Where's our Sarah Bland thread?

[ksen]

Sandra Bland might still be alive if a Texas trooper hadn't escalated a traffic stop

The lesson to take away from this: smoking kills.

 

[Derec]

Sandra Bland might still be alive if a Texas trooper hadn't escalated a traffic stop

Didn't she escalate by refusing his lawful orders and by being combative/resisting thereafter? Particularly, once he ordered her out of the car and she refused he had no choice but to respond to her escalation by escalating himself.
The most tragic thing thing is that he initially wanted to just give her a warning. Had she not acted like a dumbass she could have been on her way literally 2 minutes after he came back with the warning.

The lesson to take away from this: smoking kills.

If I'd said something this insensitive I'd have been attacked.
Btw, apparently she lit up while she was waiting for him to run her (rather lengthy) driving and criminal record. Was it a deliberate attempt to provoke? After all, she was an anti-police activist.

Also an important thing is that BLM/anti-police activists insist that it was a murder even though there has been no evidence suggesting that and she admitted in one of her videos that she was depressed. That sort of extremism and always assuming the police are murderers (only in regard to black people, when a white suspect killed himself in the same jail a few years ago there were no protests calling it "murder") is counterproductive.
They also attacked Sanders and Spineless O'Malley (who apologized for saying that all lives matter) at a Netroots event - I wonder if they were paid by Hillary campaign to do so.

 

[ksen]

Particularly, once he ordered her out of the car and she refused he had no choice but to respond to her escalation by escalating himself.

The stop was over. He did have a choice.

 

[laughing dog]

I'm confused. How did Ms. Bland's legal act of smoking while in her car prevent the police officer from giving her a warning?

 

[KeepTalking]

Didn't she escalate by refusing his lawful orders and by being combative/resisting thereafter?

Is it a lawful order when you order someone to stop doing something that is not against the law?

Or, is any order a cop gives to someone a lawful order?

 

[prideandfall]

Didn't she escalate by refusing his lawful orders and by being combative/resisting thereafter?

several things here:
1. aren't you the one with the constitutional hard on? where is the amendment that says "cops can arbitrarily demand that you stop doing lawful activities that are in no way interfering with them doing their job, and then physically assault you mere seconds later if you refuse their demands"?
2. if you consider refusing an unlawful order from a cop is being combative or resisting, then you have a very serious issue with your authoritarian cop worship getting in the way of basic logic skills.

Particularly, once he ordered her out of the car and she refused he had no choice but to respond to her escalation by escalating himself.

the order to stop smoking was unlawful and the order to get out of the car was unlawful - being a cop doesn't give you the legal right to force anyone to do anything on a whim, there was zero legal basis for anything the cop did short of pulling her over and giving her a ticket for a traffic violation.
here's a choice: let the woman be a belligerent harpy, give her a traffic ticket, and leave.

The most tragic thing thing is that he initially wanted to just give her a warning. Had she not acted like a dumbass she could have been on her way literally 2 minutes after he came back with the warning.

yes, it is tragic this cop's ego got a woman killed.

 

[KeepTalking]

Btw, apparently she lit up while she was waiting for him to run her (rather lengthy) driving and criminal record. Was it a deliberate attempt to provoke?

More likely it was a deliberate attempt to do what smokers do, smoke cigarettes when they are just waiting around and have nothing better to do.

 

[prideandfall]

Btw, apparently she lit up while she was waiting for him to run her (rather lengthy) driving and criminal record. Was it a deliberate attempt to provoke?

More likely it was a deliberate attempt to do what smokers do, smoke cigarettes when they are just waiting around and have nothing better to do.

they're rather notorious for deciding to smoke in situations they find stressful as a way to relieve the stress a bit.

 

[jladam]

Didn't she escalate by refusing his lawful orders and by being combative/resisting thereafter?

Is it a lawful order when you order someone to stop doing something that is not against the law?

Or, is any order a cop gives to someone a lawful order?

Actually, it wasn't even an "order." It was a question. The exact phrasing was, "Do you mind putting out your cigarette?" He asked her a question and she give him an honest answer.

