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I've always found head scarves to be a very sexy fashion accessory. That's why I found it odd that its supposed to be a sign of modesty or purity. The point about them simply being a marker for Muslim women so they won't get harassed makes more sense.
 

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I've always found head scarves to be a very sexy fashion accessory. That's why I found it odd that its supposed to be a sign of modesty or purity. The point about them simply being a marker for Muslim women so they won't get harassed makes more sense.

The headscarf thing in Iran is complexly intertwined with politics and national identity, social mores, and religion. Covering your head as a sign of being modest goes back much further than the origin of Islam, maybe even dating further into the past than the origin of Islam dates compared to the present day. It has always been a part of the culture and society of the region. It was also a class symbol, and the oldest laws written on the subjected (dating from the Achaemenid period) prohibited the wearing of veils by certain sectors of society.

Fast-forward about a thousand years and you get to the Islamic Middle East, and now the wearing of the veil has become part of the dutiful observation of Islamic standards of modesty.

Fast-forward to the mid-to-late 19th century, and the last King of Iran, The Shah, bans the wearing of the veil in an effort to Westernize the country. Unfortunately, this is seen by many in Iran as confirmation that he is little more than a colonialist puppet, and this perception was exploited by the influential Shia clerical factions which would end up seizing the momentum of the revolution that deposed The Shah. During the unrest leading up to the revolution against the Shah, many women started wearing the traditional chador as a symbol re-affirming the country's Persian and Islamic identity; so it functioned as a dual symbol: one of nationalism as well as religion.
 
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where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?
Blood sacrifices, beheadings, holy wars, nuclear explosions, rape and circumcisions.

about the clothes

Blood sacrifices, beheadings, holy wars and suicide bombing is MUCH more offensive and harmful to the public than a few immodestly dressed women, woundn't you agree? Such events are common in the Islamic world yet you never seem to take offense and speak out against such things. Why are your priorities so fucked up?

Syed, can you explain why women choosing to bare their breasts in public is wrong?

does women breast arouse you?
 

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What you find shocking is what you've been enculturated to find shocking, Syed. It is not natural to find uncovered hair or breasts shocking. This is learned.

Remember that a century ago the women in the Happy Muslims video wearing tight trousers would have been shocking to your average American, but today no-one cares, because we're used to it.
If Muslim women began uncovering their hair or going topless on hot days it would soon become unremarkable and arouse no interest as well.

Do you not agree?

where do you draw the line?

what shouldnt be shown in public?

Hey Syed, why don't you need to wear a hijab? Why is it only the women that have to cover up?

in islam men and women both have to cover up
 

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Sometimes, depending on the circumstances. You did not answer the question. What is wrong with a woman dressing immodestly?
 

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What is wrong with a woman dressing immodestly?

In Islam it is assumed that women are responsible for the lust in men, they must be hidden, covered.

If they appear too sexy they must be raped or your manhood is jeopardized...you might even be gay! :)
 

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What is wrong with a woman dressing immodestly?

In Islam it is assumed that women are responsible for the lust in men, they must be hidden, covered.

If they appear too sexy they must be raped or your manhood is jeopardized...you might even be gay! :)

why america became a number one rapist country?
 

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I've always found head scarves to be a very sexy fashion accessory. That's why I found it odd that its supposed to be a sign of modesty or purity. The point about them simply being a marker for Muslim women so they won't get harassed makes more sense.
what do you think about bikini wearing woman?
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?

if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

Why is that a problem for someone who's not you?

Does your plan for dealing with pedophilia involve getting rid of playgrounds, too?
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?

if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

So what? Are your actions ruled by your penis? Are you inspired to rape the woman, not your wife, who aroused you?

"I don't care where you get your appetite as long as you come home for lunch," said my sister to my brother-in-law. "You can look and whistle, but you dasn't touch."
 

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if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong
Not if you're an adult and smarter than your penis... Is that a large problem in your neighborhood?
imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection
My wife knows my tastes in women. And she has submitted the change of address forms for my Playboy subscription at least twice.

On the other hand, the only woman I have had sex with since 1984 is my wife.

I don't really think 'something might go wrong' is a good reason to force women under a veil.
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?


if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

So what? Are your actions ruled by your penis? Are you inspired to rape the woman, not your wife, who aroused you?

"I don't care where you get your appetite as long as you come home for lunch," said my sister to my brother-in-law. "You can look and whistle, but you dasn't touch."

problem is not you going to rape that woman but the problem is you lust after a woman you not married to, you like to have consensual adult sex with her while you are married
 

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Not if you're an adult and smarter than your penis... Is that a large problem in your neighborhood?
imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection
My wife knows my tastes in women. And she has submitted the change of address forms for my Playboy subscription at least twice.

