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http://www.vox.com/2014/5/15/572033...-turned-the-not-all-men-objection-into-a-meme

These are actually kind of funny.

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Stereotyping all men is just fine, and anyone who is against it is sexist. [/PROGRESSOAUTHORITARIAN]
 
stupid article said:
Some additional notes about men:

A man is someone who pays his female employees less.
A man is someone who interrupts a woman when she's in the middle of saying something.
A man expects his wife to do all the cooking and cleaning.
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How are any of those part of the DEFINITION of "man"? Those don't deserve an answer of "Not all men", they deserve an answer of "strawman".
 
Why do they have to explain this as though there's a hidden reason why people say it?
 
Good article and it has a lot of valid points.

I find it similar to when women are talking about all the prejudices lobbed at fat women in particular, invariably someone jumps in with, "Hey I'm skinny and I've had ugly comments said to me and people mock me."

Which does the exact same thing as the "Not ALL men..." comment.

It undermines the original discussion and it showcases the person saying it (like they need their ruffled feathers soothed to avoid being offended) and tries to make an exception equal to the rule.

Yes, not ALL men do "X", but a butt-fuck load of them sure did to keep women in servitude for millennia.
 
A man is someone who pays his female employees less.
A man is someone who interrupts a woman when she's in the middle of saying something.
A man expects his wife to do all the cooking and cleaning.

What's that you say? Not ALL men pay their employees less? Not ALL men interrupt women?

Thanks for pointing that out. You're who this meme is about.
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When you word it like that you're kind of setting yourself up for the "not all men do that" response, regardless of your intentions. An easier way to do it: don't word it like that.
 
It's easy to deal with the "all men" fallacy. I just say, "A lot of men do a lot things. Right now, all you have to worry about is one man and what he's going to do."
 
Bronzeage said:
It's easy to deal with the "all men" fallacy. I just say, "A lot of men do a lot things. Right now, all you have to worry about is one man and what he's going to do."
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If that were true. The majority of politicians are men. The majority of law enforcement are men. The majority of soldiers are men. The majority of criminals are men.

Women tend to have a lot of men they have to worry about.
 
Can't we all just avoid sweeping generalizations?

You might as well say that a woman is someone who pays her female employees less.
 
credoconsolans said:
Bronzeage said:
It's easy to deal with the "all men" fallacy. I just say, "A lot of men do a lot things. Right now, all you have to worry about is one man and what he's going to do."
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If that were true. The majority of politicians are men. The majority of law enforcement are men. The majority of soldiers are men. The majority of criminals are men.

Women tend to have a lot of men they have to worry about.
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The vast majority of men are not politicians; the vast majority of men are not in law enforcement; the vast majority of men are not soldiers; the vast majority of men are not criminals. Women have a lot of men, a lot of women, a lot of blacks, a lot of Jews, a lot of Christians, and a lot of Muslims they have to worry about; and a far larger number of people in all of those groups that they do not have to worry about.

For that matter, men have a lot of men they have to worry about.

If you have a problem with criminals, then expressing it in such a way as to imply that a whole bunch of people who are not criminals are included is bound to piss those people off.

'Men' and 'Women' are both categories that have over 3 billion members. Making generalisations about people in either category says more about the person making the generalisation than it does about the people in that category.

Generalisations are always wrong.
 
Derec said:
credoconsolans said:
Women tend to have a lot of men they have to worry about.
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That does not justify stereotyping of all men. It certainly doesn't justify attacking anyone who dares call you out of said stereotyping.
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Derec, you are not an idiot. Why do you continually derail discussion to talk about the minority position in any statistic. You are the greatest exemplar of the "not all men" meme. Stereotyping is when a negative minority is held to represent the positive majority. The "not all men" meme is calling out the people like yourself who would rather use their brains to obfuscate the discussion than to try for a fairer society.

bilby said:
Generalisations are always wrong.
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Bullshit.

Generalisations are what happens when you identify a problem that exists most of the time. It's called a generalisation because it happens with such a frequency as to make it an issue and statistically relevant to generalise across the population.

Saying that it shouldn't be addressed because exceptions exist makes you part of the problem.
 
spikepipsqueak said:
bilby said:
Generalisations are always wrong.
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Bullshit.

Generalisations are what happens when you identify a problem that exists most of the time. It's called a generalisation because it happens with such a frequency as to make it an issue and statistically relevant to generalise across the population.

Saying that it shouldn't be addressed because exceptions exist makes you part of the problem.
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So you are saying that my generalisation about generalisations was wrong? ;)
 
credoconsolans said:
Bronzeage said:
It's easy to deal with the "all men" fallacy. I just say, "A lot of men do a lot things. Right now, all you have to worry about is one man and what he's going to do."
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If that were true. The majority of politicians are men. The majority of law enforcement are men. The majority of soldiers are men. The majority of criminals are men.

Women tend to have a lot of men they have to worry about.
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Oh, it's true alright. I was there when I said it and she only had to worry about what I was going to do. I would like to give you a link to it, but it happened in real life, not on the internet.
 
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