Paris: Dozens Killed In Terrorist Attack

[Nice Squirrel]

Deleted for rewrite.

The manuscript was that bad huh?

How can one follow Agatha Christie and The Warriors?

 

[Horatio Parker]

Ghettos run by thugs. They impose "sharia law" about as well as the Bloods enforce the Torah.

And it's not that the police can't enter, but that they can only enter in force.

Again, not unlike downtown Detroit.

I'm not disagreeing with it being rather like bad inner cities anywhere. What I'm saying is that we are simply looking at two sides of the same thing, keeping showing they're like inner cities doesn't mean they aren't also Sharia zones.

I thought the Detroit reference was sarcastic. The cops there aren't afraid to go anywhere. This ain't Brazil.

Funny thing about cops: they often like high crime areas, at least to work in.

 

[untermensche]

Young ambitious cops looking to make a name for themselves and get promotions like working in high crime areas (poor areas).

But most cops don't like working in those areas. They can cause all kinds of problems, from health to family issues, due to the high level of stress.

 

[maxparrish]

And thereby making the implication that this is unusual in an urban society, that this is an indication of a broader problem in France or Europe in particular, and that this is primarily the result (plan?) of Muslim immigrants/refugees ...

But they're not. The so-called "no-go zones" (which don't actually exist) are areas of poverty. They would still be so even if Muslims were a very small minority of the populations there;

So then, we agree there are zones dominated by Muslims where assimilation is strongly resisted, muslim gangs and crime is rampant, police presence is rare or non-existent, and that are breeding grounds for radical islam. But this is not "unusual" because it would exist anyway?

The "thinking" behind such a lame-brained claim is stunningly stunted. If those millions of third world immigrants had never been allowed into France as residents, THEN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WOULDN'T BE THERE to contribute disproportionately to crime, poverty, gangs, welfare expenditures, social conflict, and fierce religious separatism.

No-Go zones are may be wished-for myths for the non-European PC apologists, but they are well known to the French. For example:

Fabrice Balanche (University of Lyon French Islam Scholar), Eric Zemmour (political journalist), and Gilles Demailly (Socialist Mayor of Amiens) have all commented upon zones in France where police won't go, Salafi Islamists converting neighborhoods into mini-Islamic republics, where Muslim gangs war, etc. Heck even the French Interior Ministry has said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have came under the control of Muslim gangs.

Numerous articles and documentaries have also chronicled the existence of no-go zones: The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a "veritable no-go zone" where "aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence" are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear, and separately reported that large quantities of assault rifles are circulating in French no-go zones.

The newspaper Le Parisien, the french magazine L'Orbs and Valeurs Actuelles have all had stories on places like Grigny, Grenoble, Trappes, Nantes, Tours, and Orleans, where Muslim gangs are a plague, and Islamic fundamentalists impose an alternative society.

France's TF1 and France's TV3 have both made several documentaries on the no-go zones, in particular that of Clos Saint-Lazare in northern Paris and Marseilles.

And the 120-page research paper entitled "No-Go Zones in the French Republic: Myth or Reality?" documented dozens of French neighborhoods "where police and gendarmerie cannot enforce the Republican order or even enter without risking confrontation, projectiles, or even fatal shootings." http://www.drmcc.org/IMG/pdf/TREMOLLET_DE_VILLERS.pdf

Finally, in October 2011, a 2,200-page report, "Banlieue de la République" (Suburbs of the Republic) found that Seine-Saint-Denis and other Parisian suburbs are becoming "separate Islamic societies" cut off from the French state and where Islamic Sharia law is rapidly displacing French civil law.
http://www.institutmontaigne.org/fr/publications/banlieue-de-la-republique-0


(You may wish to use the Google Translate Service for PDF files)

This isn't rocket science Crazy Eddie. The 751 'no-go' zones of France - their size, scope, and nature - are the result of decades of state immigration policy that imported an underclass of North African Muslims (and others) who now vex France. While Muslims are only 7.5 to 11 percent of the French population, 70 percent of the incarcerated French criminals are Muslim. They are almost twice as likely to NOT have a job. Their academic achievement and ability is clearly inferior to French whites. And their French identity and loyality is both problematical and brittle.

