Anger builds after police shoot assault suspect in Minneapolis

[Nexus]

Hold on a second there. Why are you assuming that Confederate flags means someone is associated with the KKK?

Your picture also had KKK members in it. Playing dumb is also a bad debate tactic. Don't bother asking me why I think men in hooded white sheets are KKK if that's where this nonsense is headed.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Hold on a second there. Why are you assuming that Confederate flags means someone is associated with the KKK?

Your picture also had KKK members in it. Playing dumb is also a bad debate tactic. Don't bother asking me why I think men in hooded white sheets are KKK if that's where this nonsense is headed.

I see what the problem is. You took it literally and assumed it was a "debate tactic." It's only a debate tactic in a broad sense of answering ridiculous pictures with other ridiculous pictures.

On the other hand, I actually did used to live in Atlanta right next to Derec, relatively speaking. I actually saw the KKK there as well as observed tons of "covert" racism which wasn't really covert among fellow White people. The racial stress and fighting in that area of the country has a very long history. His constant posting of look-at-the-(evil)-black-people-yuk-yuk-yuk photos is probably appreciated there by many in the greater Atlanta area including both current and former KKK members AND the more covert type of racist...who actually do literally agree with him.

FYI, no, I'm not assuming Derec is a racist because of where he lives. I'm observing how he posts and what the content is. Other people from Atlanta area have posted here without issue.

I should hope that disgusting sense of humor and victim bashing isn't appreciated here in this forum, but if it is...then my KKK picture back at Derec will have gone over those people's heads.

 

[fast]

Using the given name of someone with whom you are not acquainted is rude and disrespectful.

I've got so much to learn. I'm glad you said that. It's consistent with a very few number of experiences I've had in the distant past where I was chastised for talking as if I knew someone when using their names.

 

[repoman]

This video is going to be very good for the defense of whoever shot the "protestors" tonight:

 

[laughing dog]

Updating this ongoing story, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports

Gov. Mark Dayton said Monday that video footage from an ambulance at the scene where an unarmed black man was fatally shot by police appeared to be inconclusive.

“I’ve seen the tape,” Dayton said. “It doesn’t show anything that would be any confirmation of one point of view or another.”

(entire reports: http://www.startribune.com/governor-ambulance-video-of-shooting-is-inconclusive/353111401/)

 

[RavenSky]

Where is your finger-wagging for Derec's piss-poor "debate tactics" and his constant use of inflammatory photos of black people in virtually every thread whether it pertains or not?

I was posting photos of protesters. That many of them (by no means all, go back and look at the pictures) are black is incidental.

Bullshit

For example, in a recent thread about a WHITE shooter, you posted a photo of a completely unrelated black man with the same name. You didn't do it by accident because you even stated you knew it was not the same man. You constantly post unrelated and unnecessary photos of black people in a hyperbolic manner, which is exactly why Don posted a hyperbolic unrelated photo of the KKK to you... to make a point that you are clearly too self-unaware to get.

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Remember how out of 29 witnesses in the grand jury 16 said his hands were up when he was shot, 2 said they were down, and the rest had no opinion, and then how forensic evidence couldn't confirm the position of his arms before he was shot to death?

Remember how you like to remind people that you think the BLMers are stupid by bringing up this weird fact but it's not a fact at all?

My advice: stop bringing it up unless you want to keep looking foolish.

Many of those witnesses showed they weren't competent witnesses.

Correct. Like the one who lied about even being there and lied about Michael Brown "charging toward" the police officers. You are correct. She wasn't a competent witness at all.

 

[Derec]

Updating this ongoing story, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports

Gov. Mark Dayton said Monday that video footage from an ambulance at the scene where an unarmed black man was fatally shot by police appeared to be inconclusive.

Inconclusive means we have to fall back on what's more likely - that a suspect with a history of violent crime resisted arrest and went for a cop's gun or that the cops executed a restrained suspect for no reason whatsoever.
Of course there is always danger that the cops will be charged as sacrificial lambs just like that Chicago cop was just charged with 1st degree murder (!?) for shooting a teenage thug high on PCP who was armed with a knife and was slicing cop car's tires.