On the other hand, the only woman I have had sex with since 1984 is my wife.

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you watch porn and you only have sex with your wife then you deserved noble prize
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?

if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

You haven't answered the question.
Why is this the woman's problem? Why must she be forced to dress like a potato just because the men cannot control themselves?
It may be uncomfortable to be walking around with an erection, but how is it harmful?

Why won't Syed ever answer a question directly? Does Syed not have an answer? :)

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What is wrong with a woman dressing immodestly?

In Islam it is assumed that women are responsible for the lust in men, they must be hidden, covered.

If they appear too sexy they must be raped or your manhood is jeopardized...you might even be gay! :)

why america became a number one rapist country?

You have made this claim before and it was shown to be bogus. Why do you knowingly repeat a bogus claim? Would Allah approve of your dishonest behavior? Why are not practicing being a good Muslim?

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I've always found head scarves to be a very sexy fashion accessory. That's why I found it odd that its supposed to be a sign of modesty or purity. The point about them simply being a marker for Muslim women so they won't get harassed makes more sense.
what do you think about bikini wearing woman?

Some women look really good in bikinis. Some women look really good wearing a colorful headscarf and nothing else. What's your point?

Why is Syed so obsessed with bikini wearing women?
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?

if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

Why is that a problem for someone who's not you?
i am the ONLY one who get erection by watching woman breast?

No. But you are the only one who seems to be obsessed with the idea of women's bare breasts.

Why should the women have to cover their breasts just because it might make some men uncomfortable? How is this right? Should we stop all Muslims from walking on public streets just because Muslims make some people uncomfortable? Do you understand what I am saying?
 

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i am the ONLY one who get erection by watching woman breast?

No, most other people do as well. What you're missing, however, is a rationale as to why that's the women's problem as opposed to our problem. You're quite free to blindfold yourself and have your wife lead you around town if that's your choice and you want to avoid any potential erections. The inability of certain men to not be able to control themselves is not something, however, that creates an onus on women to deal with.
 

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The sight of scantily clad women is arousing because it's unusual, Syed.
A century ago we in the West were aroused by the sight of a woman's leg. Now that it's a common sight no-one pays attention any more. Women may safely walk around in shorts and men are not aroused.

The cure for the immodest dress problem is more immodest dress.
Where immodesty becomes commonplace it ceases to be immodesty.
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?


if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

So what? Are your actions ruled by your penis? Are you inspired to rape the woman, not your wife, who aroused you?

"I don't care where you get your appetite as long as you come home for lunch," said my sister to my brother-in-law. "You can look and whistle, but you dasn't touch."

problem is not you going to rape that woman but the problem is you lust after a woman you not married to, you like to have consensual adult sex with her while you are married
I may "lust after" many things from time to time. The essential here is self-control. If no enaction of that lust follows due to self-control (recognizing that a contract made with self, an oath taken must override that lust) then nothing "bad" has happened. Perhaps even some good. Share your delight in her beauty with your wife later in private perhaps comparing the two and finding her (whether true or not) better in every feature (especially here, and surely there and this part is beyond compare!)
 

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Not if you're an adult and smarter than your penis... Is that a large problem in your neighborhood?
imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection
My wife knows my tastes in women. And she has submitted the change of address forms for my Playboy subscription at least twice.

On the other hand, the only woman I have had sex with since 1984 is my wife.

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you watch porn and you only have sex with your wife then you deserved noble prize
I watch porn, I write porn, I write fetish porn, and i have only ever had sex with my wife.
Oh, and i've been in foreign ports and ports at least 500 miles away from her and remained monogamous.

It's not that big a deal, Syed. Not out here, in the real world.
 

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Syed - if you are so weak that seeing women scantily clad (according to your definition) arouses your lust, then your eyes are committing sin, so you should take them out.

If you're not willing to blind yourself, then covering your eyes is a perfectly acceptable solution.

Your wife can then guide you around in public and you will be free from lusting after other women. You can just not work, stay at home and not leave unless a woman in your family accompanies you while you are blindfolded.

Since you committing the sin is the problem, I'm sure you're completely agreeable to this, so you can save your piety. Right?
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?


if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

So what? Are your actions ruled by your penis? Are you inspired to rape the woman, not your wife, who aroused you?