The first step to recovery is too acknowledge reality - think you might do that?

 

[Toni]

And thereby making the implication that this is unusual in an urban society, that this is an indication of a broader problem in France or Europe in particular, and that this is primarily the result (plan?) of Muslim immigrants/refugees ...

But they're not. The so-called "no-go zones" (which don't actually exist) are areas of poverty. They would still be so even if Muslims were a very small minority of the populations there;

So then, we agree there are zones dominated by Muslims where assimilation is strongly resisted, muslim gangs and crime is rampant, police presence is rare or non-existent, and that are breeding grounds for radical islam. But this is not "unusual" because it would exist anyway?

The "thinking" behind such a lame-brained claim is stunningly stunted. If those millions of third world immigrants had never been allowed into France as residents, THEN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WOULDN'T BE THERE to contribute disproportionately to crime, poverty, gangs, welfare expenditures, social conflict, and fierce religious separatism.

No-Go zones are may be wished-for myths for the non-European PC apologists, but they are well known to the French. For example:

Fabrice Balanche (University of Lyon French Islam Scholar), Eric Zemmour (political journalist), and Gilles Demailly (Socialist Mayor of Amiens) have all commented upon zones in France where police won't go, Salafi Islamists converting neighborhoods into mini-Islamic republics, where Muslim gangs war, etc. Heck even the French Interior Ministry has said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have came under the control of Muslim gangs.

Numerous articles and documentaries have also chronicled the existence of no-go zones: The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a "veritable no-go zone" where "aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence" are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear, and separately reported that large quantities of assault rifles are circulating in French no-go zones.

The newspaper Le Parisien, the french magazine L'Orbs and Valeurs Actuelles have all had stories on places like Grigny, Grenoble, Trappes, Nantes, Tours, and Orleans, where Muslim gangs are a plague, and Islamic fundamentalists impose an alternative society.

France's TF1 and France's TV3 have both made several documentaries on the no-go zones, in particular that of Clos Saint-Lazare in northern Paris and Marseilles.

And the 120-page research paper entitled "No-Go Zones in the French Republic: Myth or Reality?" documented dozens of French neighborhoods "where police and gendarmerie cannot enforce the Republican order or even enter without risking confrontation, projectiles, or even fatal shootings." http://www.drmcc.org/IMG/pdf/TREMOLLET_DE_VILLERS.pdf

Finally, in October 2011, a 2,200-page report, "Banlieue de la République" (Suburbs of the Republic) found that Seine-Saint-Denis and other Parisian suburbs are becoming "separate Islamic societies" cut off from the French state and where Islamic Sharia law is rapidly displacing French civil law.
http://www.institutmontaigne.org/fr/publications/banlieue-de-la-republique-0


(You may wish to use the Google Translate Service for PDF files)

This isn't rocket science Crazy Eddie. The 751 'no-go' zones of France - their size, scope, and nature - are the result of decades of state immigration policy that imported an underclass of North African Muslims (and others) who now vex France. While Muslims are only 7.5 to 11 percent of the French population, 70 percent of the incarcerated French criminals are Muslim. They are almost twice as likely to NOT have a job. Their academic achievement and ability is clearly inferior to French whites. And their French identity and loyality is both problematical and brittle.

The first step to recovery is too acknowledge reality - think you might do that?

History isn't your long suit, is it?

 

[untermensche]

Fabrice Balanche (University of Lyon French Islam Scholar), Eric Zemmour (political journalist), and Gilles Demailly (Socialist Mayor of Amiens) have all commented upon zones in France where police won't go, Salafi Islamists converting neighborhoods into mini-Islamic republics, where Muslim gangs war, etc. Heck even the French Interior Ministry has said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have came under the control of Muslim gangs.