 

[laughing dog]

Updating this ongoing story, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports

Inconclusive means we have to fall back on what's more likely - that a suspect with a history of violent crime resisted arrest and went for a cop's gun or that the cops executed a restrained suspect for no reason whatsoever.
Of course there is always danger that the cops will be charged as sacrificial lambs just like that Chicago cop was just charged with 1st degree murder (!?) for shooting a teenage thug high on PCP who was armed with a knife and was slicing cop car's tires.

No, an inclusive video means we fall back on the facts which may indicate an outcome that falls between your two endpoints.

 

[Toni]

Updating this ongoing story, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports

Inconclusive means we have to fall back on what's more likely - that a suspect with a history of violent crime resisted arrest and went for a cop's gun or that the cops executed a restrained suspect for no reason whatsoever.
Of course there is always danger that the cops will be charged as sacrificial lambs just like that Chicago cop was just charged with 1st degree murder (!?) for shooting a teenage thug high on PCP who was armed with a knife and was slicing cop car's tires.

No, it doesn't mean that.

I find it shocking--but given the poster history, not surprising--that you would find that it is justifiable for someone to murder someone for slashing their tires. As long as the shooter was a (white)cop and not a black person of any age or gender.

You are referring to this case?:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...d-emotionless-court-arrival-article-1.2445077


Wow. Derec, just: wow.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

MN GOP Keeping it Klassy:

http://www.citypages.com/news/minnesota-republicans-criticized-for-negroproblem-post-7855556

 

[Derec]

No, it doesn't mean that.

It doesn't mean what?

I find it shocking--but given the poster history, not surprising--that you would find that it is justifiable for someone to murder someone for slashing their tires. As long as the shooter was a (white)cop and not a black person of any age or gender.

A 17 year old jacked up on PCP holding a knife is a serious threat. Apparently he was shot from a distance of only 15 feet which somebody can cover in no time at all, even without a stimulant like PCP.
Even if the shooting was not justified I really do not see where the DA gets "1st degree murder" charge from, as opposed to manslaughter. Other than to appease the BLMers of course.

Wow. Derec, just: wow.

I feel the same for you apparently agreeing that 1st degree murder charges are warranted here. Or that his family deserved to get 5 million dollars from taxpayers of Chicago, courtesy of Rahm Emanuel.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This video is going to be very good for the defense of whoever shot the "protestors" tonight:

That's pretty damning. Self defense.

 

[Toni]

It doesn't mean what?

From your earlier post:

Inconclusive means we have to fall back on what's more likely

I find it shocking--but given the poster history, not surprising--that you would find that it is justifiable for someone to murder someone for slashing their tires. As long as the shooter was a (white)cop and not a black person of any age or gender.

A 17 year old jacked up on PCP holding a knife is a serious threat. Apparently he was shot from a distance of only 15 feet which somebody can cover in no time at all, even without a stimulant like PCP.
Even if the shooting was not justified I really do not see where the DA gets "1st degree murder" charge from, as opposed to manslaughter. Other than to appease the BLMers of course.

He was shot 16 times. At no point was he threatening anybody. He was committing property crimes. The officer who shot him could not possibly have known he was on PCP. He was not behaving in any aggressive manner, except with regards to cars. No one was being threatened. No one.

I mean, I know you personally are threatened by any black person who isn't incarcerated or at least in handcuffs. But you aren't allowed to simply fire 16 shots into them, absent any actual credible threat. Of which there was none.

Wow. Derec, just: wow.

I feel the same for you apparently agreeing that 1st degree murder charges are warranted here. Or that his family deserved to get 5 million dollars from taxpayers of Chicago, courtesy of Rahm Emanuel.

Apparently, the video has been so damning that it has been suppressed for a year. Will probably be released tomorrow, by court order. Against the wishes of hte police and the mother of the murder victim who are concerned about it inciting violence.


The officer who is charged in that case is the FIRST Chicago PD officer to be charged with on duty murder in 35 years.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Apparently, the video has been so damning that it has been suppressed for a year. Will probably be released tomorrow, by court order. Against the wishes of hte police and the mother of the murder victim who are concerned about it inciting violence.


The officer who is charged in that case is the FIRST Chicago PD officer to be charged with on duty murder in 35 years.

Last time we had a "damning" video that wasn't released for a long time it turned out to be exonerating.

 

[repoman]

The first shot alone would have been exonerating, but holy crap seeing the other shots hitting him seconds later as he was motionless was terrible.

Even worse than the woman cop shooting the guy in the snow.

