Odds of Trump just dropping out

[hurtinbuckaroo]

If you see him later, on the street, flip him a quarter when he comes to squeegee your window, and pity him if you don’t already.

Sorry, no. I want Hillary to do the full Conan "What is best in life" bit with Trump broken, bloodied, and abandoned by his knuckle-dragging followers.

 

[KeepTalking]

But the fact remains is that Trump actually comes much closer to representing the middle class than Hillary does.

I am not sure how anyone can believe this. Perhaps you just don't know about Trump, and how he deals with the middle class. He screws the middle class at every opportunity. He has had over 3,000 lawsuits filed against him, mostly by the middle class for not paying them. He has driven small business, owned and staffed by those in the middle class, out of business by awarding them huge contracts, and then refusing to pay them for the work they completed. Trump University was all about screwing the middle class. People who were just trying to get ahead, and thought Trump could lead the way for them, they paid him money they did not have (leveraging their credit), for worthless seminars that just tried to squeeze more money out of them.

Hillary is perceived as a corporate shill, and maybe there is some truth to that, but Trump is a part of the corporate world. He is exactly what Hillary is accused of being a shill for. Trump cares about no one but Trump, and he could certainly give two shits about the middle class.

Please go education yourself about this horrible, horrible man.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Mondale pulled only 3 more electoral votes than I did in that election and I was only ten years old at the time and not even on the ticket.

You got 7 electoral votes? Were they from Oregon, Arizona, Alabama, or Nebraska?

I stand corrected. I thought he only got 3--from Minnesota. Whatever the case, Walt and I have been neck and neck and consistently steady in our tally of electoral votes since then.

 

[fast]

Trump has the kind of mindset that drives him to win at what he sets his sights on, and he has come a long way (and with a building ego intact) knocking out the competition in the largest public eye world-wide. There's no way in hell that he's going to roll over and succumb to the negativity generated by liberal-built polling numbers. This isn't some guy with bravado whose going whimper away as he tires. Things are going to have to become worst than abysmal before he, as you put it, drops out.

 

[cornbread_r2]

Rather than quitting and being forever labelled a quitter, maybe Trump is going for suicide by convention. Like suicide by cop, he could continue to do the bare minimum to sustain the illusion of being a candidate while also deliberately and intentionally provoking the delegates to dump his lame ass at the convention.

This is premised on my assumption that Trump ran for president as a lark (or as a way to promote his brand) and was surprised when he kept winning primaries.

 

[Malintent]

In what ways do you feel that Trump represents the middle class better than Clinton?

He, in my opinion, represents the lowest form of American culture and attitude... the 'lower class', as it were.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump has the kind of mindset that drives him to win at what he sets his sights on, and he has come a long way (and with a building ego intact) knocking out the competition in the largest public eye world-wide. There's no way in hell that he's going to roll over and succumb to the negativity generated by liberal-built polling numbers. This isn't some guy with bravado whose going whimper away as he tires. Things are going to have to become worst than abysmal before he, as you put it, drops out.

The worst thing is that Trump believes in Trump. We've seen this thinking before when the W Admin made a case for going into Iraq and they ignored detractors. Sure, things have worked up to now, but instigating fights and calling people names isn't going to win a General Election.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

For Trump to drop out would probably take something like Clinton 71% - Trump 29%. I wouldn't bet on it.
What happens in Cleveland will be interesting. What might happen is Trump is short on campaign cash and a ground game and sags out rather than quits.

Exactly. He's in so long as he's spending someone else's dollar. If the money dries up he'll bolt.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

In what ways do you feel that Trump represents the middle class better than Clinton?

He, in my opinion, represents the lowest form of American culture and attitude... the 'lower class', as it were.

OK, allow me to rephrase. In what ways do you feel that the middle class would benefit from a Trump presidency over a Clinton presidency?

 

[RVonse]

He, in my opinion, represents the lowest form of American culture and attitude... the 'lower class', as it were.

OK, allow me to rephrase. In what ways do you feel that the middle class would benefit from a Trump presidency over a Clinton presidency?