These claims seem to be circulating on the web, word for word.

But I can't find one primary source for any of them.

 

[Archimedes]

I just learned a couple of days ago that the boyfriend of a woman who lives within a couple of hundred yards from me was shot and injured as a spectator at the Batalcan concert and underwent emergency surgery in Paris. Fuck.

 

[untermensche]

I just learned a couple of days ago that the boyfriend of a woman who lives within a couple of hundred yards from me was shot and injured as a spectator at the Batalcan concert and underwent emergency surgery in Paris. Fuck.

Yes they were real people and the crime really happened.

But let's not use it as an excuse to bomb other real people that had nothing to do with it and call them collateral damage.

 

[maxparrish]

Fabrice Balanche (University of Lyon French Islam Scholar), Eric Zemmour (political journalist), and Gilles Demailly (Socialist Mayor of Amiens) have all commented upon zones in France where police won't go, Salafi Islamists converting neighborhoods into mini-Islamic republics, where Muslim gangs war, etc. Heck even the French Interior Ministry has said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have came under the control of Muslim gangs.

These claims seem to be circulating on the web, word for word.

But I can't find one primary source for any of them.

Most likely because you are searching for English words, originally spoken in French. Some google translated sources:

"You territories Roubaix in France, such as northern Marseille where police puts more feet, the authority of State is completely absent, and therefore was mini Islamic states were formed. (Fabrice Balanche, University of Lyon 2)."

http://www.agoravox.tv/tribune-libre/article/des-mini-etats-islamiques-en-46961

Latest news on http://www.bfmtv.com/ Éric Zemmour answered questions Jean-Jacques Bourdin, Monday morning on RMC and BFM TV. "There are places in France today, especially in the suburbs, where it is not really in France," said the author of "The French suicide" before adding: "The Salafi Islamists ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wUXU7IygB8

Also see:

http://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/eric-zemmour-l-invitac-de-ruth-elkrief-0810-328914.html

http://www.europe1.fr/france/amiens-nord-une-zone-de-non-droit-1204941

http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Archiv...-presse/Clarification-sur-les-ZSP-a-Marseille

 

[untermensche]

These claims seem to be circulating on the web, word for word.

But I can't find one primary source for any of them.

Most likely because you are searching for English words, originally spoken in French. Some google translated sources:

"You territories Roubaix in France, such as northern Marseille where police puts more feet, the authority of State is completely absent, and therefore was mini Islamic states were formed. (Fabrice Balanche, University of Lyon 2)."

http://www.agoravox.tv/tribune-libre/article/des-mini-etats-islamiques-en-46961

Latest news on http://www.bfmtv.com/ Éric Zemmour answered questions Jean-Jacques Bourdin, Monday morning on RMC and BFM TV. "There are places in France today, especially in the suburbs, where it is not really in France," said the author of "The French suicide" before adding: "The Salafi Islamists ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wUXU7IygB8

Also see:

http://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/eric-zemmour-l-invitac-de-ruth-elkrief-0810-328914.html

http://www.europe1.fr/france/amiens-nord-une-zone-de-non-droit-1204941

http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Archiv...-presse/Clarification-sur-les-ZSP-a-Marseille

OK, some claims in French.

Where is the evidence? Where is the video of these places the police can't go?

One of your links says:

The police feel that their work is becoming more complicated in this neighborhood.

The police feel things. But they don't say they can't go in.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

 

[angelo]

And thereby making the implication that this is unusual in an urban society, that this is an indication of a broader problem in France or Europe in particular, and that this is primarily the result (plan?) of Muslim immigrants/refugees ...

But they're not. The so-called "no-go zones" (which don't actually exist) are areas of poverty. They would still be so even if Muslims were a very small minority of the populations there;

So then, we agree there are zones dominated by Muslims where assimilation is strongly resisted, muslim gangs and crime is rampant, police presence is rare or non-existent, and that are breeding grounds for radical islam. But this is not "unusual" because it would exist anyway?

