purpose.

It serves the emotional needs of some twisted individual.

I won't base any society around the twisted emotional desires of a tiny minority.

 

[Metaphor]

How is it for 'no other reason'?

Because nobody gives a shit that they can't draw some semi-fictional character from history.

It isn't a freedom people are demanding anywhere.

This contest addressed no real world problem.

It merely aimed to provoke the most unstable in a religion of a billion.

I give a shit and it's a freedom I demand.

 

[Metaphor]

OK, back to the Christian lampooning comparison. How upset would you be if someone had a drawing "contest" for the best drawing of Jesus masturbating

That....that sounds kinda hot.

In the 1970s, a satirical cartoon called 'Jesus fucking Christ' showed a depiction of a traditionally Jesus-looking figure having butsecks with an identical Jesus-looking figure.

Number of Christians who went on a killing rampage at this blasphemy: zero.

 

[barbos]

Are you really comparing the activities of these assholes to a modern art movement?

Not at all. I am saying that your outrage is partisan political and a double standard, that you would have no criticism of a similar "contest" that asked for entries that would upset Christians like drawings of Jesus masturbating.

You just gave an idea for the next Mohamed drawing contest.

 

[untermensche]

Because nobody gives a shit that they can't draw some semi-fictional character from history.

It isn't a freedom people are demanding anywhere.

This contest addressed no real world problem.

It merely aimed to provoke the most unstable in a religion of a billion.

I give a shit and it's a freedom I demand.

As I said it serves the twisted emotional needs of some individuals.

But when we start serving these needs in society it is a slippery slope.

 

[skepticalbip]

OK, back to the Christian lampooning comparison. How upset would you be if someone had a drawing "contest" for the best drawing of Jesus masturbating as a lampoon of the deification of Jesus by Christians?

If you don't see a problem with that then why would you see a problem with the best Mohammad lampoon drawing?

I don't have a legal problem with it. You and whatever third graders you can find should be free to engage in that activity.

But it isn't anything an adult should be dreaming to do.

It is mindless provocation for no other reason but to provoke. It serves no real world need or purpose.

It serves the emotional needs of some twisted individual.

I won't base any society around the twisted emotional desires of a tiny minority.

You don't get out much do you. Try reading the comments in the religion forum if you want to see childish assaults on Christianity and personal assaults on individuals because they are Christian... and the attacks on this forum are mild in comparison to many.

Absurd beliefs should be exposed as absurd beliefs (both Christian, Muslim, and any other) especially if those beliefs trap people in ignorance and a drawing contest is very mild lampooning.

 

[skepticalbip]

Not at all. I am saying that your outrage is partisan political and a double standard, that you would have no criticism of a similar "contest" that asked for entries that would upset Christians like drawings of Jesus masturbating.

You just gave an idea for the next Mohamed drawing contest.

Great I may enter it. I don't have much use for any religion but believe that all religions deserve equal derision. Although I am piss poor at drawing but I could submit a stick man abusing himself.

 

[untermensche]

You don't get out much do you. Try reading the comments in the religion forum if you want to see childish assaults on Christianity... and the attacks on this forum are mild in comparison to many.

Absurd beliefs should be exposed as absurd beliefs (both Christian, Muslim, and any other) especially if those beliefs trap people in ignorance and a drawing contest is very mild lampooning.

I fully agree that the desire to harm others because they merely make a cartoon of a long dead religious icon is close to insanity. The idea that one has some mental connection to a god is close to insanity. But in most cases it is an insanity implanted into the most vulnerable by the people they care about most.

I have exposed that belief as absurd.

I can say whatever I want to say about it.

A drawing contest is, to most, mild provocation. To a tiny minority, very unstable and deluded people who happen to be Muslims, it is extreme provocation.

All it is doing is making the most unstable Muslims potentially dangerous.

It serves no other purpose.

 

[bilby]

Putting a dog turd in a paper bag on your neighbour's doorstep, setting it on fire, knocking, and running away, is wrong. It is childish and stupid behaviour that makes society less pleasant to live in, and people shouldn't do it.

Repeatedly running the neighbour's kids over with your car, in retaliation for their playing a silly prank is also wrong.

But while they are both wrong, they are not equally wrong. They should not be equally condemned - even though both behaviours should be discouraged.

