Cop Indicted For Murder

[ZiprHead]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/07/29/publish/30830777/

Deters, whose office reviews all shootings involving police officers, said he’s never seen a case of such poor policing. Even if DuBose was attempting to drive off, he said, Tensing should have let him go.

“He wasn’t dealing with someone wanted for murder. He was dealing with someone without a front license plate,” Deters said, describing that offense as “chicken crap stuff.”

“Some people want to believe Mr. DuBose did something violent toward the officer,” Deters said. “He did not. He did not at all.”

 

[Rhea]

And how do people like that get onto the force? And so often?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Did DuBose have a cigarette in the car? If so, he could have thrown it at the cop and killed him. A clear case of self-defence and the charges should be dropped against the officer.

 

[ronburgundy]

Did DuBose have a cigarette in the car? If so, he could have thrown it at the cop and killed him. A clear case of self-defence and the charges should be dropped against the officer.

Yeah, because telling someone to put out a cigarette is the same as shooting them. Or were trying to mock the people who do equate the two and thus blame that cop for the women who hung herself?

 

[Derec]

Watching the video (which gets shaky around the time of the actual shooting and is blurred to boot) I have a few thoughts
- Dubose had no business driving a vehicle. Indefinitely suspended driver's licence and likely intoxicated (gave cop a booze bottle instead of a license)
- Dubose becomes verbally combative and then clearly resists, trying to prevent the cop from opening the car door.
- I would say about the only way the shooting could be justified is if the cop saw Dubose move his hands in such a way that he could have retrieved a weapon himself. He did not do himself any favors by lying about being dragged by the vehicle though, in resemblance to another case in Cinncinati from 15 years ago where both the cop and the 12 year old perp died.
- I think voluntary manslaughter is a more appropriate charge than murder
- With DA's statements it is almost certain now that the county will pay out many millions to Dubose's kin. Of course, once it gets distributed to all his children and baby mamas it might not be so much per capita. Currently they estimate he has 13-20 children but expect more to come out of the woodwork now.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Did DuBose have a cigarette in the car? If so, he could have thrown it at the cop and killed him. A clear case of self-defence and the charges should be dropped against the officer.

Yeah, because telling someone to put out a cigarette is the same as shooting them. Or were trying to mock the people who do equate the two and thus blame that cop for the women who hung herself?

No, I'm mocking Fox News.

 

[ksen]

Watching the video (which gets shaky around the time of the actual shooting and is blurred to boot) I have a few thoughts

Alright! I can't wait!

- Dubose had no business driving a vehicle. Indefinitely suspended driver's licence and likely intoxicated (gave cop a booze bottle instead of a license)
- Dubose becomes verbally combative and then clearly resists, trying to prevent the cop from opening the car door.
- I would say about the only way the shooting could be justified is if the cop saw Dubose move his hands in such a way that he could have retrieved a weapon himself. He did not do himself any favors by lying about being dragged by the vehicle though, in resemblance to another case in Cinncinati from 15 years ago where both the cop and the 12 year old perp died.
- I think voluntary manslaughter is a more appropriate charge than murder
- With DA's statements it is almost certain now that the county will pay out many millions to Dubose's kin. Of course, once it gets distributed to all his children and baby mamas it might not be so much per capita. Currently they estimate he has 13-20 children but expect more to come out of the woodwork now.

10/10 did not disappoint

 

[Derec]

10/10 did not disappoint

Which of these points do you disagree with and why?
- Do you think DuBose had a right to drive a vehicle while his license is indefinitely suspended and he was likely drunk and/or high (has a toxicology test been done?) Do you also think he has the right to lie about his license to the cop?
- Do you disagree that DuBose was verbally combative? Like asking (again!) why he was pulled over when the cop demanded a driver's licence and saying that he didn't do anything when he clearly did. Do you disagree that he was resisting by trying to force his doors closed?
- Do yo disagree that DuBose going for something inside the car would provide a possible justification for the shooting? Do you disagree that the cop did himself no favors by lying?
- Do you disagree that manslaughter is more fitting than murder? Why?
- Do you disagree that the county will agree to pay out many millions of dollars to DuBose's numerous progeny?

 

[ksen]

10/10 did not disappoint

Which of these points do you disagree with and why?

Who said I disagreed? I said your post did not disappoint.

But let's go ahead and look at it.

- Do you think DuBose had a right to drive a vehicle while his license is indefinitely suspended

Who says he did? If his license was under suspension then no he did not have a right to drive. But that's not a capital offense.

and he was likely drunk and/or high (has a toxicology test been done?)

Yes, because everyone knows that if a black guy is awake he's most likely high or drunk or both. But that's not a capital offense.

Do you also think he has the right to lie about his license to the cop?