 

[ksen]

Btw, apparently she lit up while she was waiting for him to run her (rather lengthy) driving and criminal record. Was it a deliberate attempt to provoke?

More likely it was a deliberate attempt to do what smokers do, smoke cigarettes when they are just waiting around and have nothing better to do.

As a smoker I can vouch for this. Make me sit around for more than a minute with nothing to do and I'll be lighting up just from being bored.

 

[braces_for_impact]

There was no cause for arrest in the first place. It's the same thing we see over and over. A cop gets a raging boner because someone didn't follow his nonsensical instructions.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

So, he should have just stood there and died of lung cancer from secondhand smoke?

Clearly this was self-defence.

 

[dismal]

Sandra Bland might still be alive if a Texas trooper hadn't escalated a traffic stop

The lesson to take away from this: smoking kills.

She might be alive if she hadn't killed herself.

Killing yourself kills.

 

[Bronzeage]

I've watched the video. Sarah Bland's real offense was deciding to make someone else's day a little harder because she was having a bad day. This is a common personality type. It's so common, two of them appear in his video.

It turned out bad for Miss Bland and not real well for the trooper.

When you're handcuffed and in the back seat of a police car, it doesn't really matter how right one was, or how much one was within their rights. It was a grand gesture for a trivial problem.

Whether this is connected to Miss Bland's death, or not, I cannot say, but I can say that she could have saved herself a lot of trouble when the trooper stopped her.

 

[fromderinside]

She said she puller over because he was riding her bumper. If true, the one having the bad day was the trooper. But, cover of law and all that, right?

 

[Bronzeage]

She said she puller over because he was riding her bumper. If true, the one having the bad day was the trooper. But, cover of law and all that, right?

That's what she said.

What would you have done in her situation? Would you try to get you money's worth out of your sidewalk law degree?

 

[TSwizzle]

That cop needs to be fired. So does his supervisor.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Law enforcement officers are the trained professional in the interactions they have on the job. They are also the parties given the legal use of force up to and including deadly force. For these reason's they are held to a higher standard of conduct. The trooper did not handle this well.

The Texas Commission on Jail Standards criticized the Waller County Jail for insufficient training and for failing to check on inmates face-to-face every hour, and ordered it to come into compliance.

The Waller County Sheriff's Office said its jailers had received mental health training, though not in the past year. The office acknowledged that guards used the intercom to check in on Bland rather than an in-person inspection as required. But the sheriff's office said it has no reason to believe either of these deficiencies contributed to Bland's death.

The jailers were negligent and in violation of standards. The jailers did not handle this well.

And does anyone know how the bag got in the cell?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Didn't she escalate by refusing his lawful orders and by being combative/resisting thereafter?

No.

Mainly because "please put out your cigarette" is not a lawful order. Nor, for that matter, is arresting her for failing to do so a lawful action by a police officer. This, again, is another curious case of a person being arrested on the charge of "resisting arrest."

The most tragic thing thing is that he initially wanted to just give her a warning.

And she didn't show due deference to his authority and his wise and generous policework like the last person he pulled over. She gave him an attitude and refused to put out her cigarette. For that, she no longer gets a warning. She doesn't even get a ticket. She violated the most sacred law of the land: "Don't piss me off." The penalty for that is a trip to jail and, apparently, three days lockup without charge.

And here we have an officer who looses his temper after 30 seconds of listening to her ranting. Imagine how pissed off they'd be after THREE DAYS of that.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Law enforcement officers are the trained professional in the interactions they have on the job. They are also the parties given the legal use of force up to and including deadly force. For these reason's they are held to a higher standard of conduct. The trooper did not handle this well.

The Texas Commission on Jail Standards criticized the Waller County Jail for insufficient training and for failing to check on inmates face-to-face every hour, and ordered it to come into compliance.

The Waller County Sheriff's Office said its jailers had received mental health training, though not in the past year. The office acknowledged that guards used the intercom to check in on Bland rather than an in-person inspection as required. But the sheriff's office said it has no reason to believe either of these deficiencies contributed to Bland's death.

The jailer's were negligent and in violation of standards. The jailers did not handle this well.

And does anyone know how the bag got in the cell?

Trash can liner. Now removed from all cells.