Man Opens Fire On Good Samaritans Trying To Help Him In Snowstorm

[AthenaAwakened]

The car driven by Marvin Jacob Lee, 27, of Claremont in northeastern Catawba County, was stuck off Mathis Church Road when a passing truck with three men stopped to help about 5:20 p.m. Friday, Reid said.

Nearby neighbors came to help, too.

But when Lee allegedly became belligerant, the Samaritans decided to call police to come help him. “They thought he was drunk or on dope and said ‘let’s just call the law and let them deal with it,’ ” Reid said.

As they called, Lee took out an automatic pistol and started shooting. The Samaritans ran. A bullet struck the victim, who fell. Reid said Lee walked to the man, stood over him and shot him “numerous times.” Reid identified the victim as Jefferson Heavner, 26, of Newton.

Lee returned to his car, as deputies arrived. They shouted for him to get out. When he didn’t, they called a SWAT team, which pulled their armored truck up to Lee’s car. “They saw that he was passed out,” Reid said.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article56234845.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Harry Bosch]

The car driven by Marvin Jacob Lee, 27, of Claremont in northeastern Catawba County, was stuck off Mathis Church Road when a passing truck with three men stopped to help about 5:20 p.m. Friday, Reid said.

Nearby neighbors came to help, too.

But when Lee allegedly became belligerant, the Samaritans decided to call police to come help him. “They thought he was drunk or on dope and said ‘let’s just call the law and let them deal with it,’ ” Reid said.

As they called, Lee took out an automatic pistol and started shooting. The Samaritans ran. A bullet struck the victim, who fell. Reid said Lee walked to the man, stood over him and shot him “numerous times.” Reid identified the victim as Jefferson Heavner, 26, of Newton.

Lee returned to his car, as deputies arrived. They shouted for him to get out. When he didn’t, they called a SWAT team, which pulled their armored truck up to Lee’s car. “They saw that he was passed out,” Reid said.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article56234845.html#storylink=cpy

This is one of the reasons I don't watch the news as much as I used to. Too depressing.

 

[fast]

Let me explain something. Some people live by a code: don't fuck with me, and I won't fuck with you.

When the people stopped, they were (perhaps) being good Samaritans. When the guy became belligerent, it was their choice to leave unharmed. Do notice, please do notice, these 'good Samaritans' made a choice, but when you boldenly announce the threat to call the police, you are in direct violation of the code. What that means is you're taking a chance with your life.

To the young liberals and the older one's set in their ways, the problem isn't with stopping to help. The problem is with blatently announcing that they were calling the police. Notice, and notice well, WHEN they were shot, especially what they were doing when one was shot.

This is not, let me repeat, NOT about YOUR version of right and wrong. It's about the code. Oh, and the attitude of the code breakers too, I'd put money on without evidence to support my bet.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Let me explain something. Some people live by a code: don't fuck with me, and I won't fuck with you.

When the people stopped, they were (perhaps) being good Samaritans. When the guy became belligerent, it was their choice to leave unharmed. Do notice, please do notice, these 'good Samaritans' made a choice, but when you boldenly announce the threat to call the police, you are in direct violation of the code. What that means is you're taking a chance with your life.

To the young liberals and the older one's set in their ways, the problem isn't with stopping to help. The problem is with blatently announcing that they were calling the police. Notice, and notice well, WHEN they were shot, especially what they were doing when one was shot.

This is not, let me repeat, NOT about YOUR version of right and wrong. It's about the code. Oh, and the attitude of the code breakers too, I'd put money on without evidence to support my bet.

or Lee could just be a dick

 

[Juma]

Let me explain something. Some people live by a code: don't fuck with me, and I won't fuck with you.

When the people stopped, they were (perhaps) being good Samaritans. When the guy became belligerent, it was their choice to leave unharmed. Do notice, please do notice, these 'good Samaritans' made a choice, but when you boldenly announce the threat to call the police, you are in direct violation of the code. What that means is you're taking a chance with your life.

To the young liberals and the older one's set in their ways, the problem isn't with stopping to help. The problem is with blatently announcing that they were calling the police. Notice, and notice well, WHEN they were shot, especially what they were doing when one was shot.

This is not, let me repeat, NOT about YOUR version of right and wrong. It's about the code. Oh, and the attitude of the code breakers too, I'd put money on without evidence to support my bet.

I dont get your point. Noone can place themselve outside the community. You cannot invent your own rules just for you.

 

[DBT]

I think that Fast gave a good perspective from the point of view of the shooter. But of course it doesn't justify the action, the shooting. Which is delusional.

 

[fast]

I think that Fast gave a good perspective from the point of view of the shooter. But of course it doesn't justify the action, the shooting. Which is delusional.

