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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing

Total bullshit. The sexiest scene in Body Heat, the one with the most sexual tension, the lust everyone remembered when they went home, Kathleen Turner's clothes did not come off.
Seriously, if you so lack imagination that you have to actually SEE boobies to find a woman attractive, then biology has failed you.
tell us why do you watch porn if not for lust for woman body?

In my own marriage my wife and I watched porn together. She would rewind and watch the splashy parts again. You may guess what we did after viewing.
 

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the nature of man is to lust after a woman who reviling her body
Syed, are you not reading the replies to your posts?
It is the nature of man to lust after what they perceive to be a receptive target. This may -- or may not -- be signaled by clothing.

If lack of clothing triggered lust you would see a universal relationship between clothing and lust, but you don't, do you?

Your premise is just wrong. In regions where women are scantily clad men are not unduly aroused. In areas where women are entirely naked men are not unduly aroused.

Maybe it's just you, Syed. Maybe your testosterone level is very high, or the arousal area in your brain is unusually active. Maybe you were raised to connect nudity with sex.
Never assume all people are like yourself. That can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings and inaccurate expectations.
 

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what is cause in the west so many people having affair with women and with other men? and divorced?

Why do you think affairs are more common in the west? They´re not. In fact, research seems to indicate that men cheating on their partners is much more common the poorer the country is. Which means that affairs are likely to be much more common in the average Islamic country than the average western country. While men in islamic countries are more likely to condemn infidelity in strong terms, they´re by no means less likely to engage in it.

another reason why people affair is that any society who have custom of dating one person after another person
 

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the nature of man is to lust after a woman who reviling her body
Syed, are you not reading the replies to your posts?
It is the nature of man to lust after what they perceive to be a receptive target. This may -- or may not -- be signaled by clothing.

If lack of clothing triggered lust you would see a universal relationship between clothing and lust, but you don't, do you?

Your premise is just wrong. In regions where women are scantily clad men are not unduly aroused. In areas where women are entirely naked men are not unduly aroused.

Maybe it's just you, Syed. Maybe your testosterone level is very high, or the arousal area in your brain is unusually active. Maybe you were raised to connect nudity with sex.
Never assume all people are like yourself. That can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings and inaccurate expectations.
You know, syphilis can damage the cerebral cortex in a way that leaves a person constantly aroused sexually.
 

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tell us why do you watch porn if not for lust for woman body?
Have you forgotten the claim that evoked this response?
Revealing clothing is not necessary for lust,
Lust does not always cause AN AFFAIR.

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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing

Total bullshit. The sexiest scene in Body Heat, the one with the most sexual tension, the lust everyone remembered when they went home, Kathleen Turner's clothes did not come off.
Seriously, if you so lack imagination that you have to actually SEE boobies to find a woman attractive, then biology has failed you.
tell us why do you watch porn if not for lust for woman body?
Of course it's out of lust for a woman's body. That feels good. .

you made my point
Your point was that most affairs are caused by seeing women in less clothing.
Every post in this quote denies your point, Syed.

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another reason why people affair is that any society who have custom of dating one person after another person
What is this, now, the third main reason for affairs? The fourth?
Never mind replies, Syed, do you even read YOUR posts?
 

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the nature of man is to lust after a woman who reviling her body

It is, but it's a nature that must be fought against in order not to sin.

So, Syed, you are going to blind yourself or go blindfold, right?

are you free from lust after watching woman?

Yes, I am.

Now since you are not, by your own admission we can now expect you to blind yourself or go blindfold, right?

You need to say yes, Syed. Otherwise you're proving yourself a hypocrite.
 

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the nature of man is to lust after a woman who reviling her body

It is, but it's a nature that must be fought against in order not to sin.

So, Syed, you are going to blind yourself or go blindfold, right?

are you free from lust after watching woman?

Yes, I am.

Now since you are not, by your own admission we can now expect you to blind yourself or go blindfold, right?