Who says he did? Even if he did that's not a capital offense.

- Do you disagree that DuBose was verbally combative?

I didn't watch the video but given that he was a black man then I'm sure he was verbally combative and used bad grammar as well. But that's not a capital offense.

Like asking (again!) why he was pulled over when the cop demanded a driver's licence and saying that he didn't do anything when he clearly did. Do you disagree that he was resisting by trying to force his doors closed?

I don't disagree that trying to close the car door was resisting. But that's not a capital offense.

- Do yo disagree that DuBose going for something inside the car would provide a possible justification for the shooting?

I'm sure DuBose was going for something since the cop asked him for something. But that's not a capital offense.

Do you disagree that the cop did himself no favors by lying?

And yet cops lie all the time.

- Do you disagree that manslaughter is more fitting than murder?

Yes, I disagree.

Why?

Because the cop is a murdering pig that needs to be off the streets before he kills again.

- Do you disagree that the county will agree to pay out many millions of dollars to DuBose's numerous progeny?

Nope, and they should.

lol, "progeny"

 

[laughing dog]

Wow. The police fanboys know no boundaries when it comes to excusing these types of killings.

 

[Sarpedon]

On a lighter note, I think "Deters" is a great name for a prosecutor.

 

[ksen]

Some might say that some posters are kind of jealous that DuBose got laid at least 20 times when they can't even get laid once.

Or they might not.

 

[Derec]

Who says he did? If his license was under suspension then no he did not have a right to drive.

Well thanks for conceding that much.

But that's not a capital offense.

Nobody said it was. Although, there is a big difference between a capital offense and justifiable shooting. What you should have said is "But that's not a justification for shooting him" and you'd be right.
I brought this up btw because the DA said something to the effect of DuBose not having done anything wrong, which is false.

Yes, because everyone knows that if a black guy is awake he's most likely high or drunk or both.

Being black doesn't enter into it, trying to bribe the cop with booze does.

But that's not a capital offense.

Again you with the capital offense.

Who says he did?

He had his license indefinitely suspended and he pretended to look for it and denied it was suspended.

I didn't watch the video

Maybe you should.

but given that he was a black man then I'm sure he was verbally combative and used bad grammar as well.

LMAO!

I don't disagree that trying to close the car door was resisting. But that's not a capital offense.

And by resisting he escalated the situation.

I'm sure DuBose was going for something since the cop asked him for something.

He asked him way back and he pretended to look for it. However, when he starts resisting reaching for anything is going to be interpreted as reaching for a weapon by the police.

But that's not a capital offense.

No, but it might provide justification for the shooting.

And yet cops lie all the time.

As do civilians.

Because the cop is a murdering pig that needs to be off the streets before he kills again.

Nice tautology and insult but it's really not an answer to my question.

Nope, and they should.

I have problems with the logic that says that just because your father got shot by police you should become a millionaire.

lol, "progeny"

Yeah, it's a word.
prog·e·ny
ˈpräjənē/Submit
noun
noun: progeny; plural noun: progenies
a descendant or the descendants of a person, animal, or plant; offspring.
"the progeny of mixed marriages"
synonyms: offspring, young, babies, children, sons and daughters, family, brood; More
Origin

Middle English: from Old French progenie, from Latin progenies, from progignere ‘beget’ (see progenitor).

 

[Toni]

Well thanks for conceding that much.

But that's not a capital offense.

Nobody said it was. Although, there is a big difference between a capital offense and justifiable shooting. What you should have said is "But that's not a justification for shooting him" and you'd be right.

Halleluiah!

And by resisting he escalated the situation.

Again: not a capital offense.

But that's not a capital offense.

No,

Can I get a witness!

I have problems with the logic that says that just because your father got shot by police you should become a millionaire.

Especially children of a black man, amiright?

It's unlikely that if he really has that many children that any of them will be millionaires.

How do you think that the children of a man murdered by a police officer should be compensated?

lol, "progeny"

Yeah, it's a word.
prog·e·ny
ˈpräjənē/Submit
noun
noun: progeny; plural noun: progenies
a descendant or the descendants of a person, animal, or plant; offspring.
"the progeny of mixed marriages"
synonyms: offspring, young, babies, children, sons and daughters, family, brood; More
Origin

Middle English: from Old French progenie, from Latin progenies, from progignere ‘beget’ (see progenitor).

Or children, to those of us who believe that blacks are human beings. Or do you find using the word 'children' too upsetting?

 

[Derec]

Again: not a capital offense.

Again, not a question here (the question is whether the shooting is justified). By resisting he put himself in a situation of heightened alert on the part of the cop which increased the chance of him getting shot, justified or not.

Can I get a witness!