Drawing pictures of Mohammed to get a rise out of the Muslims is petty and childish. But a lethal response is so disproportionate as to be literally insane.

It is perfectly OK to condemn both actions as inappropriate for adults in a civilised society. But condemnation of childish pranks does not imply acceptance of insane claims that the pranks were sufficient provocation to justify homicide.

 

[untermensche]

...But condemnation of childish pranks does not imply acceptance of insane claims that the pranks were sufficient provocation to justify homicide....

Sufficient to a tiny minority of people.

Human instability is a fact. If you have a billion Muslims a few will be incredibly unstable and potentially dangerous.

And adults should know that exciting this unstable tiny minority is not a good thing to do.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

...But condemnation of childish pranks does not imply acceptance of insane claims that the pranks were sufficient provocation to justify homicide....

Sufficient to a tiny minority of people.

Human instability is a fact. If you have a billion Muslims a few will be incredibly unstable and potentially dangerous.

And adults should know that exciting this unstable tiny minority is not a good thing to do.

And ... that means we shouldn't do it? That we should give into the demands of terrorists because we might get hurt if we don't?

Which other of our freedoms do you feel we should we sacrifice because we're busy cowering in a corner to hide from violent bullies?

 

[untermensche]

Sufficient to a tiny minority of people.

Human instability is a fact. If you have a billion Muslims a few will be incredibly unstable and potentially dangerous.

And adults should know that exciting this unstable tiny minority is not a good thing to do.

And ... that means we shouldn't do it? That we should give into the demands of terrorists because we might get hurt if we don't?

Which other of our freedoms do you feel we should we sacrifice because we're busy cowering in a corner to hide from violent bullies?

If you want to label the mentally unstable as terrorists you may.

But back in the real world they are merely unstable humans who have been brainwashed since birth.

This contest was a means to incite a terrorist act, nothing more.

It served no other real world need.

People can freely draw pictures of Mohammed in their homes now.

How many do you think are secretly doing that?

How many have any desire or need to do that?

 

[bilby]

...But condemnation of childish pranks does not imply acceptance of insane claims that the pranks were sufficient provocation to justify homicide....

Sufficient to a tiny minority of people.

Human instability is a fact. If you have a billion Muslims a few will be incredibly unstable and potentially dangerous.

And adults should know that exciting this unstable tiny minority is not a good thing to do.

There are at least six times as many next door neighbours in the world as there are Muslims.

A proportion of them are dangerous lunatics too.

But kids don't refrain from pranks because of them. And nor should they.

 

[untermensche]

Sufficient to a tiny minority of people.

Human instability is a fact. If you have a billion Muslims a few will be incredibly unstable and potentially dangerous.

And adults should know that exciting this unstable tiny minority is not a good thing to do.

There are at least six times as many next door neighbours in the world as there are Muslims.

A proportion of them are dangerous lunatics too.

But kids don't refrain from pranks because of them. And nor should they.

Specifically what prank are you talking about?

How about burning crosses on the properties of black people?

Should that be permitted as a childish prank?

Might it be dangerous?

 

[skepticalbip]

You don't get out much do you. Try reading the comments in the religion forum if you want to see childish assaults on Christianity... and the attacks on this forum are mild in comparison to many.

Absurd beliefs should be exposed as absurd beliefs (both Christian, Muslim, and any other) especially if those beliefs trap people in ignorance and a drawing contest is very mild lampooning.

I fully agree that the desire to harm others because they merely make a cartoon of a long dead religious icon is close to insanity. The idea that one has some mental connection to a god is close to insanity. But in most cases it is an insanity implanted into the most vulnerable by the people they care about most.

I have exposed that belief as absurd.

I can say whatever I want to say about it.

A drawing contest is, to most, mild provocation. To a tiny minority, very unstable and deluded people who happen to be Muslims, it is extreme provocation.

All it is doing is making the most unstable Muslims potentially dangerous.

It serves no other purpose.

And yet you see no problem criticizing Christianity that a "tiny minority of very unstable and deluded" Christians may take as extreme provocation?

Again, absurd beliefs should be exposed as absurd beliefs, Christian or Muslim. To give in to absurd beliefs for fear of the "very unstable and deluded" is a path to ruin.