Where's our Sarah Bland thread?

[laughing dog]

She said she puller over because he was riding her bumper. If true, the one having the bad day was the trooper. But, cover of law and all that, right?

That's what she said.

What would you have done in her situation? Would you try to get you money's worth out of your sidewalk law degree?

How does any of that address the over-reaction of the police officer? Yes, it is smart not to antagonize the police. But the police ought not to be antagonized by someone refusing to put her cigarette while in her own car.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

She said she puller over because he was riding her bumper.

He wasn't, but it DOES look like she pulled over to let him go by.

For that matter, he pulled her over for changing lanes without signaling, for which he a) stopped her for almost 6 minutes and ran her record and b) had no intention of giving her an actual ticket and was just going to let her off with a warning anyway. IOW, he was pretty much just being an authoritarian bag of dicks.

He rolled up on Sandra in the middle of a power trip. Sandra told him where he could shove his power, and he snapped.

Does anyone here honestly believe that even a person suffering depression would go from "combative and belligerent" to "suicidal" after just three days in lockup? I personally don't. Not unless something happened during those three days that pushed her over the edge. That, of course, is assuming the police' version of the story is reliable, and if the dashcam is any indication, it ISN'T.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Law enforcement officers are the trained professional in the interactions they have on the job. They are also the parties given the legal use of force up to and including deadly force. For these reason's they are held to a higher standard of conduct. The trooper did not handle this well.

The Texas Commission on Jail Standards criticized the Waller County Jail for insufficient training and for failing to check on inmates face-to-face every hour, and ordered it to come into compliance.

The Waller County Sheriff's Office said its jailers had received mental health training, though not in the past year. The office acknowledged that guards used the intercom to check in on Bland rather than an in-person inspection as required. But the sheriff's office said it has no reason to believe either of these deficiencies contributed to Bland's death

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/death-sandra-bland-what-we-know-so-far-n396036



The jailer's were negligent and in violation of standards. The jailers did not handle this well.

And does anyone know how the bag got in the cell?

Trash can liner. Now removed from all cells.

So it was within normal procedure to leave plastic bags, a potentially dangerous weapon, in the reach of inmates?

Jesus Christ Superstar

 

[Playball40]

Btw, apparently she lit up while she was waiting for him to run her (rather lengthy) driving and criminal record. Was it a deliberate attempt to provoke?

More likely it was a deliberate attempt to do what smokers do, smoke cigarettes when they are just waiting around and have nothing better to do.

Or are nervous/uncomfortable. Like when getting pulled over for effectively nothing.

 

[Playball40]

She said she puller over because he was riding her bumper.

He wasn't, but it DOES look like she pulled over to let him go by.

For that matter, he pulled her over for changing lanes without signaling, for which he a) stopped her for almost 6 minutes and ran her record and b) had no intention of giving her an actual ticket and was just going to let her off with a warning anyway. IOW, he was pretty much just being an authoritarian bag of dicks.

He rolled up on Sandra in the middle of a power trip. Sandra told him where he could shove his power, and he snapped.

Does anyone here honestly believe that even a person suffering depression would go from "combative and belligerent" to "suicidal" after just three days in lockup? I personally don't. Not unless something happened during those three days that pushed her over the edge. That, of course, is assuming the police' version of the story is reliable, and if the dashcam is any indication, it ISN'T.

I really doubt she killed herself. Unless that blow to her head was worse that first thought. I wonder if she died and they are trying to cover.

 

[ksen]

What would you have done in her situation?

I could never be in her situation since I am not a black woman with all the extra baggage that entails. I am a white man that grew up in America with all the attendant privileges of a white man. I could not possibly fathom how I'd react in her situation and I think it'd be a bit presumptuous of me to even try.

 

[dismal]

What would you have done in her situation?

I could never be in her situation since I am not a black woman with all the extra baggage that entails. I am a white man that grew up in America with all the attendant privileges of a white man. I could not possibly fathom how I'd react in her situation and I think it'd be a bit presumptuous of me to even try.

You've never been pulled over by a cop?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Does anyone here honestly believe that even a person suffering depression would go from "combative and belligerent" to "suicidal" after just three days in lockup? I personally don't.

I have a bi-polar teenager who has attempted suicide several times. I can tell you that, never mind "combative and belligerent", she can go from happy to suicidal in a matter of hours.

 

[ksen]

I could never be in her situation since I am not a black woman with all the extra baggage that entails. I am a white man that grew up in America with all the attendant privileges of a white man. I could not possibly fathom how I'd react in her situation and I think it'd be a bit presumptuous of me to even try.

You've never been pulled over by a cop?

As a black woman? No.

 

[Derec]

As a black woman? No.

Being a reasonably attractive woman could have helped her with regard to the traffic stop actually.

I doubt very much that if you, in all your ksenness, sought to antgonize the police officer is similar fashion to Bland you would have gotten a different result.

 

[Bronzeage]

That's what she said.

What would you have done in her situation? Would you try to get you money's worth out of your sidewalk law degree?

How does any of that address the over-reaction of the police officer? Yes, it is smart not to antagonize the police. But the police ought not to be antagonized by someone refusing to put her cigarette while in her own car.

