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Why are you always on about fish? I don't understand the reference. I'm not here to produce God, whatever that means, I'm here to discuss the Bible.
[Sigh] Maybe I do misunderstand the Bible. It isn't a fictional account, but I don't want for you to get distracted by the existence of God when that isn't necessarily the issue. The OP was what the Bible was about, not was it fiction or not. If I said in the OP that J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord Of The Rings is all about a man named Arthur Dent and his exploration of life the universe and everything with an alien pal of his named Ford Prefect it doesn't matter that it is a fictional account, you would tell me I obviously was confusing LOTR with Douglas Adam's Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy series.
You don't need to get hung up on God. I'm not trying to convince you that God exists.
dystopian
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Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please. (John Cleese, Monty Python Cheese Shop reference)
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How stupid of me to think that I could convince you that I had come to a discussion forum on religious texts to discuss the Bible? What did I take you for, some kind of idiot?!
You're a naughty boy, Mr. Henson, don't do it again! [he says to himself, dramatically smacking his bottom] (Fawlty Tower reference)
dystopian
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I don't have to. So long as you make the positive claim that the bible is true in any fashion (ie; not fiction), *you* and any others who make that claim, have the burden of proof.
Since nobody has yet been able to support the claim, the only logical stance is to not believe the bible is accurate. And that would be the case even if it was purely down to you not being able to prove the bible is accurate; in reality we *know* the bible is historically inaccurate and contains many fictions; for instance in its description of geographic or cultural features that are either made up or anachronistic. And we're not even touching the physical impossibilities of the "miracles" described; which are obvious fictions.
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In your OP you noted:
The meaning of the Bible, being harmonious from Genesis to Revelation, can be summed up in one brief phrase. The vindication Of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus. From there we begin to learn what that is all about.
So if this thread isn't about god, what is it about exactly?
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BTW, I love the polemic in post #34. No, it wasn't the snake talking, it was Satan. It wasn't Balaam's ass talking, it was an angel. See there? I knew those stories weren't preposterous myths. They make sense, ya just gotta get the context. This works for oh so many Bible conundrums. With the right context, God killing children and ordering the extermination of nation after nation is actually good -- it's part of his loving nature!! See, he really loves us, and.... and..... and -- I think I just lost that damn context again.
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It does get a bit difficult to discuss the Bible with a purported Bible expert who thinks most Bible translations are all wrong.
See Satan was first mentioned in Number 22:22, which is why Satan was involved in Genesis 3, and in a completely different context!
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Kharakov
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Apparently the "meaning of the Bible". Although I don't really think meaning is the correct term, from the way I understand what he's written, instead I'd say:
The purpose of the Bible is to clear the main character of the Bible's name to their son (a primary character of the second section of the Bible), by showing the main character's son that people would attack someone who literally figuratively did no wrong.
Let go of the God on your shoulder, dude.
No. The first prophecy of Jesus in the Bible is Genesis 3:15.
A) Jehovah God created Michael.
B) Jehovah, through Michael, created the Heavens.
C) Jehovah, through Michael, created the trillions of spirit creatures.
D) The spirit creatures existed for an unknown, but likely great period of time. In this time they matured, in that they knew that they needed their creator's guidance.
E) The Earth was created with all of it's creatures.
F) Man was created and existed for some time unknown. They were Michael's favorite part of Jehovah's creation.
G) An angel, the most beautiful of angels was placed as protector over Adam and Eve in the garden.
H) The angel deceived Eve. She enticed Adam. Adam knowingly sinned for fear of losing his wife and being alone.
1) God discovered this and began to make plans for justice, through salvation. Michael volunteered to come to Earth for this purpose.
2) God formed the nation Israel to introduce an imperfect Law to teach them of their need of this salvation and produce a Messiah.
3) Meticulous records were kept to determine who this Messiah was. Only one person who ever lived could have been the Messiah.
5) The people rejected the Law and the Messiah.
6) The possibility of salvation was then opened to all people.