Freddie Gray Death - The Courtroom Drama

[Nice Squirrel]

Alright, the latest in this drama is the usual motion to dismiss charges being denied by the judge.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ba...-acts-questioned-freddie-gray-hearing-n420341

A Baltimore judge rejected a motion to dismiss charges against the six police officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray in a pre-trial hearing on Wednesday .

The first circuit court hearing began earlier in the day in downtown Baltimore — proceedings which will focus national attention back on the city and racial and socioeconomic tensions at the heart of the friction between local police and the minority communities they serve.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/02/3697835/freddie-gray-hearings/

In pre-trial motions on Wednesday, defense attorneys will argue the case should be dismissed, or State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby should be recused. Next week, they will argue that the case should be moved outside of Baltimore.

So to begin this cluster discussion:

• The defense is tying to get Mosby off the case. - Is she really that good of an attorney or are they looking to get someone more pliable as a prosecutor?
• Should the trial be moved outside of Baltimore?

 

[Derec]

Mosby has proven with her public appearances (she even echoed the "no justice no peace" slogan) that she lacks professional detachment.
I would have thought at least the cases against the bike cops would be dismissed because they lack even cursory merit.
What do we know about that judge? Good friend of Mosby perhaps?

 

[ZiprHead]

Is that a new record, 2nd post, for the conspiracy theory to pop out?

 

[Trausti]

I would have thought at least the cases against the bike cops would be dismissed because they lack even cursory merit.

Still could be. This motion only concerned Mosby's statements, i.e., inflammatory comments tainting the potential jury pool. Merits weren't discussed.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Why is professional detachment needed in a prosecutor in this case? If she's reviewed the evidence and thinks that they're guilty (in the same way that many other people have reviewed the evidence and think that they're guilty) then what's wrong with saying that?

If a defence attorney claims that his client is innocent, should he be removed from the case as well?

 

[arkirk]

Mosby has proven with her public appearances (she even echoed the "no justice no peace" slogan) that she lacks professional detachment.
I would have thought at least the cases against the bike cops would be dismissed because they lack even cursory merit.
What do we know about that judge? Good friend of Mosby perhaps?

Under about any conditions, the treatment of Freddie Gray was beyond making excuses for. Whatever Mosby said after the fact has little or no bearing on whether or not these cops need to be indicted...and tried. Derec, you really don't have to always side with abusers and killers. In California if you go to a killing with a murderer you can find yourself in prison. If the bike cops saw the condition of the prisoner and did not act to save his life, then they are accessories...and belong on trial.

 

[Derec]

Is that a new record, 2nd post, for the conspiracy theory to pop out?

Not much of a conspiracy theory, prosecutors being friends with judges.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Mosby has proven with her public appearances (she even echoed the "no justice no peace" slogan) that she lacks professional detachment.
I would have thought at least the cases against the bike cops would be dismissed because they lack even cursory merit.
What do we know about that judge? Good friend of Mosby perhaps?

Well to begin, it's normal for defense attorneys to ask that cases be dropped. Very few judges will bite unless there is a serious and obvious miscarriage of justice going on. I'm curious to why you are quick to condemn the judge?

Secondly, why does a prosecuting attorney need to be completely detached? It is an adversarial system. They are presenting one side of the case, the defense attorneys are presenting the other side. Criminal attorneys tend to be very passionate about their particular side.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Is that a new record, 2nd post, for the conspiracy theory to pop out?

Not much of a conspiracy theory, prosecutors being friends with judges.

You have evidence? Because I'll bet you dollars to donuts the defense knows (and may possibly even be friends with) the judge and probably were even able to have some influence on the assignment of this judge to this case. This is very common for both sides.

 

[arkirk]

Mosby has proven with her public appearances (she even echoed the "no justice no peace" slogan) that she lacks professional detachment.
I would have thought at least the cases against the bike cops would be dismissed because they lack even cursory merit.
What do we know about that judge? Good friend of Mosby perhaps?

Well to begin, it's normal for defense attorneys to ask that cases be dropped. Very few judges will bite unless there is a serious and obvious miscarriage of justice going on. I'm curious to why you are quick to condemn the judge?

Secondly, why does a prosecuting attorney need to be completely detached? It is an adversarial system. They are presenting one side of the case, the defense attorneys are presenting the other side. Criminal attorneys tend to be very passionate about their particular side.

It is not a crime to believe in the case you are pursuing.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Mosby has proven with her public appearances (she even echoed the "no justice no peace" slogan) that she lacks professional detachment.
I would have thought at least the cases against the bike cops would be dismissed because they lack even cursory merit.
What do we know about that judge? Good friend of Mosby perhaps?

Under about any conditions, the treatment of Freddie Gray was beyond making excuses for. Whatever Mosby said after the fact has little or no bearing on whether or not these cops need to be indicted...and tried. Derec, you really don't have to always side with abusers and killers. In California if you go to a killing with a murderer you can find yourself in prison. If the bike cops saw the condition of the prisoner and did not act to save his life, then they are accessories...and belong on trial.

Also at this stage we really don't know the hard evidence against the bicycle cops. They might be innocent bystanders or they might have participated fully.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

There is a good write up on this morning's procedures.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...d-ci-freddie-gray-hearing-20150902-story.html

 

[Nice Squirrel]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ba...-acts-questioned-freddie-gray-hearing-n420341

The six officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray will be tried separately, a Baltimore judge ruled Wednesday.

 

[aeebee50]

I am glad that I am retired.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Well to begin, it's normal for defense attorneys to ask that cases be dropped. Very few judges will bite unless there is a serious and obvious miscarriage of justice going on. I'm curious to why you are quick to condemn the judge?

Yeah, this part of it is just part of the dance, nothing special.

Moving it out of the city is another matter, though--something that I think would probably be a good idea.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Well to begin, it's normal for defense attorneys to ask that cases be dropped. Very few judges will bite unless there is a serious and obvious miscarriage of justice going on. I'm curious to why you are quick to condemn the judge?

Yeah, this part of it is just part of the dance, nothing special.

Moving it out of the city is another matter, though--something that I think would probably be a good idea.

Agreed, but it will be hard to get a fair trial in any part of Missouri .

 

[Derec]

Agreed, but it will be hard to get a fair trial in any part of Missouri .

Baltimore, Missouri?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Agreed, but it will be hard to get a fair trial in any part of Missouri .

Baltimore, Missouri?

Sorry, Maryland. Happy hour.

 

[Derec]

Baltimore, Missouri?

Sorry, Maryland. Happy hour.

Good excuse as any. Bottoms up!

 

[Nice Squirrel]

On a related civil matter:
Source: Baltimore, Freddie Gray's family reach $6.4M settlement deal

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/us/baltimore-freddie-gray/index.html

A proposed $6.4 million settlement in the death of Freddie Gray would "resolve all civil claims related to the city of Baltimore, the Baltimore Police Department, individual Baltimore police officers, and any other persons or institutions who might be deemed responsible for the death of Mr. Gray," the city said in a news release Tuesday.

The city's law department will submit the proposal to the city's Board of Estimates on Wednesday, the city said.