The "thinking" behind such a lame-brained claim is stunningly stunted. If those millions of third world immigrants had never been allowed into France as residents, THEN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WOULDN'T BE THERE to contribute disproportionately to crime, poverty, gangs, welfare expenditures, social conflict, and fierce religious separatism.

No-Go zones are may be wished-for myths for the non-European PC apologists, but they are well known to the French. For example:

Fabrice Balanche (University of Lyon French Islam Scholar), Eric Zemmour (political journalist), and Gilles Demailly (Socialist Mayor of Amiens) have all commented upon zones in France where police won't go, Salafi Islamists converting neighborhoods into mini-Islamic republics, where Muslim gangs war, etc. Heck even the French Interior Ministry has said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have came under the control of Muslim gangs.

Numerous articles and documentaries have also chronicled the existence of no-go zones: The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a "veritable no-go zone" where "aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence" are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear, and separately reported that large quantities of assault rifles are circulating in French no-go zones.

The newspaper Le Parisien, the french magazine L'Orbs and Valeurs Actuelles have all had stories on places like Grigny, Grenoble, Trappes, Nantes, Tours, and Orleans, where Muslim gangs are a plague, and Islamic fundamentalists impose an alternative society.

France's TF1 and France's TV3 have both made several documentaries on the no-go zones, in particular that of Clos Saint-Lazare in northern Paris and Marseilles.

And the 120-page research paper entitled "No-Go Zones in the French Republic: Myth or Reality?" documented dozens of French neighborhoods "where police and gendarmerie cannot enforce the Republican order or even enter without risking confrontation, projectiles, or even fatal shootings." http://www.drmcc.org/IMG/pdf/TREMOLLET_DE_VILLERS.pdf

Finally, in October 2011, a 2,200-page report, "Banlieue de la République" (Suburbs of the Republic) found that Seine-Saint-Denis and other Parisian suburbs are becoming "separate Islamic societies" cut off from the French state and where Islamic Sharia law is rapidly displacing French civil law.
http://www.institutmontaigne.org/fr/publications/banlieue-de-la-republique-0


(You may wish to use the Google Translate Service for PDF files)

This isn't rocket science Crazy Eddie. The 751 'no-go' zones of France - their size, scope, and nature - are the result of decades of state immigration policy that imported an underclass of North African Muslims (and others) who now vex France. While Muslims are only 7.5 to 11 percent of the French population, 70 percent of the incarcerated French criminals are Muslim. They are almost twice as likely to NOT have a job. Their academic achievement and ability is clearly inferior to French whites. And their French identity and loyality is both problematical and brittle.

The first step to recovery is too acknowledge reality - think you might do that?

I know the response to that will be some pc lefty claptrap. There's no hiding the facts though. They're there for anyone to see providing they're not wearing rose coloured glasses, or blinkers.

 

[Trausti]

Congrats to ISIS for managing to unite the US, Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda in a common cause!

Somalia's Shebab fighters have warned they will "cut the throat" of members who shift allegiance from Al-Qaeda to Islamic State, amid reports some factions have already been punished for doing so.
"If anyone says he belongs to another Islamic movement, kill him on the spot," top Shebab official Abu Abdalla, said in a radio broadcast Monday. "We will cut the throat of any one... if they undermine unity."

http://news.yahoo.com/somalias-al-qaeda-branch-warns-members-against-joining-075418683.html

Hard to get your head around it.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqj3dct4fO0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Will Wiley]

"If anyone says he belongs to another Islamic movement, kill him on the spot," top Shebab official Abu Abdalla, said in a radio broadcast Monday. "We will cut the throat of any one... if they undermine unity."

I'd been hearing stories these groups were not real religious groups. I think we have proof they are now

 

[whichphilosophy]

Congrats to ISIS for managing to unite the US, Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda in a common cause!

