Illegal Immigration - Trump's Fearless Truth to PC Power

[ideologyhunter]

I only need Trump spouting off on his Birther nonsense to know what a low-grade, deceitful individual he is. He panders to the lowest element in the G.O.P. (both in intelligence and disposition.) He's useful to the extent that he keeps the nature of the hard right in focus and that he fans the extremist fire that hobbles the party with the independent voters. And no, he's not dumb enough to believe the Birther nonsense. He's just manipulative and cynical.

 

[KeepTalking]

If the intentionality of Mexico were the core point, you might have more than a micro-gripe. However, such pedantic hair-pulling over a turn of phrase is a red herring. Be it "sends", "facilitates", "encourages", "promotes" or simply "allows", the nation of Mexico exports poverty, criminals, and the poorly educated.

I understand that people who show themselves to be resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions on their freedom are unwelcome in the USA, where such traits are clearly frowned upon.

To the contrary, the USA unwisely accepted the "resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions" of the Sicilian Mafia, all rooted in a poor peasant society - not unlike Mexico.

And yet, here we are today, when the vast majority of Italian Americans are not going around murdering, stealing, loan sharking, and godfathering. They are making valuable contributions to our society, and are wholly integrated with it. Not unlike the vast majority of Mexican Americans, despite the idiocy that spews forth from The Donald's mouth.

 

[maxparrish]

Top 5 Districts for Criminal Cases in U.S. District Court are on Mexican Border

...41.7 percent of the federal criminal cases that U.S. attorneys filed in U.S. district courts in fiscal 2014 were in the five U.S. attorneys' districts that sit along the U.S.-Mexico border.

In fact, the five districts that sit along the border — those for Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, Western Texas and Southern Texas — were the top five in the country for criminal cases filed in U.S. district courts.

The office of the U.S. attorney for Western Texas led the nation last year in filing criminal cases in U.S. district court, according to the United States Attorneys' Annual Statistical Report for Fiscal 2014.

During the fiscal year, according to Table 1 in the report, the U.S. attorney for Western Texas filed 5,832 criminal cases in U.S. district court.

...Together, the five U.S. attorneys' districts that span the U.S.-Mexico border filed 23,457 criminal cases in U.S. district courts in fiscal 2014. That equaled 41.7 percent of the 56,218 criminal cased that U.S. attorneys nationwide filed in U.S. district courts.

A similar pattern appears in the number of criminal defendants found guilty as a result of cases filed U.S. district courts in fiscal 2014.

During the year, according to Table 2A, the five districts along the U.S.-Mexico border were the top five in the nation for the number of defendants found guilty in U.S. district court.

The District of Western Texas was again No. 1, with 7,302 criminal defendants found guilty in U.S. district court. Southern Texas was second with 6,484. Arizona was third with 4,957. New Mexico was fourth with 4,392. And Southern California was fifth with 4,100.

...The U.S. attorneys also filed criminal charges against defendants in federal magistrate courts — as opposed to U.S. district courts.

"In addition to criminal cases brought before United States district judges, the United States Attorneys also handle a considerable criminal caseload before United States magistrate judges," explained the U.S. attorneys' statistical report for fiscal 2013. "The utilization of magistrate judges varies from district to district in response to local conditions and changing caseloads."

"Magistrate judges are authorized by statute to perform a variety of duties as assigned by the United States district judges, including presiding over misdemeanor trials, conducting preliminary hearings, and entering rulings or recommended dispositions on pretrial motions," said the report.

In fiscal 2014, according to the Table 2B, 67,401 criminal defendants were determined to be guilty in magistrate proceedings. Of those, 63,253 — or 93.8 percent — were in the five districts along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Southern Texas (24,455), Arizona (23,446), and Western Texas (14,379) were the top three districts for criminal defendants found guilty in magistrate proceedings.

Obviously, the offenses people are convicted of in federal courts are not local crimes but federal ones. According to the statistical report's Table 3A, the top category of offense for those found guilty in U.S. district courts nationwide in fiscal 2014 was immigration offenses. 23,871 defendants nationwide were found guilty of those. 23,387 were found guilty of drug offenses. 12,617 were found guilty of violent crime.

It is a fair conclusion from the Justice Department's data that if the federal government does not enforce our southern border, it must do much more to enforce our federal laws just north of it,,,

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/t...l-criminal-cases-5-districts-us-mexico-border

Trump, "the fool" speaks to truth .

 

[untermensche]

Yes yes yes.

The insane "war on drugs" yields a lot of arrests.

And immigration offenses on a border between a capitalist hell hole and the US are not surprising.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

In fact, the five districts that sit along the border — those for Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, Western Texas and Southern Texas — were the top five in the country for criminal cases filed in U.S. district courts.

This is Shocking! Shocking I say. It's almost like the Border Patrol patrols the border. What's next?

I love the source. "The Jennerization of America!"

