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What does everyone think the odds are of Trump just dropping out before November?

This is assuming that the race keeps going the way that it's going now and Clinton is crushing him in the polls, outspending him by hundreds of millions of dollars and all the minority groups are looking to come out in droves, Sanders has come onto the team and is inspiring all his millions of followers, etc and the race is on course to have Trump lose by epic and historic proportions. There's no turnaround which puts him into the lead.

Does anyone think that Trump will find a way to just say that he's being screwed over by the elitists due to their [insert bullshit excuse here] and drop out of the race instead of being remembered by history as the guy who lost that badly?

I think there's a not insignificant chance of something like that.
 

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So do I, but I think there are equal chances of a GOP coup.

It's already getting noisy, and the convention is almost a month away. If Trump doesn't halt the slide, there could be trouble.

A virtually unopposed Pres election? Bizarre...
 

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Last October he said he'd quit if his polling numbers went down (although he was referring to opponents who were polling single digits). In February they were giving 7-2 he'd quit after Super Tuesday.

I don't think there's a line on that right now, but I'd say it's a longshot.
 

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This just in from the Department of As ye sow, so shall ye reap:

Trump will ride this one off the rails with his hand on the throttle. The GOP knows they can survive a Hillary Presidency. They know they can survive a two term Hillary. What they can't survive is the fratricide required to push Trump off the podium at the convention. Even if Trump resigned the race before the convention, the effect would be the same. A great number of Trump voters would stay home.

Trump's going to lose, but that's not the problem. The turnout will determine how many GOP Congressional seats can be held. With Trump in the race, the anti-Trump turnout will make it tough, but a boycott by disgruntled Trump supporters could give the Senate back to the Dems and leave the GOP majority in the House hanging by maybe less than 10 seats. A worse case scenario had a Democratic sweep and they take the House.
 

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So do I, but I think there are equal chances of a GOP coup.

It's already getting noisy, and the convention is almost a month away. If Trump doesn't halt the slide, there could be trouble.

A virtually unopposed Pres election? Bizarre...

Ya, something like that might be the excuse. If there's a significant opposition to him at the GOP convention, he could find a way to spin that as "well, you elitists are ignoring the will of the voters, so screw you" and play it as their fault that he's walking away as opposed to it being that his campaign has turned off the vast majority of the country.
 

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and the race is on course to have Trump lose by epic and historic proportions. There's no turnaround which puts him into the lead.
I think in those conditions he'll keep plugging away on his main political theme: Me! ME! ME! ME!

Free press and millions of people listening to him and when he loses, he can blame anyone he wants to . The RNC didn't support him, the media didn't like him, the voters didn't understand him, whatever.

I think if it starts to look like he's going to win, THEN he'll drop it like it's hot.
 

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I have this crazy theory that Trump only entered this race in the first place to help Clinton, that he has pulled off a masterful performance, and that he always intended to hand the presidency to Hillary if he won the nomination. They have a long history of being friends and of him supporting her and Bill, and it would explain so much. He outcrazied the crazy republicans as only he can, and used his celebrity and bold language to push the talking points the republicans always hinted at, but did it more explicitly and captured the nomination.

Brilliant really on Trump and Hillary's part if this was the plan all along :)
 

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I have this crazy theory that Trump only entered this race in the first place to help Clinton, that he has pulled off a masterful performance, and that he always intended to hand the presidency to Hillary if he won the nomination. They have a long history of being friends and of him supporting her and Bill, and it would explain so much. He outcrazied the crazy republicans as only he can, and used his celebrity and bold language to push the talking points the republicans always hinted at, but did it more explicitly and captured the nomination.

Brilliant really on Trump and Hillary's part if this was the plan all along :)

I would say this scenario is as likely as Coca-Cola planning for the New Coke campaign to work out the way it did.
 

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This just in from the Department of As ye sow, so shall ye reap:

Trump will ride this one off the rails with his hand on the throttle. The GOP knows they can survive a Hillary Presidency. They know they can survive a two term Hillary. What they can't survive is the fratricide required to push Trump off the podium at the convention. Even if Trump resigned the race before the convention, the effect would be the same. A great number of Trump voters would stay home.