You need to say yes, Syed. Otherwise you're proving yourself a hypocrite.
Porn in US 'a public health crisis'
Pornography in America should be declared major public health crisis, panel of activists states
Pornography now is so widespread in the United States that it deserves to be addressed seriously as a major public health crisis, a panel of activists has said.

On the eve of a two-day conference on sexual exploitation, they suggested that porn be tackled in the same manner as teenage smoking or drunk driving.

"There's an untreated pandemic of harm from pornography," said Dawn Hawkins, executive director of Morality in Media, which has campaigned against pornography since 1962.

"There's a lot of science now proving that pornography is harmful," Hawkins told reporters at the National Press Club in Washington. "We know now that almost every family in America has been touched by the harm of pornography."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...835994/Porn-in-US-a-public-health-crisis.html

this is the truth from horse mouth
 

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this is the truth from horse mouth
If it was the horse's mouth, that would have to be the porn industry itself.

Not a (i would assume) thumper from 'Morality in Media.'

Is there any actual reference to the 'lot of science' showing porn is harmful?
 

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Porn in US 'a public health crisis'
Except...
And Layden suggested that if the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention got "interested in this as a public health issue, we can have success in the way that we had success with the issue of cigarette smoking".
It's a Public Health ISSUE, but the CDC isn't interested in it....?
How does that work?
 

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this is the truth from horse mouth
If it was the horse's mouth, that would have to be the porn industry itself.

Not a (i would assume) thumper from 'Morality in Media.'

Is there any actual reference to the 'lot of science' showing porn is harmful?

kids are watching porn and you cant see harmful effect would be
 
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kids are watching porn and you cant see harmful effect would be
is that the 'health crisis' they're referring to?
Seriously? because they don't seem to want to spell it out, they just assume everyone would just agree with their claims and swallow it uncritically.
Like you have.

I just notice that THEY want to call it a health crisis, and YOU want to quote them, and you want us to just accept it, but there's a distinct possibility that they're more like a creationist organization, where the PhD's are sifting the available evidence to produce the results they already accept.
Like you tend to.

No wonder you like them, but i'm going to have to wonder what sort of HEALTH CRISIS ISSUE they have if the CDC can't be arsed....?
 

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kids are watching porn and you cant see harmful effect would be
is that the 'health crisis' they're referring to?
Seriously? because they don't seem to want to spell it out, they just assume everyone would just agree with their claims and swallow it uncritically.
Like you have.

I just notice that THEY want to call it a health crisis, and YOU want to quote them, and you want us to just accept it, but there's a distinct possibility that they're more like a creationist organization, where the PhD's are sifting the available evidence to produce the results they already accept.
Like you tend to.

No wonder you like them, but i'm going to have to wonder what sort of HEALTH CRISIS ISSUE they have if the CDC can't be arsed....?
mental health crisis

do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them?
 

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That is NOT what they are saying, Syed. They want CDC involved. That's not a mental health issue.

It's just that CDC is not involved, so it's hard to buy into their claims.
THEIR actual claims, not your reinterpretation.
do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them?
I believe you're shifting the goalpost once more, and making shit up.
 

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What about men? Why aren't they in burkas too? Do you assume that women don't lust and/or that a bare chested man can't arouse lust in a woman?

Syed, why didn't you answer these questions?
Thinking about lust and men with bared chests probably makes Syed uncomfortable in his no-no place. He'd rather misinterpret relgion-based opposition to porn as a scientific discovery.
 

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do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them?

No. I dont think it is harmful. Why would it be?
Because this society has such a chicken-shit approach to sex. As Carlin pointed out, they'll let kids see people commit murder on screen long before they'll let kids see love-making.

If kids are seeing porn, they're going to come away from it with questions their parents, their teachers and their peers are not going to be qualified to answer. And while the parents and teachers try to downplay anything sexual, so the kids won't obsess on wobbly bits or terse dialogue, their peers are perfectly willing to make shit up.
So the kids will get disappointment from authority figures and wonderfully detailed education from the other kids. "Yeah, that's why you need four pizzas and a can of whipped cream to make a baby."
"Really?"
"Oh, yeah. When my mom was away for a week, we had pizzas for four nights and when she came back we had ice cream and the next month i had a baby brother!"

