Bernie Will Have Trump Elected President

[SLD]

I say Bernie's failure to concede the nomination and refusal to endorse Clinton as basically throwing the election to Trump. Clinton won a majority of the voters and a majority of the delegates. She is the nominee. It is over. By refusing to endorse Clinton, he is telling his supporters not to vote for her. They will either stay home, or vote for someone else. The result could very well be President Trump. Trump would be by far the worst President in our history. Xenophobic, racist,, dictatorial, hell bent on provoking war, destroying our alliances, as well as our economy. And yet Sanders can't see the fact that he lost so he's going to say "we might as well have Trump since I can't make it."

I find that despicable. Clinton may have her faults, but she is 64,532 x (+/-) better than Trump. To say there's no difference between Trump and Clinton is bizarre nonsense. Sanders should concede, and throw his full support behind her. Defeating Trump should be the imperative.

SLD

 

[Harry Bosch]

I say Bernie's failure to concede the nomination and refusal to endorse Clinton as basically throwing the election to Trump. Clinton won a majority of the voters and a majority of the delegates. She is the nominee. It is over. By refusing to endorse Clinton, he is telling his supporters not to vote for her. They will either stay home, or vote for someone else. The result could very well be President Trump. Trump would be by far the worst President in our history. Xenophobic, racist,, dictatorial, hell bent on provoking war, destroying our alliances, as well as our economy. And yet Sanders can't see the fact that he lost so he's going to say "we might as well have Trump since I can't make it."

I find that despicable. Clinton may have her faults, but she is 64,532 x (+/-) better than Trump. To say there's no difference between Trump and Clinton is bizarre nonsense. Sanders should concede, and throw his full support behind her. Defeating Trump should be the imperative.

SLD

Totally agree. To make it worse, Bernie wants a dictatorship. The only way that he could win the democratic election is to allow the minority (those who voted for Bernie) to overturn the majority (those who voted for Clinton). HRC got the most votes of anyone running in the country (republicans and democrats). King Bernie is trying to nullify our votes.

Three weeks I liked Bernie. I totally respected that he was fighting Hillary on the issues. Not playing the personal game like Trump. And he raised very important issues. But now he's helping Trump. Despicable.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

No, Clinton will beat Trump all on her own. All that Sanders is doing is undercutting any leverage he has over the Dem platform and his ability to influence Clinton on policy. A couple of weeks ago, she would have handed him Chelsea's head on a silver platter in exchange for an endorsement and been happy with the trade - he could have gotten any concessions that he wanted.

Now that the general election has begun and she has Obama and Warren and everyone else working in concert with her and Trump's flaming out and playing exactly into Clinton's strategy of painting him as too dangerously incompetent to be trusted as President, she doesn't really need Sanders anymore. Having his supporters come out and vote as well would be nice, but catering to them doesn't need to be a necessary part of a victorious strategy and she can just have Warren shove Sanders into a corner and bring along as many of them as want to bother with it.

Sanders overplayed his hand and has ended up far weaker because of it.

 

[Elixir]

No, Clinton will beat Trump all on her own. All that Sanders is doing is undercutting any leverage he has over the Dem platform and his ability to influence Clinton on policy.

Completely agree. There will yet come a time I believe, when Sanders will issue a call to his supporters to vote for Clinton... his timing in bowing out of the non-race has already been fumbled, but I think delaying an outright endorsement might be a benefit in the long run. If he were to do so now, it would give too much time for enthusiasm to fade before the election.

 

[funinspace]

Patience Grasshopper...

No, Clinton will beat Trump all on her own. All that Sanders is doing is undercutting any leverage he has over the Dem platform and his ability to influence Clinton on policy.

Completely agree. There will yet come a time I believe, when Sanders will issue a call to his supporters to vote for Clinton... his timing in bowing out of the non-race has already been fumbled, but I think delaying an outright endorsement might be a benefit in the long run. If he were to do so now, it would give too much time for enthusiasm to fade before the election.

Yep. I'd say his (non) concession speech is heading the right direction. He said many of the necessary things. He'll get there, there is plenty of time...

 

[Tristan Scott]

Completely agree. There will yet come a time I believe, when Sanders will issue a call to his supporters to vote for Clinton... his timing in bowing out of the non-race has already been fumbled, but I think delaying an outright endorsement might be a benefit in the long run. If he were to do so now, it would give too much time for enthusiasm to fade before the election.

Yep. I'd say his (non) concession speech is heading the right direction. He said many of the necessary things. He'll get there, there is plenty of time...