Exactly.

The shooter was in the wrong. There is no escaping that.

I don't want to blame the victim. I just want to explain how one can prevent from becoming a victim without resorting to refraining from being a Good Samaritan. There are things we can do. When we are in the right (or even if in the wrong; it doesn't matter), we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I think that Fast gave a good perspective from the point of view of the shooter. But of course it doesn't justify the action, the shooting. Which is delusional.

Exactly.

The shooter was not in the wrong. There is no escaping that.

I don't want to blame the victim. I just want to explain how one can prevent from becoming a victim without resorting to refraining from being a Good Samaritan. There are things we can do. When we are in the right (or even if in the wrong; it doesn't matter), we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

I think that we should just not allow crazy people to own a gun.

 

[fast]

Exactly.

The shooter was not in the wrong. There is no escaping that.

I don't want to blame the victim. I just want to explain how one can prevent from becoming a victim without resorting to refraining from being a Good Samaritan. There are things we can do. When we are in the right (or even if in the wrong; it doesn't matter), we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

I think that we should just not allow crazy people to own a gun.

Or hatchets.

 

[RavenSky]

I think that Fast gave a good perspective from the point of view of the shooter. But of course it doesn't justify the action, the shooting. Which is delusional.

Exactly.

The shooter was not in the wrong. There is no escaping that.

???

I don't want to blame the victim.

and then you do:

...we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

You are basically saying that being shot dead is an acceptable outcome to being "mouthy" to an asshole.

How about we simply reduce the number of guns on the streets instead?

 

[fast]

Exactly.

The shooter was not in the wrong. There is no escaping that.

???

I don't want to blame the victim.

and then you do:

...we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

You are basically saying that being shot dead is an acceptable outcome to being "mouthy" to an asshole.

How about we simply reduce the number of guns on the streets instead?

Oh crap, I didn't know I put "not." Sorry about that. I edited it.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I think that Fast gave a good perspective from the point of view of the shooter. But of course it doesn't justify the action, the shooting. Which is delusional.

Exactly.

The shooter was in the wrong. There is no escaping that.

I don't want to blame the victim. I just want to explain how one can prevent from becoming a victim without resorting to refraining from being a Good Samaritan. There are things we can do. When we are in the right (or even if in the wrong; it doesn't matter), we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

There isn't anything in the article that says that they were calling the police for revenge, to get him in trouble, or that they let him know they were calling. It might seem like he knew they were calling the police, but maybe he was paranoid and thought they were calling other people to gang up on him. Let's not make too many assumptions until we know more.

 

[4321lynx]

???

I don't want to blame the victim.

and then you do:

...we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

You are basically saying that being shot dead is an acceptable outcome to being "mouthy" to an asshole.

How about we simply reduce the number of guns on the streets instead?

Oh crap, I didn't know I put "not." Sorry about that. I edited it.

Freudian slip ???

 

[fast]

Also, I'm not saying the police shouldn't have been notified, but I think it's a bad idea to taunt your would-be killer.

Imagine the victim (before becoming a victim) saying something like this:

Look bro, we just stopped to help. We'll be on our way. No wait, because you are being a dick, we're not just going to leave. First, we're going to destroy everything you've worked your whole life to build. Before we're done with you, you're going to lose your job, your freedom, and your wife. Yeah, dickhead, she is going to leave you because she isn't going to stay with another jobless dick who can't stay sober and clean enough to stay out of jail, which is exactly where you're going to go. Maybe you've had multiple run-ins with the law, and maybe what I'm about to do will put you away for a long, long time. Better grab your phone and call your wife to give your little girl a hug, 'cause it's the last time you'll see her.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't call the authorities. I'm not saying you should either--assess the situation, but if you think you should, fine, but a) don't taunt, and b) don't be within bullet shot.

 

[fast]

Exactly.

The shooter was in the wrong. There is no escaping that.

I don't want to blame the victim. I just want to explain how one can prevent from becoming a victim without resorting to refraining from being a Good Samaritan. There are things we can do. When we are in the right (or even if in the wrong; it doesn't matter), we can make the choice to postpone being mouthy. We can temper our attitude. We can (oh let me see) not threaten to take actions that any belligerent person realizes can turn their world upside down. Calling the police can adversely effect the direction of someone's life. It can effect their financial life. It can effect their personal life!

So, remember that the next time you openly threaten to have someone fired when they're on the verge of a breakdown. Remember that the next time you flip someone off in traffic and your kid is in the car with you. You might get lucky...most do, but fuck with people enough, you'll eventually come across the wrong one, and although you get to bask in your morally superior position, you may not get to rest for all the tears that could have been prevented.