 

[KeepTalking]

So, max, it would appear that what you are saying is that, in the places where we have the most people immigrating into the country illegally, we see the highest number of arrests and convictions for illegal immigration. Exactly what does this have to do with Mexicans being rapists and murderers?

 

[Keith&Co.]

If the intentionality of Mexico were the core point, you might have more than a micro-gripe. .

But the Donald is treating Mexico and their immigrants as a single, coherent unit. He's not distinguishing between the Government and the legal immigrants and the illegals and the Mexico-based business. It's all 'The Mexicans' to him and his gripes sweep them all together. So, yeah, from his POV he's treating the presence of some immigrants' behavior as a problem for all of Mexico. Pointing out that is an error is more than a microgripe against someone who claims he wants to be in the driver's seat for our foreign policy.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

It's all 'The Mexicans' to him and his gripes sweep them all together.

Sounds like the average conservative, anyone brown is an "illegal".

 

[maxparrish]

If the intentionality of Mexico were the core point, you might have more than a micro-gripe. However, such pedantic hair-pulling over a turn of phrase is a red herring. Be it "sends", "facilitates", "encourages", "promotes" or simply "allows" the nation of Mexico exports poverty, criminals, and the poorly educated.

Could you link to the specific program of the Mexican Government that encourages emigration?

Or are you leaning on the word "allows" and proposing that Mexico becomes the North Korea of the western hemisphere?

As I plainly stated, one needs not "lean" on any particular word used in a figure of speech that is beside the point. The core truth in Trumps rant is not in Mexico's intentionality or (in)actions, it is in his highlighting of the character of immigrants from Mexico. Most folks, outside of this forum, know that to be the wide-spread controversial issue.

That said, it also happens to be true that Mexico has facilitated illegal immigration, one of the more notorious examples being government issued comic books instructing illegals how to do so. And when it comes to intentions and other actions, it is self-evident:

Yes it makes me indignant, and it makes Mexicans indignant," Pena Nieto said in the interview, when asked whether deportations angered him.

"There's a lack of conscience, something which shouldn't only alert and worry Mexicans, it should also worry the American government and they should take up the issue," said Pena Nieto.

Pena Nieto added that he sees a willingness on the part of the Obama administration to change immigration laws, and that reform which provides a path to citizenship should "have the backing and aid of the various political forces" in the United States.

In other words, his message is don't "send" our citizens back even if they illegally entered the U.S. and, by the way, give our illegals US citizenship. Left unstated was that while they want illegals to stay in the US, send money home, and vote in US elections, they don't want them to actually assimilate. Hence, Mexico has given 'nationality' status to all foreign naturalized persons born in Mexico AND also to their foreign born children (regardless of citizenship).

Isn't it nice of them to "send" their best and brightest?

 

[barbos]

Just send Donald to Mexico.

 

[laughing dog]

I often wonder if these types of OPs are not generational confirmation of the less than the brightest emigrating to the US.

 

[Ford]

So, max, it would appear that what you are saying is that, in the places where we have the most people immigrating into the country illegally, we see the highest number of arrests and convictions for illegal immigration. Exactly what does this have to do with Mexicans being rapists and murderers?

What max is saying is that Mexicans are inherently criminal. Unlike Trump, who at least tries to pretend he likes Mexicans in general, max not only doesn't like them, but will happily post statistics to justify his prejudice against them.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Could you link to the specific program of the Mexican Government that encourages emigration?

Or are you leaning on the word "allows" and proposing that Mexico becomes the North Korea of the western hemisphere?

As I plainly stated, one needs not "lean" on any particular word used in a figure of speech that is beside the point. The core truth in Trumps rant is not in Mexico's intentionality or (in)actions, it is in his highlighting of the character of immigrants from Mexico. Most folks, outside of this forum, know that to be the wide-spread controversial issue.

Interesting since they are such good workers businesses continue to hire them over lazy Americans. So Trump is correct that these folks are rapists?

Pena Nieto added that he sees a willingness on the part of the Obama administration to change immigration laws, and that reform which provides a path to citizenship should "have the backing and aid of the various political forces" in the United States.

Like Ronald Reagan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Does anybody really need to give a serious response to a thread which talks about something Trump said?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Does anybody really need to give a serious response to a thread which talks about something Trump said?

Talks about? Yes, we need to be serious about the risk of that sort of statement reflecting our Glorious Leader.

However.

To an OP that lauds something The Donald said? Maybe not so much.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Does anybody really need to give a serious response to a thread which talks about something Trump said?

Talks about? Yes, we need to be serious about the risk of that sort of statement reflecting our Glorious Leader.

However.

To an OP that lauds something The Donald said? Maybe not so much.

OK, fair point. A thread that talks about "Holy shit, did you hear what Trump just said?" is good for the humour value of laughing about whatever idiotic thing Trump just said. Having a serious discussion about something Trump said, however, isn't really a justifiable use of a conversation.