"I don't care where you get your appetite as long as you come home for lunch," said my sister to my brother-in-law. "You can look and whistle, but you dasn't touch."

problem is not you going to rape that woman but the problem is you lust after a woman you not married to, you like to have consensual adult sex with her while you are married
I may "lust after" many things from time to time. The essential here is self-control. If no enaction of that lust follows due to self-control (recognizing that a contract made with self, an oath taken must override that lust) then nothing "bad" has happened. Perhaps even some good. Share your delight in her beauty with your wife later in private perhaps comparing the two and finding her (whether true or not) better in every feature (especially here, and surely there and this part is beyond compare!)
so you feel nothing when you look at topless woman? is that man nature or just your?
 

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does women breast arouse you?

Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?

if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

So what? Are your actions ruled by your penis? Are you inspired to rape the woman, not your wife, who aroused you?

"I don't care where you get your appetite as long as you come home for lunch," said my sister to my brother-in-law. "You can look and whistle, but you dasn't touch."

what wrong with touching? if your brother-in-law come home back
 

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Syed - if you are so weak that seeing women scantily clad (according to your definition) arouses your lust, then your eyes are committing sin, so you should take them out.

you dont arouse when you see topless women?
 

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Not if you're an adult and smarter than your penis... Is that a large problem in your neighborhood?
imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection
My wife knows my tastes in women. And she has submitted the change of address forms for my Playboy subscription at least twice.

On the other hand, the only woman I have had sex with since 1984 is my wife.

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you watch porn and you only have sex with your wife then you deserved noble prize
I watch porn, I write porn, I write fetish porn, and i have only ever had sex with my wife.
Oh, and i've been in foreign ports and ports at least 500 miles away from her and remained monogamous.

It's not that big a deal, Syed. Not out here, in the real world.
what is cause in the west so many people having affair with women and with other men? and divorced?
 

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what is cause in the west so many people having affair with women and with other men? and divorced?
If twenty people have an affair, you probably have 40 causes.

Seeing women that aren't wearing veils is not the CAUSE of cheating.
Seeing women that aren't wearing modest clothing is not the cause of cheating.
Seeing women that aren't wearing any clothing is not the cause of cheating.

It's not a direct link, no matter what lies you've been told, Syed.
 

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what is cause in the west so many people having affair with women and with other men? and divorced?

Why do you think affairs are more common in the west? They´re not. In fact, research seems to indicate that men cheating on their partners is much more common the poorer the country is. Which means that affairs are likely to be much more common in the average Islamic country than the average western country. While men in islamic countries are more likely to condemn infidelity in strong terms, they´re by no means less likely to engage in it.
 

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Syed, why so much more honor rape in Muslim societies?
 

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Syed, why so much more honor rape in Muslim societies?

nonsense

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what is cause in the west so many people having affair with women and with other men? and divorced?

Why do you think affairs are more common in the west? They´re not. In fact, research seems to indicate that men cheating on their partners is much more common the poorer the country is. Which means that affairs are likely to be much more common in the average Islamic country than the average western country. While men in islamic countries are more likely to condemn infidelity in strong terms, they´re by no means less likely to engage in it.

what research?
 

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Syed - if you are so weak that seeing women scantily clad (according to your definition) arouses your lust, then your eyes are committing sin, so you should take them out.

you dont arouse when you see topless women?

Nope.

Even if I was, that's my problem, not theirs.

So, you ARE ready to blindfold or blind yourself because of your sin, right?
 

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Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?


if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

So what? Are your actions ruled by your penis? Are you inspired to rape the woman, not your wife, who aroused you?

"I don't care where you get your appetite as long as you come home for lunch," said my sister to my brother-in-law. "You can look and whistle, but you dasn't touch."

problem is not you going to rape that woman but the problem is you lust after a woman you not married to, you like to have consensual adult sex with her while you are married

Why is that a problem? Or more to the point, why should that be the woman's problem... It is your thoughts you need to control.
 

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what is cause in the west so many people having affair with women and with other men? and divorced?
If twenty people have an affair, you probably have 40 causes.

Seeing women that aren't wearing veils is not the CAUSE of cheating.
Seeing women that aren't wearing modest clothing is not the cause of cheating.
Seeing women that aren't wearing any clothing is not the cause of cheating.

It's not a direct link, no matter what lies you've been told, Syed.

most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing
 

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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing
. Your premise is baloney, but even if it had some basis in fact... What about men? Why aren't they in burkas too? Do you assume that women don't lust and/or that a bare chested man can't arouse lust in a woman?
 

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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing

Total bullshit. The sexiest scene in Body Heat, the one with the most sexual tension, the lust everyone remembered when they went home, Kathleen Turner's clothes did not come off.
Seriously, if you so lack imagination that you have to actually SEE boobies to find a woman attractive, then biology has failed you.
 