Somalia's Shebab fighters have warned they will "cut the throat" of members who shift allegiance from Al-Qaeda to Islamic State, amid reports some factions have already been punished for doing so.
"If anyone says he belongs to another Islamic movement, kill him on the spot," top Shebab official Abu Abdalla, said in a radio broadcast Monday. "We will cut the throat of any one... if they undermine unity."

http://news.yahoo.com/somalias-al-qaeda-branch-warns-members-against-joining-075418683.html

Hard to get your head around it.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqj3dct4fO0[/YOUTUBE]

There is nothing about Al Qaeda sharing a common cause with the others.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

And thereby making the implication that this is unusual in an urban society, that this is an indication of a broader problem in France or Europe in particular, and that this is primarily the result (plan?) of Muslim immigrants/refugees ...

But they're not. The so-called "no-go zones" (which don't actually exist) are areas of poverty. They would still be so even if Muslims were a very small minority of the populations there;

So then, we agree there are zones dominated by Muslims where assimilation is strongly resisted, muslim gangs and crime is rampant, police presence is rare or non-existent, and that are breeding grounds for radical islam. But this is not "unusual" because it would exist anyway?

To be clear: it's a form of urban blight. The exact same thing happens in American cities, except the gangs are Catholic and the neighborhoods are breeding grounds for narcoterrorism.

As others have pointed out, having a crappy neighborhood populated by delinquent immigrants is a LONG way off from sharia law being imposed in a European city. For that matter, the gangs can't really even enforce Sharia in the neighborhoods they supposedly control.

If those millions of third world immigrants had never been allowed into France as residents, THEN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WOULDN'T BE THERE to contribute disproportionately to crime, poverty, gangs, welfare expenditures, social conflict, and fierce religious separatism.

Of course not. It would be (and in the past, been) a completely different demographic causing a very similar set of problems in a very similar way.

Point is, those neighborhoods aren't in trouble because they are populated by Muslims. They're trouble because they're populated by poor, uneducated people with impulse control issues and a tenuous connection to society.

But this is like saying you will probably find a lot of rats in the alley behind a restaurant. That goes without saying; but that, too, is a far cry from claiming that rats are going to rise up and take over the restaurant themselves. That's just not how this works.

The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan...

... as a high-crime slum infested with hooligans and thugs who show brazen disregard for law enforcement or common decency. I even translated and QUOTED one of the articles from that very same newspaper. They did not, as far as I could tell, put a lot of focus on the religious/ethnic identity of the hoodlums, nor was there any thing uniquely Islamic about their violence. They're mugging people, stealing cars, breaking into houses, raping women, beating up men who talk back to them, selling drugs and robbing convenience stores.

And the police have been pushing back on some of these news stories for a long time, partly because they resent the (correct) implication that they've been laying down on the job with enforcement, but mostly because policing in France has a heavy political component and the bad press is doing a lot of damage to their electoral prospects.

And the 120-page research paper entitled "No-Go Zones in the French Republic: Myth or Reality?"

Actually it's entitled "Zones of Lawlessness in the French Republic: Myth or Reality?" Because the term the french use for those zones, and in the title of that paper, is "Les Zones de non Droit." Which literally means "lawless area." That does not actually translate to "no-go zone" and whoever told you that it did is lying to you.

From your own report, via google translate:

A) What is a "lawless zone"?

1) Symptoms.
When asked "how one becomes a lawless zone? "Police and experts respond in unison, that the evolution of a neighborhood towards illegality is very progressive. The scene of riots or clashes with police, who make a switch territory in the "secession", are only the most dramatic illustration of climate of impunity that has long been widespread. The root causes involve youth in delinquency and crime, such as social insecurity, the failed integration, the cult of easy money and the inhuman town planning, are not discussed here. These factors affect multiple areas at once economic, sociological and sometimes the result of a choice of civilization. This debate caters more to political philosophy for the analysis of criminal threats. We therefore stick to tangible realities, leaving those which it is the competence analysis of these factors.