Trump's going to lose, but that's not the problem. The turnout will determine how many GOP Congressional seats can be held. With Trump in the race, the anti-Trump turnout will make it tough, but a boycott by disgruntled Trump supporters could give the Senate back to the Dems and leave the GOP majority in the House hanging by maybe less than 10 seats. A worse case scenario had a Democratic sweep and they take the House.
The question remains, will turnout among normal conservatives be good enough with Trump. I think one group of Republicans think the answer is no. But you'd think those people would be pragmatic enough to vote down the ticket and abstain from Trump. Where as dropping Trump could lead to a notable loss of turnout.

Regarding Trump's ratings, if you look at the polling, he is actually returning to where he was before he became the presumptive nominee.
 

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So do I, but I think there are equal chances of a GOP coup.

It's already getting noisy, and the convention is almost a month away. If Trump doesn't halt the slide, there could be trouble.

A virtually unopposed Pres election? Bizarre...

Would not be the first time of course.
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Democrats had a bit of a horrible decade there before Slick Willy came along...
 

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Think of all of Trump's slighting references to Mitt as THE LOSER (and a loser who lost what Trump says shoulda been the easiest victory ever.) Then drool along with me for the chance to see El Trumpo lose to A WOMAN in 4 and 1/2 months. Any bets as to what he'll say? Will there even be a concession speech? My prediction: he'll go down blaming the Republican establishment (with just a little truth to that) and the bigoted media (no truth whatsoever.) I tell you, I live to see it happen. The fates can't be cruel enough to deny us the spectacle of Trump losing as a big LOSER in a crunching election LOSS. He'll be bleeding out of his you know what.
 

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I have this crazy theory that Trump only entered this race in the first place to help Clinton, that he has pulled off a masterful performance, and that he always intended to hand the presidency to Hillary if he won the nomination. They have a long history of being friends and of him supporting her and Bill, and it would explain so much. He outcrazied the crazy republicans as only he can, and used his celebrity and bold language to push the talking points the republicans always hinted at, but did it more explicitly and captured the nomination.

Brilliant really on Trump and Hillary's part if this was the plan all along :)

I would say this scenario is as likely as Coca-Cola planning for the New Coke campaign to work out the way it did.

If it comes to light later on that I was right about this, do I win a prize?
 

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So do I, but I think there are equal chances of a GOP coup.

It's already getting noisy, and the convention is almost a month away. If Trump doesn't halt the slide, there could be trouble.

A virtually unopposed Pres election? Bizarre...

Would not be the first time of course.
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Democrats had a bit of a horrible decade there before Slick Willy came along...

Nothing compared to the decade that followed...
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For Trump to drop out would probably take something like Clinton 71% - Trump 29%. I wouldn't bet on it.
What happens in Cleveland will be interesting. What might happen is Trump is short on campaign cash and a ground game and sags out rather than quits.
 

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If nothing else, this might be the most interesting American election any of us see in our lifetimes.
 

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What does everyone think the odds are of Trump just dropping out before November?

This is assuming that the race keeps going the way that it's going now and Clinton is crushing him in the polls, outspending him by hundreds of millions of dollars and all the minority groups are looking to come out in droves, Sanders has come onto the team and is inspiring all his millions of followers, etc and the race is on course to have Trump lose by epic and historic proportions. There's no turnaround which puts him into the lead.

Does anyone think that Trump will find a way to just say that he's being screwed over by the elitists due to their [insert bullshit excuse here] and drop out of the race instead of being remembered by history as the guy who lost that badly?

I think there's a not insignificant chance of something like that.

I was actually thinking about this last week. I'll repost my prediction I put on Facebook:

To those that have ears, let them hear my pronouncement, as the prophecy issues from my lips.
Donald Trump’s last couple of weeks has been very encouraging. When Trump isn’t being treated with kid gloves like in his Republican debates, he doesn’t fair too well. Thus far, the serious attacks and hard questions haven’t even started yet. There’s a long way to go until November, and frankly, Donald is too stupid and egotistical to be able to control himself until then. So much for looking presidential.
Here is my prediction. Donald isn’t releasing his tax returns for a couple of reasons. 1) He isn’t nearly as wealthy as he says he is, 2) There’s some rather dodgy items in there he’d rather people not see. Combine this with his brand, which has taken a serious hit. His hotels are floundering, he’s lost business deals, beauty pageants, and golf tournaments. It won’t be long before even mentally challenged Trump realizes there’s only one way out of this mess – become President of the United States. After all, with his brand in ruins and businesses on the rocks, what is there to go back to for the man that puts so much stock in “winning” after losing his presidential bid?
So Donald will be getting desperate ladies and gentlemen, and the pressure will only get much, much worse on him from here on out. Republicans don’t want to be represented by him, and the media is finally showing something beginning to possibly resemble a backbone. I expect the snapping point for Donald to be the first debate with Hillary. She is going to clearly show him to the nation as the fool he is. This is not because Hillary is especially daunting, or tough, or has excellent credibility or integrity. She has one outstanding quality. She is unflappable. You saw her at the Benghazi hearings. She has patience, and Donald, well, doesn’t. Donald is a 13 year old boy on Aderall, and it shows. Donald’s ego can’t take much bruising, and he’s already provided Hillary with more than enough ammunition to use against him, and I’m sure he’ll provide plenty more before the first debate. She will put his lack of experience, his lack of knowledge, and lackluster grasp on reality itself on display for all to see. He can only argue back with vague generalities and limp, sophomoric name calling.
The more desperate he gets, the more he will open his mouth. The more he opens his mouth, the more people will be increasingly turned off and convinced he is utterly incapable of being president. So the cycle goes, until the biggest winner, the best negotiator, the man with the best words who makes the best deals goes slinking back to Trump tower – soon to be called Deutsche Bank Properties, Inc.
If you see him later, on the street, flip him a quarter when he comes to squeegee your window, and pity him if you don’t already.
 

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What does everyone think the odds are of Trump just dropping out before November?
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Not likely.
Trump has a massive ego and is now in a two horse race against one of the most unpopular presidential candidates who were favorite to win, ever.
If Trump wins it will be hands down the greatest election performance in American history.
With most of the republican establishment against him and most of the press against him and spending relatively little and as a genuine outsider he destroyed the entire field. All he needs is something major to go wrong for Hillary and he could well be the next President.
 

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Latest news, Clinton's campaign has $43.5 million in the bank, Trump has $1.3 million. 20% of Trump's campaign spending goes to trump related businesses. If Trump can't even run a campaign, can he run an entire nation?

I'd bet many high ranking GOP officials are drinking large amounts of whiskey to deaden the pain.
 

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Latest news, Clinton's campaign has $43.5 million in the bank, Trump has $1.3 million. 20% of Trump's campaign spending goes to trump related businesses. If Trump can't even run a campaign, can he run an entire nation?
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With around $20 Trillion dollars in debt and a fiscal gap of over $200 trillion, maybe someone who runs a leaner campaign could be good for America. Hahahaha
 

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What does everyone think the odds are of Trump just dropping out before November?
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Not likely.
Trump has a massive ego and is now in a two horse race against one of the most unpopular presidential candidates who were favorite to win, ever.
If Trump wins it will be hands down the greatest election performance in American history.
No, that would be Truman defeating Dewey.
With most of the republican establishment against him and most of the press against him and spending relatively little and as a genuine outsider he destroyed the entire field.
A DC outsider. He is not outside of the establishment. He is well entrenched with the establishment.
All he needs is something major to go wrong for Hillary and he could well be the next President.
It would have to be something catastrophic. And this is ignoring the fact that Trump has still yet to be fully vetted as well, with Trump University hanging over his head.

Trump's ratings are returning to where they were, which could potentially put his popular vote in percentage lower than Mondale's. Polling at this point is not in Trump's favor and his statements regarding Hispanics will make winning must win states like Colorado and Florida nearly impossible, pretty much ending any chance of winning.
 

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Latest news, Clinton's campaign has $43.5 million in the bank, Trump has $1.3 million. 20% of Trump's campaign spending goes to trump related businesses. If Trump can't even run a campaign, can he run an entire nation?
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With around $20 Trillion dollars in debt and a fiscal gap of over $200 trillion, maybe someone who runs a leaner campaign could be good for America. Hahahaha

Which country is in worse financial shape? Russia or the USA?

The joke's on you, buddy.
 

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Latest news, Clinton's campaign has $43.5 million in the bank, Trump has $1.3 million. 20% of Trump's campaign spending goes to trump related businesses. If Trump can't even run a campaign, can he run an entire nation?
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With around $20 Trillion dollars in debt and a fiscal gap of over $200 trillion, maybe someone who runs a leaner campaign could be good for America. Hahahaha
Trump isn't running a leaner campaign. He'd need to be running a campaign at all. He is just talking and tweeting and pretending to finance his own run for President.
 