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It has been long my position that Mahoggian men should blind themselves that their lust should not lead them astray. Or they should do as the Kloran commands and confine their extramarital lust to hogs. "Oh believers, provided for you is the fellation of boars, and cunnilingus with sows. That is your relief outside of marriage" Surah 67:5, the Pig Pen. So Syed, are you going to blind yourself? Or are you going to confine your extramarital lust to pigs, as your holy book commands?

Eldarion Lathria
 

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Yes, but is wrong with being aroused?


if you are married man and you are aroused by stranger on street many thing could go wrong

imagine you are going for walk with your wife and you have erection

So what? Are your actions ruled by your penis? Are you inspired to rape the woman, not your wife, who aroused you?

"I don't care where you get your appetite as long as you come home for lunch," said my sister to my brother-in-law. "You can look and whistle, but you dasn't touch."

problem is not you going to rape that woman but the problem is you lust after a woman you not married to, you like to have consensual adult sex with her while you are married

Why is that a problem? Or more to the point, why should that be the woman's problem... It is your thoughts you need to control.

the nature of man is to lust after a woman who reviling her body

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It has been long my position that Mahoggian men should blind themselves that their lust should not lead them astray. Or they should do as the Kloran commands and confine their extramarital lust to hogs. "Oh believers, provided for you is the fellation of boars, and cunnilingus with sows. That is your relief outside of marriage" Surah 67:5, the Pig Pen. So Syed, are you going to blind yourself? Or are you going to confine your extramarital lust to pigs, as your holy book commands?

Eldarion Lathria

lol
 

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the nature of man is to lust after a woman who reviling her body

It is, but it's a nature that must be fought against in order not to sin.

So, Syed, you are going to blind yourself or go blindfold, right?
 

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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing

Total bullshit. The sexiest scene in Body Heat, the one with the most sexual tension, the lust everyone remembered when they went home, Kathleen Turner's clothes did not come off.
Seriously, if you so lack imagination that you have to actually SEE boobies to find a woman attractive, then biology has failed you.
tell us why do you watch porn if not for lust for woman body?
 

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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing

Total bullshit. The sexiest scene in Body Heat, the one with the most sexual tension, the lust everyone remembered when they went home, Kathleen Turner's clothes did not come off.
Seriously, if you so lack imagination that you have to actually SEE boobies to find a woman attractive, then biology has failed you.
tell us why do you watch porn if not for lust for woman body?
Of course it's out of lust for a woman's body. That feels good. What you don't seem to be processing is that Keith is an intelligent human being, and not a mongrel dog with no capacity for self-control, and also without a backward religious disease in his head urging him to abuse women and then blame them for it.
 

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what do you think about bikini wearing woman?
They're sexy too. My ideal fashion fantasy for a woman would be islamic style head scarf and shawl covering her torso with a g-string bikini bottom.
 

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what research?

Just about all of the studies that deal with comparing infidelity across different cultures and countries show this trend. Where do you think the reported rates of infidelity are highest? The West? Wrong! The highest rates are found in sub-saharan Africa, the poorest parts of Earth.

If you actually stop and think about it, it makes perfect sense. Men in poor societies face far fewer consequences when they get caught cheating. In the west, a man who gets caught might face an angry wife who sues him and takes away his children and half his wealth, which is something that can´t really happen in poorer countries. After all, in those countries, women just don´t have the same freedom to act that way. In many societies, muslim societies especially, they don´t even have the RIGHT to divorce their husbands except under very specific and rare circumstances. Even if they DO manage to get a divorce, the culture is such that the rest of society will forever look down on them for it. And as a result, she will have few options, after all, it is hard for women in those cultures to provide for themselves, and no other man will take them. So in those cultures, a woman who catches their husband cheating might feel she has no choice but to accept it. The man gets away with it more easily, so there´s less incentive to refrain from cheating.

This is even more true in societies where polygamy is considered acceptable, like is often the case in islamic societies. After all, when your culture already says that it is perfectly okay for a man to have more than one woman (but not okay for a woman to have more than one man), why even distinguish between a woman that is your wife and one that is not? It´s an easy jump to make.

But hey, if you want to pretend like western men are less faithful than islamic men, despite the facts and basic common sense telling us otherwise, go right ahead. :rolleyes:
 

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what research?

Just about all of the studies that deal with comparing infidelity across different cultures and countries show this trend. Where do you think the reported rates of infidelity are highest? The West? Wrong! The highest rates are found in sub-saharan Africa, the poorest parts of Earth.