When working in Antwerp in April 1998, Mr Gilles Leclair Chief OCRTIS explained in the context of trafficking and drug use what stages a neighborhood just gradually submit to the law of traffic. He distinguished six profiles neighborhoods, adding that "every year, there has been a shift towards the most serious situations. "

1 st Profile: visible consumption and sale of cannabis
2 th Profile: small deal by users. Local consumers provide some residents. 1 2
3 th Profile: Development of traffic. It organizes and structure (lookouts). A customer comes up on supplies. There are signs of success.
4 th Profile: visibility of heroin trafficking, heroin use is becoming a reality daily, visible and worrying for parents. Related crime needs buy the daily dose appears, insecurity increases.
5 th Profile: establishment of a parallel economy: the traffic is concentrated on a few hands. Families devoid of official resources are beginning to show signs Foreign ease. Of bullies sometimes impose their authority and ensure peace social (rental payments, end of provocation ...). It is in the presence of "Supermarkets drugs" busy in several products.
6 th Profile: appearance of specific violence related to drug trafficking: brawls between strips for control of distribution, collective reprisals, regulations has between dealer and consumer.

If this scale specifically with the sale and consumption, it shows how the situation deteriorates when traffic implanted them regularly. She almost merges with the evaluation system established by Lucienne Bui Trong who defined to better understand the importance of crime in neighborhoods, a scale from 1 to 8 to better anticipate explosions and possible riots. She then assigns a score to each district to better gauge the. We will see that ratchet effects result almost systematically neighborhoods to level 4, the where representatives of the republican order begin to be targeted jets Pierre.

The report had very few overt references to Muslim culture, but it does have this little gem which I found very insightful:

The crime may also take place in several successive locations. In the district of Source in Orleans, in July 2001, a fifteen-year-old was first raped in a parking garage and then in a squatted house and finally in the woods edge of the city. It even happened that rape occurs in transport despitethe presence of other travelers as May 24, 2001, in an express train the Lille metropolitan area where a student of twenty-one years was raped by two members of a group of four offenders aged fourteen to seventeen years from Lille-Sud. Victims may also be tortured like this girl thirteen in the city of Genotte in Cergy St Christophe who were fractured jaw and broken nose. Perpetrators may be more than twenty as Aix-en Provence in May or a disabled woman was kidnapped and raped during a day ; or two as in Epernay where a teenage girl was raped in Local bin of ZUP

The image of the woman is in these young distorted by watched pornographic movies in Group. In these cities, it is easy to less than ten years to obtain a tape "video- porn "for € 5. This results in these children very often a Muslim culture absolute contradiction between the image of women in their religion, and their image these films are made through the Western woman. According to a psychologist, a lot of them think that the ever repeated scenes in pornographic cinema are accepted, or even desired by all women. 1 Thus during the trial Pontoise where Leila victim of 18 rapists had opposed his attackers teenagers or young adults living at large slab of Argenteuil (94 17 000 inhabitants) is learned that she was considered a "filthy" or "a slut".

This degrading image of women is backed by some of rap stars who not hide their taste for pornography and ironically evoke scenes standards of their favorite films. The clips of Gangsta Rap 3 often depict an apparently happy woman "desired" by several men. In France, some tubes may seem ambiguous in this context: "My girlfriend, she is beautiful, it is good, if you want j'te gives "sings the rapper Doc Gyneco," Brigitte, cop wife, "sings the group Ministère Amer proposing to happenBrigitte with friends. These barbaric acts are often committed by minors which, given the law and the argument is to stand as an actor Liabilities of the rotating, are quickly released. They take proportions today worthy of sadism and barbarity most accomplished "in September in the city Green Sannois (91), a woman of forty five years was followed up its apartment and then raped by three young people who were squatting the lobby of his building. They have given her lashes, burned her with cigarettes and then introduced him a bulb in the vagina. "

It is, in other words, EXACTLY what would happen in American cities if the police were sleeping on the job and let crime culture rage out of control unchecked for years at a time. In fact, it's more or less what DID happen in huge parts of Detroit (and no, those references were NOT sarcastic) and rather famously happened in the Cabrini Green Housing Projects in Chicago, when it got so bad that the gang bangers had to start a neighborhood watch because the crime rate was too high even for them!