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I have this crazy theory that Trump only entered this race in the first place to help Clinton, that he has pulled off a masterful performance, and that he always intended to hand the presidency to Hillary if he won the nomination. They have a long history of being friends and of him supporting her and Bill, and it would explain so much. He outcrazied the crazy republicans as only he can, and used his celebrity and bold language to push the talking points the republicans always hinted at, but did it more explicitly and captured the nomination.

Brilliant really on Trump and Hillary's part if this was the plan all along :)

I would say this scenario is as likely as Coca-Cola planning for the New Coke campaign to work out the way it did.

.. which in itself is a viable, still argued, conspiracy theory that can just possibly be true.

Naw.. sharpshooter's fallacy.. .probably... maybe.
 

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With around $20 Trillion dollars in debt and a fiscal gap of over $200 trillion, maybe someone who runs a leaner campaign could be good for America. Hahahaha
Trump isn't running a leaner campaign. He'd need to be running a campaign at all. He is just talking and tweeting and pretending to finance his own run for President.

Exactly. That was everyone's biggest point as I recall. "Oh, he can't be bought because he's self financing his campaign." 1) No he's not. That's not even true of the Primary, with that big ass donate button on his website for dumb asses wanting to give their hard earned money to a billionaire. 2) The minute he was out of the primary, he ceased being "self-funding". 3) Elections aren't cheap. Put simply, Trump can't afford it.

So today he has a little over a mil cash on hand for his election. He has no big financiers. No one will risk backing this horse. Trump has said all along, he's more than happy to let the RNC do it for him. This warms my heart, because for the Republicans this is a lose/lose proposition. Does the RNC finance Trump's campaign? Throw away all that money, and crucially hurt the other campaigns that are close races that desperately need the RNC's help? Or do they ignore Trump, rely on that press like they have been (which might almost be growing a spine) and fund those other important races? Decisions, decisions...
 

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I have this crazy theory that Trump only entered this race in the first place to help Clinton, that he has pulled off a masterful performance, and that he always intended to hand the presidency to Hillary if he won the nomination. They have a long history of being friends and of him supporting her and Bill, and it would explain so much. He outcrazied the crazy republicans as only he can, and used his celebrity and bold language to push the talking points the republicans always hinted at, but did it more explicitly and captured the nomination.

Brilliant really on Trump and Hillary's part if this was the plan all along :)
Yeah, I had thought about that too! It just shows that the guy only gives the impression that he is capable of anything even the craziest of all.
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According to NPR it looks like he could be commingling campaign funds with his businesses. I don't know what the legalities are of that, but the report says there are myriad federal regulations against it. But we'll see what happens with that. And suddenly he isn't self-financing. For a man with $10 billion dollars, he'd only have to kick in .05% of that wealth to double Hillary's current war chest of $25 million. But it seems to be more and more likely that before this thing is over, or maybe shortly after it's over, that Trump's personal wealth will be in the sub half-billion range. That's still a shitload of money, but his claims of being worth $10 billion is going to make him look like an even bigger asshole than he does now.

I hope this does turn out to be worse than Mondale-Reagan. Mondale pulled only 3 more electoral votes than I did in that election and I was only ten years old at the time and not even on the ticket. Unfortunately though, it appears that the minimum any state can have is 3. So Trump is going to have to lose every state to do worse than Mondale. But the % difference in popular vote is up for grabs.

Anyway, he's running a third party type of campaign; little money and a tiny staff. I mean, how many staffers does the Green or Libertarian candidate have? Anyone know?

Hillary is blitzing the swing states and Trump has yet to run an ad in those places.

I don't think it's impossible that he'll drop out--it's certainly not farfetched. And Trump, despite his gross overuse of the word "classy" is anything but. He'll leave the GOP like an obnoxious, super drunk party guests who drops his pants and lays a dook in the foyer, yells loudly that everyone can fuck off, and then vomits on the front steps before falling down, hitting his head, and then is carted off in ambulance.
 

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Trump isn't running a leaner campaign. He'd need to be running a campaign at all. He is just talking and tweeting and pretending to finance his own run for President.