 

[ksen]

My wife is very conservative, shocking I know, and she can't believe that Trump's numbers are going up the more ridiculous he gets.

This may be my opening to get her converted into a dirty socialist.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Bottom line: We need the cheap labor. All the rest you can flush down the toilet.

The most important point is that we all benefit from the lower-cost immigrant labor. Cheap labor is good for the economy, despite the snake-oil economics preached to the masses. Benefit to consumers is the highest priority, not all those phony "jobs" he's promising.

There should be no "reforms" that would threaten this. No crackdowns at worksites, no employer sanctions.

As long as it's only hot air from a foaming-at-the-mouth demagogue peddling populist pablum puke to pumpkin-brain idiots, and that's as far as it goes, maybe there's no harm --

Maybe in states with an open primary he'll steal some votes away from Bernie Sanders, the other ranting-and-raving "jobs! jobs! jobs!" populist.

 

[bilby]

If the intentionality of Mexico were the core point, you might have more than a micro-gripe. However, such pedantic hair-pulling over a turn of phrase is a red herring. Be it "sends", "facilitates", "encourages", "promotes" or simply "allows", the nation of Mexico exports poverty, criminals, and the poorly educated.

I understand that people who show themselves to be resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions on their freedom are unwelcome in the USA, where such traits are clearly frowned upon.

To the contrary, the USA unwisely accepted the "resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions" of the Sicilian Mafia, all rooted in a poor peasant society - not unlike Mexico.

... (they) have the highest level of means tested welfare. 60 percent have failed to graduate from high school; after they arrive 35 percent of them and their US born children live in poverty and 68 percent are either near or in poverty. 57 percent require means-tested government programs to subsidize their "yearning to be free" (or was that a yearning for the free?).

And while they do make progress, even after two decades on almost every indicator they are far behind the native born population, as well as immigrants from every other country. (And after here twenty years, their welfare rate INCREASES).

So, when compared with a population that includes the most privileged people on the planet, they don't perform as well? And they are outperformed by immigrants to the US from such third-world shit-holes as Canada or the United Kingdom (where the majority are native English speakers)? What a huge surprise. I bet that's because of their brown skin and genetic laziness

"So when compared" to not just Canadians and the British Kingdom, but also compared to South Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Russians, Indians, and Arabs. Unfortunately, not a huge surprise.

Donald Trump is a moron. History is replete with popular morons, and with disasters brought upon those who follow the popular morons who manage to achieve power.

This OP brings to mind the question Obi-Wan Kenobi asked in A New Hope - "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

Or the fool who focuses on the fool's antics, rather than the truth of his message?

"I've got mine, fuck the rest of you - particularly if your skin is darker than mine!", may, coming from Trump, be true; but it is hardly laudable.

Nor is his "brave" stance in standing up and saying what he thinks, risking the approbation and support of the large pool of moronic rednecks to whom he is appealing.

Your OP is thinly veiled racist tripe; disguised as mere support for the thinly veiled racist tripe of Trump and his supporters. Throwing a dictionary at it isn't helping to obscure this fact.

 

[bilby]

Could you link to the specific program of the Mexican Government that encourages emigration?

Or are you leaning on the word "allows" and proposing that Mexico becomes the North Korea of the western hemisphere?

As I plainly stated, one needs not "lean" on any particular word used in a figure of speech that is beside the point. The core truth in Trumps rant is not in Mexico's intentionality or (in)actions, it is in his highlighting of the character of immigrants from Mexico. Most folks, outside of this forum, know that to be the wide-spread controversial issue.

That said, it also happens to be true that Mexico has facilitated illegal immigration, one of the more notorious examples being government issued comic books instructing illegals how to do so. And when it comes to intentions and other actions, it is self-evident:

Yes it makes me indignant, and it makes Mexicans indignant," Pena Nieto said in the interview, when asked whether deportations angered him.

"There's a lack of conscience, something which shouldn't only alert and worry Mexicans, it should also worry the American government and they should take up the issue," said Pena Nieto.

Pena Nieto added that he sees a willingness on the part of the Obama administration to change immigration laws, and that reform which provides a path to citizenship should "have the backing and aid of the various political forces" in the United States.

In other words, his message is don't "send" our citizens back even if they illegally entered the U.S. and, by the way, give our illegals US citizenship. Left unstated was that while they want illegals to stay in the US, send money home, and vote in US elections, they don't want them to actually assimilate. Hence, Mexico has given 'nationality' status to all foreign naturalized persons born in Mexico AND also to their foreign born children (regardless of citizenship).

Isn't it nice of them to "send" their best and brightest?

It seems that the Mexican Government have taken on the principled stand of one Sir Robert Muldoon, Prime Minister of New Zealand from 1975-1984, who when asked if he was concerned about the number of New Zealanders choosing to emigrate to Australia, said that he was not concerned in the least, as this migration served to increase the IQs of both countries.