The women in Iran taking off the hijab

[Valjean]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

 

[Keith&Co.]

going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Like ankles, which were covered at one time, risking shocking censure if they were exposed.
Or plunging necklines.
Miniskirts.
Bikinis.
We've become saturated with skin. Syed cries about the change, but ignores recent history. And human nature.

Interest and arousal surrounds the rare, the unattainable and the tabboo.

IF trends continue unabated, some day most of the citizenry will be actually or effectively naked, and Sports Illustrated will have the annual Business Suit issue.

Porn will be smoldering eyes behind a hijab.

Spring Break will survive on wet-burka contests.

We'll pay $10 at the peep show to watch a woman put ON a HAZMAT suit and a gas mask.

 

[credoconsolans]

Good for the women.

They're not just taking off the hijab, they're not wearing head coverings of any kind.

The Koran just says to cover your hair and dress modestly in public, which is why more moderate Muslims just wear scarves on their heads rather than the whole walking-tent hijab thing or the beekeeper-looking burqa thing. These ladies aren't even doing the scarf thing. Good for them. It's like the old timey 70s Muslim version of feminism is making a comeback.

It says to dress modestly for BOTH men and women, but for some reason, that covering-the-head thing only goes for women.

Again, another sign of men projecting their desires onto women.

 

[J842P]

Good for the women.

They're not just taking off the hijab, they're not wearing head coverings of any kind.

The Koran just says to cover your hair and dress modestly in public, which is why more moderate Muslims just wear scarves on their heads rather than the whole walking-tent hijab thing or the beekeeper-looking burqa thing. These ladies aren't even doing the scarf thing. Good for them. It's like the old timey 70s Muslim version of feminism is making a comeback.

It says to dress modestly for BOTH men and women, but for some reason, that covering-the-head thing only goes for women.

Again, another sign of men projecting their desires onto women.

Actually, depending on the area, Islamic dress codes have been interpreted to mean that men must also cover their heads. You'll notice that almost all male religious figures in Islam cover their heads. Of course, this is enforced for women and merely "recommended" for men.

 

[Syed]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

 

[Keith&Co.]

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

Blood sacrifices, beheadings, holy wars, nuclear explosions, rape and circumcisions.

 

[Syed]

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

Blood sacrifices, beheadings, holy wars, nuclear explosions, rape and circumcisions.

about the clothes

 

[Smoker]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

As long as the rules are the same for women and men, I don't really care what is shown in public

 

[Keith&Co.]

Blood sacrifices, beheadings, holy wars, nuclear explosions, rape and circumcisions.

about the clothes

So you DID notice that clothes weren't on my list...

Frankly, i'd tend to leave it up to the individual, personally.
I figure if we completely removed all clothing restrictions, we'd have widespread nudity for a while, then sunburn, windburn, car accidents, bug bites, hot asphalt and puddles would drive most of us slowly back to pre-enlightenment dress standards.

Some would never go naked, some would never go back.

Either way, there are many, many things i feel need restriction far more than clothing.

 

[Syed]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

As long as the rules are the same for women and men, I don't really care what is shown in public

basically atheist morality is that you can show private parts and muslims should follow your morals

 

[bigfield]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

As long as the rules are the same for women and men, I don't really care what is shown in public

basically atheist morality is that you can show private parts and muslims should follow your morals

Sounds correct to me.

 

[Keith&Co.]

basically atheist morality is that you can show private parts and muslims should follow your morals

Atheist morality is hand crafted, by men, same as yours.
It's just harder for some prude to convince others that HIS morals come from a god so everyone else should follow.

BASICALLY, atheist morality just questions why CAN'T we show private parts? And your being afraid of them hardly counts as a good reason.

And i could give a rat's if you do or do not follow my morals, Syed. As long as you don't try to force me to follow YOUR morals, just because you think they're god-breathed.

 

[Frikki]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

Hey Syed, why don't you need to wear a hijab? Why is it only the women that have to cover up?

 

[Playball40]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

As long as the rules are the same for women and men, I don't really care what is shown in public

basically atheist morality is that you can show private parts and muslims should follow your morals

Actually all he said was people should have a choice.

 

[funinspace]

basically atheist morality is that you can show private parts and muslims should follow your morals

Atheist morality is hand crafted, by men, same as yours.

My wife would probably have some strong input on that statement

It's just harder for some prude to convince others that HIS morals come from a god so everyone else should follow.

BASICALLY, atheist morality just questions why CAN'T we show private parts? And your being afraid of them hardly counts as a good reason.

And i could give a rat's if you do or do not follow my morals, Syed. As long as you don't try to force me to follow YOUR morals, just because you think they're god-breathed.

Yup, I also don't need Syed to follow my morals, I just have to follow my wife's morals.

I'd also like to know why Syed thinks he doesn't need to wear a hijab? After all, gay sex isn't just a Christian/atheist thingy...

 

[atrib]

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

Blood sacrifices, beheadings, holy wars, nuclear explosions, rape and circumcisions.

about the clothes

Blood sacrifices, beheadings, holy wars and suicide bombing is MUCH more offensive and harmful to the public than a few immodestly dressed women, woundn't you agree? Such events are common in the Islamic world yet you never seem to take offense and speak out against such things. Why are your priorities so fucked up?

Syed, can you explain why women choosing to bare their breasts in public is wrong?

 

[atrib]

salam

do you want muslims women to go topless too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/topless-book-club-new-york-photos-nsfw_n_5267320.html

Why not?
What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

As long as the rules are the same for women and men, I don't really care what is shown in public

basically atheist morality is that you can show private parts and muslims should follow your morals

Wrong. People should be free to dress how they please, and those who are offened by immodest dresses should look away instead of making it a big deal and forcing women to dress in sacks from head to toe.

 

[Angry Floof]

Women across Iran are posting photos of themselves without the hijab to a dedicated Facebook page called "My Stealthy Freedom".

The Facebook page was set up just over a week ago, and already has 130,000 "likes". Almost all are from people in Iran, both men and women.

So far the page has around 150 photos. They show women on the beach, on the street, in the countryside, alone, with friends or their partners - but crucially - all without the headscarf. Most include a few words, for example: "I loathe the hijab. I too like the feel of the sun and the wind on my hair. Is this a big sin?"

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-27373368

More power to them!

one day they may became like this

If that's what they want to become, then we can only hope one day they do become like that.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

basically atheist morality is that you can show private parts and muslims should follow your morals

Wrong. People should be free to dress how they please, and those who are offened by immodest dresses should look away instead of making it a big deal and forcing women to dress in sacks from head to toe.

Exactly. People should live their lives as they choose and if some don't like the way that others are living it, then that's their problem and not the problem of the person who's offending them.

 

[Keith&Co.]

suicide bombing is MUCH more offensive and harmful to the public than a few immodestly dressed women, woundn't you agree?

I dunno about that.
I mean, yeah, the way it's currently staged, as amateur public performances, yes.
But if people want to blow themselves up for their God, it could make a wonderfully satisfying reality show.

Divide them into teams, by skills, not necessarily by ideology. Give them some objectives. Park a tank in an abandoned warehouse or put mannaquins in four old school busses in a field. They choose the team member to go blow themselves up against the target, points are assessed, and donations made to the charity of the team's choice.

Producers could tighten the drama, asking IRA and Al Qaeda team members to cooperate in the destruction of a Pope mobile parked in a mosque. They have to destroy the vehicle but clean up the damage for services after...

Challenge a PETA/Muslim team that they'll get bonus explosives if they eat halal steaks...