This^^

He knows what he's doing. He has no intention of helping Trump. I predict he will have a big part at the convention-and during a prime time speech he will lay it all out.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yep. I'd say his (non) concession speech is heading the right direction. He said many of the necessary things. He'll get there, there is plenty of time...

This^^

He knows what he's doing. He has no intention of helping Trump. I predict he will have a big part at the convention-and during a prime time speech he will lay it all out.

This^^^^

This is all calculated. Sanders can't just turn on a dime and say "Vote for the establishment!"

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

This is more about Bernie's supporters than it is about Bernie himself. Bernie outright supporting Clinton would be seen by Bernie's supporters as selling out. How would that help anything?

 

[Horatio Parker]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sanders-loses-convention-leverage-224469

Leverage: it’s the one thing Bernie Sanders’ advisors and aides consistently point to when asked why, exactly, he’s formally staying in the Democratic primary race that he’s lost to Hillary Clinton.
But it's the one thing he’s been bleeding every day ever since he dropped California’s primary by a much wider-than-expected margin last week. Sanders’ summer was supposed to be all about building leverage for the Democratic convention, providing him with a better hand to play as he presses Clinton to accept his policy positions and party reform suggestions. Now, the people closest to him aren’t sure how exactly to get it back.
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His first and most prominent endorsers have jumped off the bandwagon, congratulating and in some cases endorsing Clinton — from Sen. Jeff Merkley to Rep. Raul Grijalva, and from the Communications Workers of America to MoveOn.org.Each of the big-name Democrats and groups who steadfastly remained neutral in the primary have flocked to Clinton over the past week, from President Barack Obama to Sen. Elizabeth Warren to the AFL-CIO. Even Sanders' highest-profile congressional endorsee, Nevada’s Lucy Flores, lost her primary bid on Tuesday despite his cash injection into her campaign.
Yet on Thursday night, speaking to over 200,000 viewers who tuned into his live-streamed video address, Sanders vowed to press on — pledging to fight to defeat Donald Trump but refusing to formally back Clinton and insisting his army of supporters isn’t going anywhere.

I guess with Trump tanking, HRC at this point isn't in dire need of Bernie. She can let him twist in the wind.

 

[repoman]

Does Trump have the ability to pull fake modesty when a sensible advisor tells him at key times?
Such as letting others say he was right (not really true) about islamic terror in regards to the Orlando massacre instead of doing it himself?

That is his only way to win.

He is gonna have a full on Malcolm X "chickens coming home to roost" gaffe even worse than his Orlanda bragging soon.

Not even rich assholes are going to give him much money and HRC will outspend him like crazy. Then he will not be able to use the billions he doesn't actually have.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Clinton may have her faults, but she is 64,532 x (+/-) better than Trump. To say there's no difference between Trump and Clinton is bizarre nonsense.

She's more of the same corrupt but survivable system you've had for decades. Trump is a total shake up and roll of the dice. You have no idea what you would get with Trump. He could be much much worse than what you've got now, or he could be better. It is a total crapshoot with him. We have seen him play to the camera and tell people what he thinks they want to hear, and we've seen him inflate his ego, but we still have no idea what his actual policies would be. This is a guy who could be the next Hitler or could be the guy that ushers in a new era of positive change. As for supreme court justices, this dude could put Judge Judy on there for all we know. I wouldn't even be shocked if he invited Bernie Sanders to be his VP once he got desperate enough. LOL imagine that happening.

What we do know is that he is not Hillary, and a LOT of people hate Hillary, so he will get votes based on that alone. But at the end of the day you'll probably go with the devil you know instead of the devil you don't, and Hillary will win this election, as she was going to from the very start.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sanders-loses-convention-leverage-224469

Leverage: it’s the one thing Bernie Sanders’ advisors and aides consistently point to when asked why, exactly, he’s formally staying in the Democratic primary race that he’s lost to Hillary Clinton.
But it's the one thing he’s been bleeding every day ever since he dropped California’s primary by a much wider-than-expected margin last week. Sanders’ summer was supposed to be all about building leverage for the Democratic convention, providing him with a better hand to play as he presses Clinton to accept his policy positions and party reform suggestions. Now, the people closest to him aren’t sure how exactly to get it back.
Story Continued Below

His first and most prominent endorsers have jumped off the bandwagon, congratulating and in some cases endorsing Clinton — from Sen. Jeff Merkley to Rep. Raul Grijalva, and from the Communications Workers of America to MoveOn.org.Each of the big-name Democrats and groups who steadfastly remained neutral in the primary have flocked to Clinton over the past week, from President Barack Obama to Sen. Elizabeth Warren to the AFL-CIO. Even Sanders' highest-profile congressional endorsee, Nevada’s Lucy Flores, lost her primary bid on Tuesday despite his cash injection into her campaign.
Yet on Thursday night, speaking to over 200,000 viewers who tuned into his live-streamed video address, Sanders vowed to press on — pledging to fight to defeat Donald Trump but refusing to formally back Clinton and insisting his army of supporters isn’t going anywhere.