There isn't anything in the article that says that they were calling the police for revenge, to get him in trouble, or that they let him know they were calling. It might seem like he knew they were calling the police, but maybe he was paranoid and thought they were calling other people to gang up on him. Let's not make too many assumptions until we know more.

Man, you suck. Why can't I make some assumptions? I've been kinda good lately. Y'all should hand out assumption tokens for a treat once in a while.

 

[4321lynx]

Let me explain something. Some people live by a code: don't fuck with me, and I won't fuck with you.

When the people stopped, they were (perhaps) being good Samaritans. When the guy became belligerent, it was their choice to leave unharmed. Do notice, please do notice, these 'good Samaritans' made a choice, but when you boldenly announce the threat to call the police, you are in direct violation of the code. What that means is you're taking a chance with your life.

To the young liberals and the older one's set in their ways, the problem isn't with stopping to help. The problem is with blatently announcing that they were calling the police. Notice, and notice well, WHEN they were shot, especially what they were doing when one was shot.

This is not, let me repeat, NOT about YOUR version of right and wrong. It's about the code. Oh, and the attitude of the code breakers too, I'd put money on without evidence to support my bet.

I dont get your point. Noone can place themselve outside the community. You cannot invent your own rules just for you.

That's because you don't know the American right wing. What might be called the NRA == Nationalist Rightwing Americans or NRWA == Nationalist Rightwing White Americans.

 

[4321lynx]

The car driven by Marvin Jacob Lee, 27, of Claremont in northeastern Catawba County, was stuck off Mathis Church Road when a passing truck with three men stopped to help about 5:20 p.m. Friday, Reid said.

Nearby neighbors came to help, too.

But when Lee allegedly became belligerant, the Samaritans decided to call police to come help him. “They thought he was drunk or on dope and said ‘let’s just call the law and let them deal with it,’ ” Reid said.

As they called, Lee took out an automatic pistol and started shooting. The Samaritans ran. A bullet struck the victim, who fell. Reid said Lee walked to the man, stood over him and shot him “numerous times.” Reid identified the victim as Jefferson Heavner, 26, of Newton.

Lee returned to his car, as deputies arrived. They shouted for him to get out. When he didn’t, they called a SWAT team, which pulled their armored truck up to Lee’s car. “They saw that he was passed out,” Reid said.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article56234845.html#storylink=cpy

Is the culprit going to plead "Alcohol-drugfluenza?" or "SouthernWhitefluenza?"

 

[Derec]

What might be called the NRA == Nationalist Rightwing Americans or NRWA == Nationalist Rightwing White Americans.

Is the culprit going to plead "Alcohol-drugfluenza?" or "SouthernWhitefluenza?"

Why are you so obsessed on making this all about race?

 

[4321lynx]

Is the culprit going to plead "Alcohol-drugfluenza?" or "SouthernWhitefluenza?"

Why are you so obsessed on making this all about race?

Not obsessed, guessing because:

1 It was Athena's OP & that is about black vs white most of the time.
2 The culprit's name was Lee (Yes, I realise that was his surname, but "cut me some slack".)
3 The victim's first name was Jefferson.
4 I am a kind of racist, b ut not in an evil way.

And, let me guess again, you're a white man or woman aren't you? Southern White or just living there?

 

[Toni]

Also, I'm not saying the police shouldn't have been notified, but I think it's a bad idea to taunt your would-be killer.

Imagine the victim (before becoming a victim) saying something like this:

Look bro, we just stopped to help. We'll be on our way. No wait, because you are being a dick, we're not just going to leave. First, we're going to destroy everything you've worked your whole life to build. Before we're done with you, you're going to lose your job, your freedom, and your wife. Yeah, dickhead, she is going to leave you because she isn't going to stay with another jobless dick who can't stay sober and clean enough to stay out of jail, which is exactly where you're going to go. Maybe you've had multiple run-ins with the law, and maybe what I'm about to do will put you away for a long, long time. Better grab your phone and call your wife to give your little girl a hug, 'cause it's the last time you'll see her.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't call the authorities. I'm not saying you should either--assess the situation, but if you think you should, fine, but a) don't taunt, and b) don't be within bullet shot.

Wait a minute: It seems to me that calling the police was an effort to help someone who was stranded, not an attempt to screw over a drunk guy. He was stranded and could have been in danger himself.

It's altogether possible that Lee was too drunk to consider that the men who stopped were actually still attempting to help him.

It's quite likely that the men who stopped to help Lee had no idea he was armed.

It's not unlikely that Lee was drunk enough that whether or not they said anything out loud, Lee would have fired at them. He seems not to be a very stable person.

Also, for the record, Jefferson Heavner was white, judging by online photos.