He says he wants fair trade with China instead of TPP. With his strong business background it is a good possiblility he may be successful. I agree with him that past presidents have been chumps. And so do the people of this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMlmjXtnIXI&feature=share

Perhaps it is true that Trump has swindled individual people who are middle class. But when I say he is for the middle class, what that means is the middle class taken together. Favorable policy decisions vs bad policy decisions for the middle class. What the middle class desperately needs now are the same premium jobs back that Clinton's NAFTA blew away. Right now China is dumping steel with unfair trading and Trump will fix that.

Trump is not going let the banksters run over the middle class any longer either. Clinton OTOH has to cooperate with them because she is whoring with them. And the banksters run away behavior adds up to be the single most important issue to middle class prosperity (or lack of) that there is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OK, allow me to rephrase. In what ways do you feel that the middle class would benefit from a Trump presidency over a Clinton presidency?

He says he wants fair trade with China instead of TPP. With his strong business background it is a good possiblility he may be successful. I agree with him that past presidents have been chumps. And so do the people of this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMlmjXtnIXI&feature=share

Are you kidding. It was corporate people like him that sent jobs to Asia in the first place!

Perhaps it is true that Trump has swindled individual people who are middle class.

It is true. They have brochures for the sales people who worked for Trump University.

But when I say he is for the middle class, what that means is the middle class taken together. Favorable policy decisions vs bad policy decisions for the middle class. What the middle class desperately needs now are the same premium jobs back that Clinton's NAFTA blew away. Right now China is dumping steel with unfair trading and Trump will fix that.

You are aware that China isn't in North America right? How many premium jobs disappeared to Mexico and Canada?

More importantly, how many of the jobs lost to Asia and others have since then been lost to automation? People say they want jobs back that have ceased to exist. Is Trump going to call for bringing back the Telegraph for those high paying telegraph related positions?

Trump is not going let the banksters run over the middle class any longer either.

Why not? Trump doesn't give a fuck. Trump has never shown he has given fuck based on Trump University and the shilling jobs he has done putting his name on products that have failed. Also the whole not paying people for work thing.

 

[Tristan Scott]

He says he wants fair trade with China instead of TPP. With his strong business background it is a good possiblility he may be successful. I agree with him that past presidents have been chumps. And so do the people of this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMlmjXtnIXI&feature=share

As Jimmy has pointed out to you NAFTA was a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada. Also, NAFTA didn't cause the loss of any jobs in the USA, the job loss was happening anyway because of greedy corporatists like Trump looking for cheap labor. NAFTA was an attempt to send the jobs that were going to Asia to Mexico instead. If manufacturing was taking place in Mexico resources for the manufacturing would be purchased here and the US could also profit from the required infrastructure improvements in Mexico. The only way for the government to force companies to keep their manufacturing in the US is through taxation, which is another form of protectionism, which could lead to retaliation by our trade partners., i.e. trade wars which invariably lead to recession.

In my opinion trade deficits are vastly overstated as far as overall economic health is concerned-the 90s are proof of that-the elephant in the room is always going to be the critical need to re-disribute the wealth in this country. We know how to do it, we've done it before, we just need politicians with the balls to do it.

 

[Elixir]

Rather than quitting and being forever labelled a quitter, maybe Trump is going for suicide by convention. Like suicide by cop, he could continue to do the bare minimum to sustain the illusion of being a candidate while also deliberately and intentionally provoking the delegates to dump his lame ass at the convention.

This is premised on my assumption that Trump ran for president as a lark (or as a way to promote his brand) and was surprised when he kept winning primaries.

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I think the idea that the Clintons put him up to it is more likely than most here would admit. I don't think he wants to be president, but he does love being cheered on by thousands of drooling idiots. It is his drug addiction. So he'll stay at that trough as long as he can, soaking up the adoration. Probably hoping the Pugs will force him out at the convention so he can give lots of speeches about what a great president he would have been.

 

[rousseau]

Occam's Razor would say he's just an idiot that's in over his head now.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

This.