I guess with Trump tanking, HRC at this point isn't in dire need of Bernie. She can let him twist in the wind.

Are you kidding? Clinton needs Bernie Sanders badly. This election isn't about winning the White House. That was almost a foregone conclusion before the Iowa Caucus. This is about the House and the Senate and whether massive turnout from moderates and liberals and depressed turnout from actual political conservatives can equate winning the House and taking a strong majority in the Senate (super-majority would require an epic defeat).

In a normal election cycle, closing the gap in the House and taking the Senate would have been what should be expected. The Republicans are defending 24 seats in the Senate, including many that were taken in blue parts of the country in the unspeakable '10 landslide. The Democrats are likely regaining New Hampshire, Illinois (RNC has jumped ship), Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. That the RNC has abandoned an incumbent Senator is actually quite telling as to the situation the Republicans are foreseeing. Losing those four seats means 50-50, tie goes to VP, likely *insert Clinton's VP running mate*. Add Arizona, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina, etc... to the mix with varying levels of danger of losing the seats, and a full on flip in seats is quite possible now.

In the House, the Democrats need to turn an absurd number of seats, which will be very hard due to gerrymandering in so many states. But, if the turnouts are favorable enough, the Dems can possibly win the House back, which really shouldn't be possible.

So Sanders and his supporters matter a lot right now. This isn't about winning, this about taking our country back from a Party that flat out derailed in 2009.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Clinton may have her faults, but she is 64,532 x (+/-) better than Trump. To say there's no difference between Trump and Clinton is bizarre nonsense.

She's more of the same corrupt but survivable system you've had for decades. Trump is a total shake up and roll of the dice. You have no idea what you would get with Trump.

Political position, he is a complete unknown. And let's be honest, do you want to vote for a guy of whom his positions are completely unknown?

What we do know is that his skin consists of the thinnest material on the planet, which isn't good because he loves to insult others. He clearly lacks the temperament to be President and he has shown absolutely no ability to appoint good people in to management positions or even have the ability to listen to what they have to say.

 

[Horatio Parker]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sanders-loses-convention-leverage-224469



I guess with Trump tanking, HRC at this point isn't in dire need of Bernie. She can let him twist in the wind.

Are you kidding? Clinton needs Bernie Sanders badly. This election isn't about winning the White House. That was almost a foregone conclusion before the Iowa Caucus. This is about the House and the Senate and whether massive turnout from moderates and liberals and depressed turnout from actual political conservatives can equate winning the House and taking a strong majority in the Senate (super-majority would require an epic defeat).

In a normal election cycle, closing the gap in the House and taking the Senate would have been what should be expected. The Republicans are defending 24 seats in the Senate, including many that were taken in blue parts of the country in the unspeakable '10 landslide. The Democrats are likely regaining New Hampshire, Illinois (RNC has jumped ship), Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. That the RNC has abandoned an incumbent Senator is actually quite telling as to the situation the Republicans are foreseeing. Losing those four seats means 50-50, tie goes to VP, likely *insert Clinton's VP running mate*. Add Arizona, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina, etc... to the mix with varying levels of danger of losing the seats, and a full on flip in seats is quite possible now.

In the House, the Democrats need to turn an absurd number of seats, which will be very hard due to gerrymandering in so many states. But, if the turnouts are favorable enough, the Dems can possibly win the House back, which really shouldn't be possible.

So Sanders and his supporters matter a lot right now. This isn't about winning, this about taking our country back from a Party that flat out derailed in 2009.

The point is this: RIGHT NOW HRC is beating Trump all by herself. That, in and of itself, makes Sander's support less valuable, not that she doesn't need it at all. She's going to get it at a lower cost. Time is now on her side. Trump and Bernie are both in decline, and she's rising. That's what I meant by twist in the wind; all she has to do is ride the wave.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Are you kidding? Clinton needs Bernie Sanders badly. This election isn't about winning the White House. That was almost a foregone conclusion before the Iowa Caucus. This is about the House and the Senate and whether massive turnout from moderates and liberals and depressed turnout from actual political conservatives can equate winning the House and taking a strong majority in the Senate (super-majority would require an epic defeat).