Nothing justifies the over reaction of the police officer. Does that make antagonizing a person who has immediate power over your personal freedom a good idea?

It's never a good idea to depend upon a policeman to make the correct decision in a stressful situation.

 

[Bronzeage]

What would you have done in her situation?

I could never be in her situation since I am not a black woman with all the extra baggage that entails. I am a white man that grew up in America with all the attendant privileges of a white man. I could not possibly fathom how I'd react in her situation and I think it'd be a bit presumptuous of me to even try.

I am not a black woman either, but I was once a 20 year old man with hair to my shoulders, a full beard and a 1960 Ford Galaxy with glass pack mufflers. I was stopped a few times for letting my tire touch the center line. It was usually a bored sheriff's deputy who wanted to check out the hippy. Since I never smelled of beer, whisky, or marijuana, and my registration was always current, it was just a tense little encounter and about 20 minutes out of my life while he ran my driver's license number for prior violations.

I stayed quiet and leaned against my car with my hands in plain sight. It always ended the same way. I got my papers back with a "Thank you and drive safely." Any one of those stops could have ended differently, had I decided to tell the deputy what a poor job he was doing.

 

[Derec]

I really doubt she killed herself. Unless that blow to her head was worse that first thought. I wonder if she died and they are trying to cover.

BLM types (who are, btw, threatening to disrupt all Dem debates) and her family are claiming that she would not have killed herself because she had just gotten a new job, was moving, etc. But her arrest would have put that job offer in jeopardy, so far from being a reason against suicide hypothesis would be a reason in favor of it. She seemed volatile, as can be seen from the arrest video. She also owed many thousands of dollars in court fines and fees, mostly for driving violations (including several instances of driving without insurance) and her driver's licence was about to be revoked.
Suburban Woman Found Dead in Jail Had Previous Encounters With Police She had some serious demons.

There have been two autopsies so we should know real soon
- the actual cause of death
- whether she had any (significant) head injury
- whether she had any (significant) arm injury (she claimed her arm was broken)

 

[Derec]

So it was within normal procedure to leave plastic bags, a potentially dangerous weapon, in the reach of inmates?

Apparently the inmates in this jail had access to a vending machine and needed a place to discard wrappers. As Hortio said, the trash cans have been removed. Thanks Sandra for ruining it for everyone.

 

[jladam]

Being a reasonably attractive woman could have helped her with regard to the traffic stop actually.

So what you're saying is that being a reasonably attractive female somehow entitles one to more prosecutorial discretion than someone else? You, of all people, advocating that a female should have used her female attractiveness to get out of a traffic stop.

 

[Derec]

He wasn't, but it DOES look like she pulled over to let him go by.

Well turn signals exist for a reason. Judging from her driving record, she was a lousy driver.

For that matter, he pulled her over for changing lanes without signaling, for which he a) stopped her for almost 6 minutes and ran her record and b) had no intention of giving her an actual ticket and was just going to let her off with a warning anyway. IOW, he was pretty much just being an authoritarian bag of dicks.

So now he is an "authoritarian bag of dicks" for
- running her record as required. By the way, hers is quite a long read.
- planning to give her a warning. I guess giving her an actual ticket would have been much less authoritarian, not to mention much less baggy and dickish.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Police don't have power over the citizens, they are there to protect and SERVE the citizens. and whatever power they are given by the citizenry is to be used in furtherance of the protection and service of the citizenry. Yet too many citizens keep buying into this belief that going along to get along is the answer. It isn't. Every time a police officer gets away with bullying and abuse, it just reinforces the behavior. Every time a well meaning citizen says "Don't antagonize the police," it sounds an awful lot like saying "Don't wear that skirt dear. Don't want to draw the wrong kind of attention."

We won't have better behaved police until we demand it of them and hold them accountable when they do wrong.

 

[credoconsolans]

Latest news is that despite her family saying she wasn't suicidal, they don't seem to know she suffered from depression and apparently attempted suicide before.

Not looking good so far for a murder plot.

 

[laughing dog]

I could never be in her situation since I am not a black woman with all the extra baggage that entails. I am a white man that grew up in America with all the attendant privileges of a white man. I could not possibly fathom how I'd react in her situation and I think it'd be a bit presumptuous of me to even try.

I am not a black woman either, but I was once a 20 year old man with hair to my shoulders, a full beard and a 1960 Ford Galaxy with glass pack mufflers. I was stopped a few times for letting my tire touch the center line. It was usually a bored sheriff's deputy who wanted to check out the hippy. Since I never smelled of beer, whisky, or marijuana, and my registration was always current, it was just a tense little encounter and about 20 minutes out of my life while he ran my driver's license number for prior violations.

I stayed quiet and leaned against my car with my hands in plain sight. It always ended the same way. I got my papers back with a "Thank you and drive safely." Any one of those stops could have ended differently, had I decided to tell the deputy what a poor job he was doing.

Again, you seem to think any of this relevant to the police officer over-reacting and the fact she is black.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So it was within normal procedure to leave plastic bags, a potentially dangerous weapon, in the reach of inmates?

Apparently the inmates in this jail had access to a vending machine and needed a place to discard wrappers. As Hortio said, the trash cans have been removed. Thanks Sandra for ruining it for everyone.

Beating up on dead people again, Derec?