The problem is not with kids seeing porn per se. The problem is that they will have absolutely no support in this culture to learn any useful lessons from porn. Like what positions take practice, or why porn portrays the taboo and the unusual, not what mommies and daddies do when the doors locked and Bolero is playing really loud and you can ask for a cookie and get the whole bag.
 

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It would be better to leave Iran, than take a chance of having your head removed.
 

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It would be better to leave Iran, than take a chance of having your head removed.
Better for you, maybe. If you had that option.

But not better for the next woman that wanted to be treated like a human being.

First women through the military academies, the first blacks to go through the academies, the first...anything. Anyone crashing the private party has to make a choice for their personal profit, but also ends up being something of a trend setter.

Where would Christainity be, aeebee50, if the early Christains had chosen to knuckle under and worship the gods of Rome?
 

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I think we should use our drones to drop porn all over the Middle East.
I would love to see the MILSPEC for drone-dropped porn acquisition.

"Porn purchased for delivery to the OPAREA shall, within any one-month delivery cycle, depict no more than ten percent MOMSS (male on male same sex), no less than forty percent FOFSS, and an ethnic diversity compliant with the guidelines in SEXINST 6969.69, Table 11-2, for the OPAREA of interest.
"Porn purchased for delivery will not contain any of the proscribed fetishes listed in SEXINST 6969.69, Table 11-3, for the OPAREA of interest.
"Proscribed fetish material will be included within the delivery in a well-marked tape of BetaMax format, just to provide a tease."
 

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Syed - if you are so weak that seeing women scantily clad (according to your definition) arouses your lust, then your eyes are committing sin, so you should take them out.

you dont arouse when you see topless women?

It's a simple principle, Syed: YOUR erection = YOUR problem. Deal with it. You don't get to solve it by placing restrictions on other people.
 

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Syed - if you are so weak that seeing women scantily clad (according to your definition) arouses your lust, then your eyes are committing sin, so you should take them out.

you dont arouse when you see topless women?

It's a simple principle, Syed: YOUR erection = YOUR problem. Deal with it. You don't get to solve it by placing restrictions on other people.

how should teenagers deal with porn and bikini ?
 

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I think we should use our drones to drop porn all over the Middle East.
tired of bombing and killing them?

Yes

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Syed - if you are so weak that seeing women scantily clad (according to your definition) arouses your lust, then your eyes are committing sin, so you should take them out.

you dont arouse when you see topless women?

It's a simple principle, Syed: YOUR erection = YOUR problem. Deal with it. You don't get to solve it by placing restrictions on other people.

how should teenagers deal with porn and bikini ?
When I was a teen I found porn. I masturbated. It felt good. Didn't do me any harm.
 

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That is NOT what they are saying, Syed. They want CDC involved. That's not a mental health issue.

It's just that CDC is not involved, so it's hard to buy into their claims.
THEIR actual claims, not your reinterpretation.
do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them?
I believe you're shifting the goalpost once more, and making shit up.

do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them? please answer
 

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What about men? Why aren't they in burkas too? Do you assume that women don't lust and/or that a bare chested man can't arouse lust in a woman?

Syed, why didn't you answer these questions?

in islam men also must cover his body in public

man and woman have different attitude about sex, a man can stare at a woman without feeling shame but woman feel shame to stare at man
 

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I think we should use our drones to drop porn all over the Middle East.
tired of bombing and killing them?

Yes

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Syed - if you are so weak that seeing women scantily clad (according to your definition) arouses your lust, then your eyes are committing sin, so you should take them out.

you dont arouse when you see topless women?

It's a simple principle, Syed: YOUR erection = YOUR problem. Deal with it. You don't get to solve it by placing restrictions on other people.

how should teenagers deal with porn and bikini ?
When I was a teen I found porn. I masturbated. It felt good. Didn't do me any harm.

so teen should be allow to watch porn?
 

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the nature of man is to lust after a woman who reviling her body

It is, but it's a nature that must be fought against in order not to sin.