In a normal election cycle, closing the gap in the House and taking the Senate would have been what should be expected. The Republicans are defending 24 seats in the Senate, including many that were taken in blue parts of the country in the unspeakable '10 landslide. The Democrats are likely regaining New Hampshire, Illinois (RNC has jumped ship), Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. That the RNC has abandoned an incumbent Senator is actually quite telling as to the situation the Republicans are foreseeing. Losing those four seats means 50-50, tie goes to VP, likely *insert Clinton's VP running mate*. Add Arizona, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina, etc... to the mix with varying levels of danger of losing the seats, and a full on flip in seats is quite possible now.

In the House, the Democrats need to turn an absurd number of seats, which will be very hard due to gerrymandering in so many states. But, if the turnouts are favorable enough, the Dems can possibly win the House back, which really shouldn't be possible.

So Sanders and his supporters matter a lot right now. This isn't about winning, this about taking our country back from a Party that flat out derailed in 2009.

The point is this: RIGHT NOW HRC is beating Trump all by herself. That, in and of itself, makes Sander's support less valuable, not that she doesn't need it at all. She's going to get it at a lower cost. Time is now on her side. Trump and Bernie are both in decline, and she's rising. That's what I meant by twist in the wind; all she has to do is ride the wave.

Jebus! This isn't about the White House. The Republicans lost that race before the primaries started. This is about winning back Congress. And that can only happen with a massive turnout. Sanders matters a lot.

 

[Horatio Parker]

The point is this: RIGHT NOW HRC is beating Trump all by herself. That, in and of itself, makes Sander's support less valuable, not that she doesn't need it at all. She's going to get it at a lower cost. Time is now on her side. Trump and Bernie are both in decline, and she's rising. That's what I meant by twist in the wind; all she has to do is ride the wave.

Jebus! This isn't about the White House. The Republicans lost that race before the primaries started. This is about winning back Congress. And that can only happen with a massive turnout. Sanders matters a lot.

Sanders has been beating on HRC for months. The convention isn't until July 25th.

If Sanders is so damn concerned about Congress, he can step up to the plate. He isn't doing that. He's holding out and HRC isn't playing.

Are you suggesting that this is all HRC's fault?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Jebus! This isn't about the White House. The Republicans lost that race before the primaries started. This is about winning back Congress. And that can only happen with a massive turnout. Sanders matters a lot.

Sanders has been beating on HRC for months. The convention isn't until July 25th.

If Sanders is so damn concerned about Congress, he can step up to the plate. He isn't doing that. He's holding out and HRC isn't playing.

Are you suggesting that this is all HRC's fault?

No, I'm saying that Sanders can't just turn on a dime and say "Vote for the Establishment!" Something similar happen in '08 when Clinton herself at the Convention told her delegates to support Obama.

Being a Sanders supporter and voting for Clinton isn't easy to swallow. This will take some effort to transition, which is what I believe is happening at this point.

ETA: I apologize if I sound snippy... I'm reviewing something entirely unrelated at the moment... not pleased.

 

[Tristan Scott]

This is more about Bernie's supporters than it is about Bernie himself. Bernie outright supporting Clinton would be seen by Bernie's supporters as selling out. How would that help anything?

I agree to a point. There is a contingent of Sanders supporters who are so embittered that they won't accept Clinton regardless of what he does or says, but I predict that most of that contingent will not vote at all. Most of the Sanders supporters I know, and the polls are bearing this out, will vote for Clinton.

 

[fromderinside]

Where in this article is Bernie opting for Donald? Bernie Sanders, Still Running, Pledges to ‘Make Certain’ Donald Trump Is Defeated http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?ref=politics&_r=0

What I see is Bernie partnering with democrats in defeating Donald and pivoting toward building a counter to republicans in midterms.

Despite not endorsing Mrs. Clinton on Thursday night, Mr. Sanders showed signs that he was pivoting to other races, imploring supporters to run for “school boards, city councils, county commissions, state legislatures and governorships.” He kept his feud with the Democratic Party leadership on a low boil, criticizing it for letting Republicans dominate state legislatures.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Sanders has been beating on HRC for months. The convention isn't until July 25th.

If Sanders is so damn concerned about Congress, he can step up to the plate. He isn't doing that. He's holding out and HRC isn't playing.

Are you suggesting that this is all HRC's fault?

No, I'm saying that Sanders can't just turn on a dime and say "Vote for the Establishment!" Something similar happen in '08 when Clinton herself at the Convention told her delegates to support Obama.

Being a Sanders supporter and voting for Clinton isn't easy to swallow. This will take some effort to transition, which is what I believe is happening at this point.

Bernie isn't being conciliatory now. I don't know if that's good political tactics or not, but if the GOP meltdown continues, the less HRC needs to bend.