 

[fast]

Trump is not going let the banksters run over the middle class any longer either.

Why not? Trump doesn't give a fuck. Trump has never shown he has given fuck based on Trump University and the shilling jobs he has done putting his name on products that have failed. Also the whole not paying people for work thing.

If he strikes a deal and it's not a win-win such that it's only a win for him, then though that may not always be right, it's not necessarily disadvantageous for the winning side.

You're not bracketing up. If he works for a business, expect him to side with his personal well-being over the company to which he works. If he owns a business, expect him to side with the success of the business, community fallout be damned. If he governs a state, expect him to care a hell of a lot more about the success of the state he's governing. If he's president, lookout rest of the world. If he becomes leader of the planet, he might try to strike a good deal with alien life, but if he can't as such and only Earth comes out ahead, then it's a go.

You are saying he don't give a darn, well, the role he takes on is important, and you're not taking that into account. I find it hard to conclude that he's not going to act in the US's best interest because he didn't do so when it wasn't apart of his role to do so.

 

[maginog]

I have this crazy theory that Trump only entered this race in the first place to help Clinton, that he has pulled off a masterful performance, and that he always intended to hand the presidency to Hillary if he won the nomination. They have a long history of being friends and of him supporting her and Bill, and it would explain so much. He outcrazied the crazy republicans as only he can, and used his celebrity and bold language to push the talking points the republicans always hinted at, but did it more explicitly and captured the nomination.

Brilliant really on Trump and Hillary's part if this was the plan all along

I would say this scenario is as likely as Coca-Cola planning for the New Coke campaign to work out the way it did.

On the other hand, Coke ended up with an increased percentage of market share with the reintroduction of old Coke and the resulting increase in old Coke sales. Having both new and old Coke available together also added to overall sales, even though new Coke was essentially a flop.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why not? Trump doesn't give a fuck. Trump has never shown he has given fuck based on Trump University and the shilling jobs he has done putting his name on products that have failed. Also the whole not paying people for work thing.

If he strikes a deal and it's not a win-win such that it's only a win for him, then though that may not always be right, it's not necessarily disadvantageous for the winning side.

You're not bracketing up. If he works for a business, expect him to side with his personal well-being over the company to which he works. If he owns a business, expect him to side with the success of the business, community fallout be damned. If he governs a state, expect him to care a hell of a lot more about the success of the state he's governing. If he's president, lookout rest of the world. If he becomes leader of the planet, he might try to strike a good deal with alien life, but if he can't as such and only Earth comes out ahead, then it's a go.

You are saying he don't give a darn, well, the role he takes on is important, and you're not taking that into account. I find it hard to conclude that he's not going to act in the US's best interest because he didn't do so when it wasn't apart of his role to do so.

So what does this have to do with banking regulations?

 

[fast]

If he strikes a deal and it's not a win-win such that it's only a win for him, then though that may not always be right, it's not necessarily disadvantageous for the winning side.

You're not bracketing up. If he works for a business, expect him to side with his personal well-being over the company to which he works. If he owns a business, expect him to side with the success of the business, community fallout be damned. If he governs a state, expect him to care a hell of a lot more about the success of the state he's governing. If he's president, lookout rest of the world. If he becomes leader of the planet, he might try to strike a good deal with alien life, but if he can't as such and only Earth comes out ahead, then it's a go.

You are saying he don't give a darn, well, the role he takes on is important, and you're not taking that into account. I find it hard to conclude that he's not going to act in the US's best interest because he didn't do so when it wasn't apart of his role to do so.

So what does this have to do with banking regulations?

It has to do with your reasoning (him not caring) for why he wouldn't act in the middle class's best interest regarding bank regulations.

 

[RVonse]

Trumps speech to recruit Sander supporters here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgEHDTEd6Fo

Based on comments here I won't expect many of you to listen to any of this but one thing that stood out for me is when he said: "Hillary's campaign slogan is I'm with her. But my slogan is I'm with you. America first."

It was a hell of a speech IMO. I'm actually a Bernie supporter and a registered democrat but still found it hard to disagree with any he said.