So, Syed, you are going to blind yourself or go blindfold, right?

are you free from lust after watching woman?

Yes, I am.

Now since you are not, by your own admission we can now expect you to blind yourself or go blindfold, right?

You need to say yes, Syed. Otherwise you're proving yourself a hypocrite.

So Syed, I am still waiting for your answer.

You already said that seeing scantily clad women incites lust/sin in you.

YOU are sinning.

So, you must be ready to blind yourself/blindfold yourself to stop YOURSELF from sinning, right?

Say yes, Syed, or be called a religious hypocrite.

If you do not answer, then we will know that YOU are the sinner and you don't want to do anything about YOUR sin, but blame others when YOU are the one sinning.

We are waiting, Syed.
 

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That is NOT what they are saying, Syed. They want CDC involved. That's not a mental health issue.

It's just that CDC is not involved, so it's hard to buy into their claims.
THEIR actual claims, not your reinterpretation.
do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them?
I believe you're shifting the goalpost once more, and making shit up.

do you believe kids are watching porn
I hope so. We make such a big deal about it being taboo, i'd worry about kids without the curiosity to find out what all the fuss is about.
and harmful to them?
No.
 

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so teen should be allow to watch porn?

Maybe so, maybe not. I don't think it really matters because male teens are going to find porn if it is at all possible, and it will be very hard to stop them. There seems to be some evidence that masturbation is healthy for your prostate. I can't find the actual scientific journal but here is a Men's Health page that references it: http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/prevent_prostate_cancer/printer.php
One patrol on the sub, we had a guy who was a very strict Evangelical.
He wouldn't read porn, and at the movies he would turn away from the screen if it was a love scene or it looked like the bimbo was going to go partially or wholly nekkid.

One day he woke to find a 'seamy yellow discharge' in his underwear. First he self-diagnosed it as a venereal disease, odd for a virgin. He worked up the nerve to ask Doc for treatment.
Turned out that without any sort of stimulation of the fair sex (looking at women, thinking of women, smelling women), the body doesn't have wet dreams. The sperm collects in the balls until it goes bad. That's what was finally discharged. Dead spermers.

Doc gave him a prescription to read porn and beat off once a day.
The only prescription i've ever seen that was laminated.
 

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That is NOT what they are saying, Syed. They want CDC involved. That's not a mental health issue.

It's just that CDC is not involved, so it's hard to buy into their claims.
THEIR actual claims, not your reinterpretation.
do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them?
I believe you're shifting the goalpost once more, and making shit up.

do you believe kids are watching porn and harmful to them? please answer

Can you explain what is wrong with watching porn?

Can you explain what watching porn has to do with some women choosing to dress immodestly?

Can you explain why it is the woman's problem that some men get aroused when they see provocatively dresses women? Why don't you apply the same standards to men? Are you ignorant enough to believe that women have no sexual feelings and can also get sexually aroused when watching provocatively dressed men (and/or women)?

You appear to have the critical thinking and debating skills of a 5 year old. I think you understand what people are saying but you choose not to engage in honest discussion. This reflects poorly on you as an individual, and in a broader sense, to people of your culture. Is it part of the Muslim culture of the part of the world you are from to behave in a manner like this? Your deliberately evasive ways might work with people around you but they don't work here.
 

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What about men? Why aren't they in burkas too? Do you assume that women don't lust and/or that a bare chested man can't arouse lust in a woman?

Syed, why didn't you answer these questions?

in islam men also must cover his body in public

man and woman have different attitude about sex, a man can stare at a woman without feeling shame but woman feel shame to stare at man

Really? Are men required to cover their bodies from head to toe in shapeless cloth bags before they step out in public? Are men required to have chaperones when they go out in public or to visit with their friends? I think not.