As for the "Islamic" component of the lawless zones:

These areas may be considered at odds with the rest of society since it is difficult or almost impossible to enforce the law. This marginality makes perfect enclaves of "tax havens" tothe underground economy in the words of an elected Velin Vaulx . These territories over which the State does not seem to have taken may represent in, furthermore, recruitment and organizing places for potential network Islamic terrorists. They are finally open the door to any abuse (Racketeering, apartment rental in crippling price for undocumented papers, threats on victims of crimes or offenses that would like to file a complaint) that the law more carries with it strong. They therefore allow the triumph of illegality, aggression, intimidation, theft and traffic. The stronger over the weaker, the more violent on most civil, most dishonest about the most honest. Those who have sidelined these areas are, moreover, overflowing contempt climate the law beyond the walls of their city, in the cities, the countryside and the scene of holiday.

In other words the lawless areas are a potential breeding ground for ALL kinds of illegality, and their potential as a safe haven for terrorists is one of the many things that makes them VERY worrying.

(You may wish to use the Google Translate Service for PDF files)

You may wish to use your own advice. I do not think you actually READ this report before you linked it to me; it doesn't say what you're suggesting it says.

The 751 'no-go' zones of France...

Are not actually called "no-go zones." Why do you insist on using that term?

They are almost twice as likely to NOT have a job. Their academic achievement and ability is clearly inferior to French whites. And their French identity and loyality is both problematical and brittle.

NONE of which is actually supported by the documents you linked to. You are clearly engaging in a racist diatribe against north African immigrants -- and Muslims in particular -- while drawing only the most tenuous connection between your bigotry and the data you claim supports it.

Yes, there IS rampant criminality in French cities, degeneracy and trafficking of drugs, people and stolen goods. This has as much to do with Islam in France as it has to do with Catholicism in Chicago; at most, it affects what kind of graffiti they spray on the walls and the language of their profanity while they're stealing your car.

The first step to recovery is too acknowledge reality

True! You can start by reading your own links!

 

[Trausti]

There is nothing about Al Qaeda sharing a common cause with the others.

I thought this was obvious tongue and cheek. But there is a common cause. Al Qaeda and ISIS are not friends. They (or their predecessors) split years ago over a doctrinal difference - ISIS says it's okay to kill Muslims who are not ideologically pure. Al Qaeda disagrees. See here: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/24/severe-blow-al-qaeda-suicide-bomber-takes-out-leadership-key-isis-brigade/

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ This is partially true: ISIS isn't actually that consistent with its beliefs on who it is/isn't okay to kill (except to say "anyone who disagrees with us for any reason"). They also have a very lengthy and expansive list of what constitutes apostasy, which in some ways makes them scarier people to work for than it does to actually fight against.

What's more interesting to me is the fact that the established Salafists in Saudi Arabia are foaming at the mouth over ISIS' interpretation of End Times doctrine. They've apparently made up a whole theology that differs DRAMATICALLY from the normal Wahabbi/Salafist school of thought and is deviant enough to be considered a totally new sect of Islam. You couldn't really even call it "Fundamentalist" since their connection to traditional interpretation is sketchy at best.

It's almost like the Jihadist version of Pentacostal Christianity. Lots of passion and zeal and fervor for the end times, very little in the way of making logical sense.

 

[angelo]

A reading of the koran and hadiths would clear up any misunderstanding, and suddenly ISIS makes perfect sense.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

A reading of the koran and hadiths would clear up any misunderstanding, and suddenly ISIS makes perfect sense.

Says the one person in this thread who MOST ASSUREDLY has never read the Koran or Hadiths.