As I said before "capital offense" is a red herring here. The question is, is the shooting justified, and if not what the offense is. I think probably not and manslaughter (not murder).

Especially children of a black man, amiright?

Nope. I am an opponent of outrageous tort amounts no matter the race of the plaintiffs.

It's unlikely that if he really has that many children that any of them will be millionaires.

Depends on how much the settlement will be for.

How do you think that the children of a man murdered by a police officer should be compensated?

Well monetarily, but the amounts are perverse. The family of black market cigarette seller Eric
Garner got almost 6 million from DeBlasio for example. How is that justified?

Or children, to those of us who believe that blacks are human beings. Or do you find using the word 'children' too upsetting?

What's wrong with the word progeny? How does it imply that I do not believe that 'blacks are human beings' exactly? I guess then you believe that The Globe and Mail do not think Chinese are human beings either?

 

[Toni]

As I said before "capital offense" is a red herring here. The question is, is the shooting justified, and if not what the offense is. I think probably not and manslaughter (not murder).

Well one of the two received a capital sentence and no stay of execution. He's dead.

How do you think that the children of a man murdered by a police officer should be compensated?

Well monetarily, but the amounts are perverse. The family of black market cigarette seller Eric
Garner got almost 6 million from DeBlasio for example. How is that justified?

By the brutality of the police officers responsible for his death. Punitive damages.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/07/29/publish/30830777/

Deters, whose office reviews all shootings involving police officers, said he’s never seen a case of such poor policing. Even if DuBose was attempting to drive off, he said, Tensing should have let him go.

“He wasn’t dealing with someone wanted for murder. He was dealing with someone without a front license plate,” Deters said, describing that offense as “chicken crap stuff.”

“Some people want to believe Mr. DuBose did something violent toward the officer,” Deters said. “He did not. He did not at all.”

From the video.

Cop's version of the story:
"He took off on my man, I thought he was gonna run me over."
"He was draggin me... I thought I was gonna get run over, I was tryin to stop him."

The reality is you fucking PANICKED and shot a guy in the head at point blank range at which point the car sped away from you with a dead man in the driver seat.

And THIS is why body cams should be mandatory.

 

[Derec]

Well one of the two received a capital sentence and no stay of execution. He's dead.

He is dead but there was no capital sentence and no execution. There is a difference between a police shooting, justified or not, and death penalty.

By the brutality of the police officers responsible for his death. Punitive damages.

The officer who administered a choke hold did not even attempt deadly force. It is not his fault Gardner was in poor health. He was also engaged in illegal activity and was resisting arrest. The payout was way too high.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

- Dubose had no business driving a vehicle. Indefinitely suspended driver's licence and likely intoxicated (gave cop a booze bottle instead of a license)

Surely this is a relevant fact that needs to be brought to our attention because it puts the "victim" of this shooting in the proper context!

- Dubose becomes verbally combative and then clearly resists, trying to prevent the cop from opening the car door.

Yes, Dubose' wrongdoing in this case is clearly more important than the fact that the officer had no probable cause or legal justification for opening that door in the first place.

- I would say about the only way the shooting could be justified is if the cop saw Dubose move his hands in such a way that he could have retrieved a weapon himself.

And this "theory" of his is ALSO relevant, I'm sure.

- I think voluntary manslaughter is a more appropriate charge than murder

Ah, there it is. So for the reasons cited above, it's UNDERSTANDABLE, if not justifiable.

once it gets distributed to all his children and baby mamas

Yeah, everyone knows niggers thugs love their baby mamas! DERRRRP!

I'm sure this is also relevant to the context of who and what Sam Dubose was! It's information we need to know or else you wouldn't have made brought it up!

Currently they estimate he has 13-20 children

It's not a fucking estimate. He has 10 children and 4 grandchildren and his family knows EXACTLY who they are.

Of course, that's totally relevant to the context of who and what Sam Dubose was too, I'm sure. It shouldn't be a surprise, because that's just the way niggers thugs live their lives, yes?

 

[Toni]

He is dead but there was no capital sentence and no execution. There is a difference between a police shooting, justified or not, and death penalty.

By the brutality of the police officers responsible for his death. Punitive damages.

The officer who administered a choke hold did not even attempt deadly force. It is not his fault Gardner was in poor health. He was also engaged in illegal activity and was resisting arrest. The payout was way too high.

The cop who administered the choke hold violated departmental policy.

It was the fault of the cop that he violated departmental policy and killed a man over a minor offense.

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He is dead but there was no capital sentence and no execution. There is a difference between a police shooting, justified or not, and death penalty.

Seems like an execution to me. By panicked incompetent cop.

How much should your momma get if a cop shoots you while you are committing a crime?