In Islamic countries women are usually treated like property, first as the property of their fathers, then as the property of their husbands. In many Islamic countries women are not allowed the rights that are accorded to men. In many Islamic countries women are prevented or actively discouraged from going to school. In many Islamic countries, women are not allowed to have male friends even though their brothers and fathers visit brothels to satisfy their sexual appetites. In many Islamic countries women are not even allowed to choose their husbands for themselves. The curse of Islam subjugates women and encourages Islamic societies to treat women as second class citizens. This is all fact, and you are going to ignore these facts and continue trolling these forums with your asinine one liners.
 

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What about men? Why aren't they in burkas too? Do you assume that women don't lust and/or that a bare chested man can't arouse lust in a woman?

Syed, why didn't you answer these questions?

in islam men also must cover his body in public

man and woman have different attitude about sex, a man can stare at a woman without feeling shame but woman feel shame to stare at man

How the fuck do you know how women feel? Do you even know any women who are not part of your immediate family? You are making up shit because you have nothing to counter what people here have been telling you and you feel that acting this way under the cover of anonymity is acceptable behavior. We have been reading your shit for many years and we know what you do.
 

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"There's an untreated pandemic of harm from pornography," said Dawn Hawkins, executive director of Morality in Media, which has campaigned against pornography since 1962.

They've been campaigning for fifty-two years, and they still haven't been able to convince anyone sane that they have a case? Syed, you need to find some more credible sources.

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how should teenagers deal with porn and bikini ?

I suggest they wear the bikini and look at the porn. It's going to be too confusing the other way around.
 

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The sight of scantily clad women is arousing because it's unusual, Syed.
A century ago we in the West were aroused by the sight of a woman's leg. Now that it's a common sight no-one pays attention any more. Women may safely walk around in shorts and men are not aroused.

The cure for the immodest dress problem is more immodest dress.
Where immodesty becomes commonplace it ceases to be immodesty.

Well I can't speak for anyone else but I find the sight of some women in shorts pretty damn arousing. That said I am a normal male who can be aroused while still being a) responsible for my actions and b) able to exert self control such that my appreciation of an attractive person does not in any way impinge on their rights to wear what they like or their personal safety. It's pretty demeaning to assume that men in general cannot do so.
 

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man and woman have different attitude about sex, a man can stare at a woman without feeling shame but woman feel shame to stare at man

If this was true - and it's not, but if it was - surely it would be the men who should cover up from head to toe, so as not to cause shame to the women who'd have to look at them?

But of course, it's bullshit. The only way anybody feels shame from looking at the opposite sex is if they've been taught, had it drummed into them, that they should feel shame for doing what comes naturally to all but the blind. It's those who instil this attitude into their children who should feel ashamed.
 

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What about men? Why aren't they in burkas too? Do you assume that women don't lust and/or that a bare chested man can't arouse lust in a woman?

Syed, why didn't you answer these questions?

in islam men also must cover his body in public

man and woman have different attitude about sex, a man can stare at a woman without feeling shame but woman feel shame to stare at man

Men are not required to wear a burka or similar clothing anywhere in the world, and you know it. So why the double-standard? Because your paternalistic religion dictates it.

Moreover, any shame to be felt for finding the human body sexy is due to religious brain-washing - not any sort of innate characteristic. It is absolute nonsense for you to believe women inherently feel shame for lusting after a man's body.

Finally, you appear to have an extremely low opinion of men.
 

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so teen should be allow to watch porn?

Yes. Absolutely.
No, no. That takes all the fun out of it.
Teens should be forbidden to watch porn. I tell them, "Do not watch the smut that i keep in the back of my dresser, third left-hand drawer, under the '24 Empty Missile Tubes, It's Miller Time' t-shirt."
They are forbidden to go through my porn drawer, which they know is on my side of the bed, the left hand side, bottom drawer.
EVER!

And if i ever catch them, i point out what they did wrong. "Dammit! These are in alphabetical order! Pay attention!"
 

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In the first 30 seconds of http://youtu.be/o_znVnOizU8, it is mentioned that Sweden has gone from a very safe country for women to the rape capital of the world coincident with a massive Muslim immigration.

Do all Muslim men think with their dick like our local interlocutor? Do all of them think that when they rape it was the woman's fault for tempting them?
 
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