 

[Toni]

Apparently, the video has been so damning that it has been suppressed for a year. Will probably be released tomorrow, by court order. Against the wishes of hte police and the mother of the murder victim who are concerned about it inciting violence.


The officer who is charged in that case is the FIRST Chicago PD officer to be charged with on duty murder in 35 years.

Last time we had a "damning" video that wasn't released for a long time it turned out to be exonerating.

The video is out now. You can see it here:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...c_footage_of_black_teen_in_chicago_being.html

And here: http://abc7chicago.com/news/warning-dash-cam-video-of-police-shooting-of-laquan-mcdonald/1097711/


The victim was near no one, was threatening no one. Was walking away from police. Was shot 16 times. Sixteen. You can count that high, right? Sixteen times.

Afterwards, no one approaches to see if he's alive or if they can render any assistance.

It's pretty damning. And easy to see why charges have been filed against the officer.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Last time we had a "damning" video that wasn't released for a long time it turned out to be exonerating.

The video is out now. You can see it here:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...c_footage_of_black_teen_in_chicago_being.html

And here: http://abc7chicago.com/news/warning-dash-cam-video-of-police-shooting-of-laquan-mcdonald/1097711/


The victim was near no one, was threatening no one. Was walking away from police. Was shot 16 times. Sixteen. You can count that high, right? Sixteen times.

Afterwards, no one approaches to see if he's alive or if they can render any assistance.

It's pretty damning. And easy to see why charges have been filed against the officer.

I don't see what you're seeing. He's hit and goes down. There's a puff that's probably a bullet hitting the road a second or two later. I can't see anything else. I don't see what caused the officers to fire but there's not enough detail in that picture to see what he's doing with his hands.

He was walking away but he turned.

 

[Derec]

From your earlier post:

If we do not have conclusive facts all we have to go on are probabilities.

He was shot 16 times.

Which to me points more to the cop panicking than premeditation.

At no point was he threatening anybody.

Police were sent to investigate a man with a knife, he attacked the police car with said knife. That is prima facie threatening behavior.

He was committing property crimes.

Which could be said if he was slicing tires of parked cars, not when he sliced the tires of the cop car sent to investigate him.

The officer who shot him could not possibly have known he was on PCP. He was not behaving in any aggressive manner, except with regards to cars.

Knowledge of him being on drugs doesn't matter. And what he did was certainly "aggressive behavior".

I mean, I know you personally are threatened by any black person who isn't incarcerated or at least in handcuffs.

If a high 17 year old started cutting my car's tires I'd feel threatened no matter his race.

But you aren't allowed to simply fire 16 shots into them, absent any actual credible threat. Of which there was none.

So how many shots would have been justified?

Apparently, the video has been so damning that it has been suppressed for a year. Will probably be released tomorrow, by court order. Against the wishes of hte police and the mother of the murder victim who are concerned about it inciting violence.
The officer who is charged in that case is the FIRST Chicago PD officer to be charged with on duty murder in 35 years.

None of this explains why the DA sees any premeditation here or why the family of the teen would deserve five million dollars.

 

[Derec]

The victim was near no one, was threatening no one.

He was rather close to police officers, an article says 15 feet. And having a knife and not dropping it is prima facie threatening.

Was walking away from police.

He was walking away from the dash cam but there were other police around.

Was shot 16 times. Sixteen. You can count that high, right? Sixteen times.

How many times would have been ok?

Afterwards, no one approaches to see if he's alive or if they can render any assistance.

I see a cop did approach him and kicked the knife away.

It's pretty damning. And easy to see why charges have been filed against the officer.

And where exactly do you see premeditated murder here?

 

[Derec]

For example, in a recent thread about a WHITE shooter, you posted a photo of a completely unrelated black man with the same name.

What thread was that?

You constantly post unrelated and unnecessary photos of black people in a hyperbolic manner, which is exactly why Don posted a hyperbolic unrelated photo of the KKK to you... to make a point that you are clearly too self-unaware to get.

That politically incorrect pics are frowned upon by certain posters here?

Correct. Like the one who lied about even being there and lied about Michael Brown "charging toward" the police officers. You are correct. She wasn't a competent witness at all.

Several witnesses said he was charging. The physical evidence proves that he was moving toward Wilson after he turned around. Sorry RavenSky, the Michael Brown dog won't hunt.