Exactly. That was everyone's biggest point as I recall. "Oh, he can't be bought because he's self financing his campaign." 1) No he's not. That's not even true of the Primary, with that big ass donate button on his website for dumb asses wanting to give their hard earned money to a billionaire. 2) The minute he was out of the primary, he ceased being "self-funding". 3) Elections aren't cheap. Put simply, Trump can't afford it.

So today he has a little over a mil cash on hand for his election. He has no big financiers. No one will risk backing this horse. Trump has said all along, he's more than happy to let the RNC do it for him. This warms my heart, because for the Republicans this is a lose/lose proposition. Does the RNC finance Trump's campaign? Throw away all that money, and crucially hurt the other campaigns that are close races that desperately need the RNC's help? Or do they ignore Trump, rely on that press like they have been (which might almost be growing a spine) and fund those other important races? Decisions, decisions...

It does put the RNC in a bit of a pickle. They know that Trump has no shot and really want to use all of their money to shore up the House races so that they don't lose their majority there along with the Senate. On the other hand, split-ticket voting isn't actually much of a thing and there's not a large percentage of people who are going to be bothering to come out and vote for the down ticket races if they don't intend to vote for Trump as well. So, they kind of need to support him but, on the other hand, don't want to burn too much of their cash on supporting him.

If the whole lot of them didn't make me want to vomit, I'd feel sorry for them. As it is, I find the situation they're in to be hilarious.
 

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With most of the republican establishment against him and most of the press against him and spending relatively little and as a genuine outsider he destroyed the entire field.

He destroyed the entire field because the 60%-70% of the (Republican) electorate who voted against him couldn't unite around a single candidate.

That will not be a problem in November...
 

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The US electorate is being worked heavily by the ruling elite right now....and unfortunately it looks like they are winning again. Most of the people who post on this forum are so liberal, they can not see past their own nose and so they stick to Hillary even though they know what she really is. But the fact remains is that Trump actually comes much closer to representing the middle class than Hillary does. Whether he makes the nomination will not matter to the ruling elite as long as they know he will lose.

One way or another we are going to get another war monger for POTUS, whether most of us like it or not. And one way or another more of the best jobs for the middle class are going to be lost and inequality even higher, whether most of us like it or not.

If you are in the middle class, you may as well pull down your pants, bend over and get the lube. And prepare yourself for what is coming again.
 

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In what ways do you feel that Trump represents the middle class better than Clinton?
 

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In what ways do you feel that Trump represents the middle class better than Clinton?

Trump doesn't actually represent the middle class, he entertains them better than Clinton.

Trump supporters come in two varieties. The first are delusional and the second are self inflicted gun shot foot injuries.

The delusional are just that. They believe Trump is going to win and believe everyone else thinks the same way.

The injured foot crowd know he doesn't have a chance, but their own lives are miserable and in turmoil. They enjoy watching people get upset when Trump does something obnoxious. Other people's misery and turmoil makes their own a little more bearable.

These are the kind of people who cheer on a bar fight between two people they don't know.
 

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The US electorate is being worked heavily by the ruling elite right now....and unfortunately it looks like they are winning again. Most of the people who post on this forum are so liberal, they can not see past their own nose and so they stick to Hillary even though they know what she really is. But the fact remains is that Trump actually comes much closer to representing the middle class than Hillary does. Whether he makes the nomination will not matter to the ruling elite as long as they know he will lose.

One way or another we are going to get another war monger for POTUS, whether most of us like it or not. And one way or another more of the best jobs for the middle class are going to be lost and inequality even higher, whether most of us like it or not.

If you are in the middle class, you may as well pull down your pants, bend over and get the lube. And prepare yourself for what is coming again.
One way or the other, we'll have someone suited for politics in the White House or a completely unsuited person for politics in the White House.

People seem to be whining about jobs leaving the nation for the Middle Class when those particular jobs left in the 70s and 80s. Jobs being lost now are part of a new 21st Century Economy where corporations are wringing the life out of their employees and using Interns and unpaid labor to get work done.
 

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If you see him later, on the street, flip him a quarter when he comes to squeegee your window, and pity him if you don’t already.

Sorry, no. I want Hillary to do the full Conan "What is best in life" bit with Trump broken, bloodied, and abandoned by his knuckle-dragging followers.
 