If you actually stop and think about it, it makes perfect sense. Men in poor societies face far fewer consequences when they get caught cheating. In the west, a man who gets caught might face an angry wife who sues him and takes away his children and half his wealth, which is something that can´t really happen in poorer countries. After all, in those countries, women just don´t have the same freedom to act that way. In many societies, muslim societies especially, they don´t even have the RIGHT to divorce their husbands except under very specific and rare circumstances. Even if they DO manage to get a divorce, the culture is such that the rest of society will forever look down on them for it. And as a result, she will have few options, after all, it is hard for women in those cultures to provide for themselves, and no other man will take them. So in those cultures, a woman who catches their husband cheating might feel she has no choice but to accept it. The man gets away with it more easily, so there´s less incentive to refrain from cheating.

This is even more true in societies where polygamy is considered acceptable, like is often the case in islamic societies. After all, when your culture already says that it is perfectly okay for a man to have more than one woman (but not okay for a woman to have more than one man), why even distinguish between a woman that is your wife and one that is not? It´s an easy jump to make.

But hey, if you want to pretend like western men are less faithful than islamic men, despite the facts and basic common sense telling us otherwise, go right ahead. :rolleyes:
most affair happen because openness between opposite sex

in islamic society opposite sex are segregated
 

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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing

Total bullshit. The sexiest scene in Body Heat, the one with the most sexual tension, the lust everyone remembered when they went home, Kathleen Turner's clothes did not come off.
Seriously, if you so lack imagination that you have to actually SEE boobies to find a woman attractive, then biology has failed you.
tell us why do you watch porn if not for lust for woman body?
Of course it's out of lust for a woman's body. That feels good. .

you made my point
 

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most affair happen because openness between opposite sex

in islamic society opposite sex are segregated

Okay, so you didn´t actually READ a word of what I wrote, did you? Affairs are NOT more common in the west than they are in the islamic world! It doesn´t matter if you think they are because you segregate the sexes (which incidentally, you may TRY but will always FAIL at doing) and we don´t. (And incidentally, segregating the sexes the way you TRY to do is a big PART of the reason you will find affairs a common matter in the islamic world)

Oh, and earlier you were saying that most affairs happen because of lust. Now you´re saying most of them happen because we don´t segregate the sexes (what the fuck is this anyway, the 1800´s?). Which is it? It can´t be both, pick one.
 

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most affair happen because openness between opposite sex

in islamic society opposite sex are segregated

Okay, so you didn´t actually READ a word of what I wrote, did you? Affairs are NOT more common in the west than they are in the islamic world! It doesn´t matter if you think they are because you segregate the sexes (which incidentally, you may TRY but will always FAIL at doing) and we don´t. (And incidentally, segregating the sexes the way you TRY to do is a big PART of the reason you will find affairs a common matter in the islamic world)

Oh, and earlier you were saying that most affairs happen because of lust. Now you´re saying most of them happen because we don´t segregate the sexes (what the fuck is this anyway, the 1800´s?). Which is it? It can´t be both, pick one.
both are true
 

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most affair happen because openness between opposite sex

in islamic society opposite sex are segregated

Okay, so you didn´t actually READ a word of what I wrote, did you? Affairs are NOT more common in the west than they are in the islamic world! It doesn´t matter if you think they are because you segregate the sexes (which incidentally, you may TRY but will always FAIL at doing) and we don´t. (And incidentally, segregating the sexes the way you TRY to do is a big PART of the reason you will find affairs a common matter in the islamic world)

Oh, and earlier you were saying that most affairs happen because of lust. Now you´re saying most of them happen because we don´t segregate the sexes (what the fuck is this anyway, the 1800´s?). Which is it? It can´t be both, pick one.
both are true

First of all, if you´re going to respond don´t ignore half my post. Especially the more important half.

Secondly, they literally can NOT both be true. That´s not how the english language works. You can´t say that ´MOST of X is because of something´, while also saying that ´MOST of X is because of SOMETHING ELSE´. Those are two contradictory statements.

Thirdly, I´m going to bed because I just realized it makes no sense trying to argue with you about anything.
 

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most affair cause by lust and most lust cause by seeing woman in less clothing

Total bullshit. The sexiest scene in Body Heat, the one with the most sexual tension, the lust everyone remembered when they went home, Kathleen Turner's clothes did not come off.
Seriously, if you so lack imagination that you have to actually SEE boobies to find a woman attractive, then biology has failed you.
tell us why do you watch porn if not for lust for woman body?
Of course it's out of lust for a woman's body. That feels good. .

you made my point
Why did you leave off the rest of my post? That is dishonest. You have to be dishonest to continue defending a backward and inhumane ideology.
 
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