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But the fact remains is that Trump actually comes much closer to representing the middle class than Hillary does.

I am not sure how anyone can believe this. Perhaps you just don't know about Trump, and how he deals with the middle class. He screws the middle class at every opportunity. He has had over 3,000 lawsuits filed against him, mostly by the middle class for not paying them. He has driven small business, owned and staffed by those in the middle class, out of business by awarding them huge contracts, and then refusing to pay them for the work they completed. Trump University was all about screwing the middle class. People who were just trying to get ahead, and thought Trump could lead the way for them, they paid him money they did not have (leveraging their credit), for worthless seminars that just tried to squeeze more money out of them.

Hillary is perceived as a corporate shill, and maybe there is some truth to that, but Trump is a part of the corporate world. He is exactly what Hillary is accused of being a shill for. Trump cares about no one but Trump, and he could certainly give two shits about the middle class.

Please go education yourself about this horrible, horrible man.
 

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Mondale pulled only 3 more electoral votes than I did in that election and I was only ten years old at the time and not even on the ticket.

You got 7 electoral votes? Were they from Oregon, Arizona, Alabama, or Nebraska?

I stand corrected. I thought he only got 3--from Minnesota. Whatever the case, Walt and I have been neck and neck and consistently steady in our tally of electoral votes since then.
 

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Trump has the kind of mindset that drives him to win at what he sets his sights on, and he has come a long way (and with a building ego intact) knocking out the competition in the largest public eye world-wide. There's no way in hell that he's going to roll over and succumb to the negativity generated by liberal-built polling numbers. This isn't some guy with bravado whose going whimper away as he tires. Things are going to have to become worst than abysmal before he, as you put it, drops out.
 

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Rather than quitting and being forever labelled a quitter, maybe Trump is going for suicide by convention. Like suicide by cop, he could continue to do the bare minimum to sustain the illusion of being a candidate while also deliberately and intentionally provoking the delegates to dump his lame ass at the convention.

This is premised on my assumption that Trump ran for president as a lark (or as a way to promote his brand) and was surprised when he kept winning primaries.
 

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Trump has the kind of mindset that drives him to win at what he sets his sights on, and he has come a long way (and with a building ego intact) knocking out the competition in the largest public eye world-wide. There's no way in hell that he's going to roll over and succumb to the negativity generated by liberal-built polling numbers. This isn't some guy with bravado whose going whimper away as he tires. Things are going to have to become worst than abysmal before he, as you put it, drops out.
The worst thing is that Trump believes in Trump. We've seen this thinking before when the W Admin made a case for going into Iraq and they ignored detractors. Sure, things have worked up to now, but instigating fights and calling people names isn't going to win a General Election.
 

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For Trump to drop out would probably take something like Clinton 71% - Trump 29%. I wouldn't bet on it.
What happens in Cleveland will be interesting. What might happen is Trump is short on campaign cash and a ground game and sags out rather than quits.
Exactly. He's in so long as he's spending someone else's dollar. If the money dries up he'll bolt.
 

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In what ways do you feel that Trump represents the middle class better than Clinton?

He, in my opinion, represents the lowest form of American culture and attitude... the 'lower class', as it were.

OK, allow me to rephrase. In what ways do you feel that the middle class would benefit from a Trump presidency over a Clinton presidency?
 

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He, in my opinion, represents the lowest form of American culture and attitude... the 'lower class', as it were.

OK, allow me to rephrase. In what ways do you feel that the middle class would benefit from a Trump presidency over a Clinton presidency?

He says he wants fair trade with China instead of TPP. With his strong business background it is a good possiblility he may be successful. I agree with him that past presidents have been chumps. And so do the people of this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMlmjXtnIXI&feature=share

Perhaps it is true that Trump has swindled individual people who are middle class. But when I say he is for the middle class, what that means is the middle class taken together. Favorable policy decisions vs bad policy decisions for the middle class. What the middle class desperately needs now are the same premium jobs back that Clinton's NAFTA blew away. Right now China is dumping steel with unfair trading and Trump will fix that.

Trump is not going let the banksters run over the middle class any longer either. Clinton OTOH has to cooperate with them because she is whoring with them. And the banksters run away behavior adds up to be the single most important issue to middle class prosperity (or lack of) that there is.
 
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