One More Reason to not go to Walmart

[coloradoatheist]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Thanks for the good laugh. I haven't seen many stores where I thought I couldn't get away with shoplifting because there was a few extra people and most stores don't even have the extra people. The benefit that Neiman Marcus has is fewer customers so if if they do need to find an area that was shoplifted from it's easier to find the exact person. But I think the difference is that Wal-Mart looks for and prosecutes shoplifters at higher rates than most stores. Sam Walton believed anybody caught shoplifting should be punished by the law.

But it's interesting because punishing people for breaking the law is a job for police officers.

Anywhere in there did you say that a thief would rather steal a something worth $30 and not something worth $3000? If not, what's your point? that Wally World again ignores security concerns in deciding humongous to build their store? If do then I agree and that store size is too was mentioned in the OP's article.

NM also has the benefit that the people that would shoplift aren't their customers, so it's much easier for them to spot someone in the store that shouldn't be there. Also what percentage of blacks say they have been profiled in stores? Are you now saying that's okay if it cuts down crime?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Why?

because I said so.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Thanks for the good laugh. I haven't seen many stores where I thought I couldn't get away with shoplifting because there was a few extra people and most stores don't even have the extra people. The benefit that Neiman Marcus has is fewer customers so if if they do need to find an area that was shoplifted from it's easier to find the exact person. But I think the difference is that Wal-Mart looks for and prosecutes shoplifters at higher rates than most stores. Sam Walton believed anybody caught shoplifting should be punished by the law.

But it's interesting because punishing people for breaking the law is a job for police officers.

Anywhere in there did you say that a thief would rather steal a something worth $30 and not something worth $3000? If not, what's your point? that Wally World again ignores security concerns in deciding humongous to build their store? If do then I agree and that store size is too was mentioned in the OP's article.

NM also has the benefit that the people that would shoplift aren't their customers,

And you know this how? or do you suppose that the affluent don't shoplift? OR that a person going to shoplift at a high end store comes in said store looking like they fell into a Goodwill box and that just how they looked when they climbed out?

so it's much easier for them to spot someone in the store that shouldn't be there.

Proof?

Also what percentage of blacks say they have been profiled in stores?

And you are asking this because ...?

Are you now saying that's okay if it cuts down crime?

No, you are saying that. And for what reason, I do not know.

 

[coloradoatheist]

And you know this how? or do you suppose that the affluent don't shoplift? OR that a person going to shoplift at a high end store comes in said store looking like they fell into a Goodwill box and that just how they looked when they climbed out?

Yes. The people shopping at Neiman Marcus have much more to lose for getting caught over the simple crime of shoplifting. It doesn't mean they don't, but in much smaller numbers. And yes, profiling shoppers is very much something that guards and store employees will do. It's the argument of the article that having more people watching, helps.

so it's much easier for them to spot someone in the store that shouldn't be there. Proof?

Are you agreeing with the OP that more people watching in a store helps prevent crime?

And you are asking this because ...?

I'm asking because the argument is that more people watching leads to less crime. And one of the things employees and guard will do is profile to catch people. So do the ends justify the means?

No, you are saying that. And for what reason, I do not know.

I'm exploring the tradeoffs.

 

[JonA]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Why?

because I said so.

That's a poor reason to be sure of anything. Though it is a common attitude among the authoritarian-minded.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

NM also has the benefit that the people that would shoplift aren't their customers,

And you know this how? or do you suppose that the affluent don't shoplift? OR that a person going to shoplift at a high end store comes in said store looking like they fell into a Goodwill box and that just how they looked when they climbed out?

Yes. The people shopping at Neiman Marcus have much more to lose for getting caught over the simple crime of shoplifting.

Not necessarily. Rich kids get caught stealing all the time, their parents get called, not the police.

It doesn't mean they don't, but in much smaller numbers. And yes, profiling shoppers is very much something that guards and store employees will do. It's the argument of the article that having more people watching, helps.

So you are retracting your statement that people who shoplift are not NM customers and now saying that some shoplifters ARE NM customers just not a lot of them. And BTW, profiling based on behavior is NOT the problem, profiling based race is the problem. Of course you watch someone who comes into your store in the middle August wearing a bit heavy coat, sunglasses and a hat pulled down low over his face.

so it's much easier for them to spot someone in the store that shouldn't be there. Proof?

Are you agreeing with the OP that more people watching in a store helps prevent crime?

See Above.

And you are asking this because ...?

I'm asking because the argument is that more people watching leads to less crime. And one of the things employees and guard will do is profile to catch people. So do the ends justify the means?

Again, here is what you asked

Also what percentage of blacks say they have been profiled in stores?​

How does

I'm asking because the argument is that more people watching leads to less crime. And one of the things employees and guard will do is profile to catch people. So do the ends justify the means?​

answer why you asked not about people but about what percentage of BLACK people say they have been profiled in stores?

Also what percentage of blacks say they have been profiled in stores? Are you now saying that's okay if it cuts down crime?

No, you are saying that. And for what reason, I do not know.

I'm exploring the tradeoffs.

Oh, it that what you call it.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Why?

because I said so.

That's a poor reason to be sure of anything. Though it is a common attitude among the authoritarian-minded.

Look you want to discuss something, do some research and bring something to the table. You want to act like brat, you get treated like a brat.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Or maybe they need to actually punish shoplifters when they catch them.

With what Loren? The Rack? The Iron Maiden? Prolonged forced listening to Teen Pop Music?

Well, in California the penalty is generally nothing at all beyond having a criminal record--thus it's totally not a deterrent to those who already have a rap sheet.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes. The people shopping at Neiman Marcus have much more to lose for getting caught over the simple crime of shoplifting. It doesn't mean they don't, but in much smaller numbers. And yes, profiling shoppers is very much something that guards and store employees will do. It's the argument of the article that having more people watching, helps.

Yeah. A legitimate Nieman Marcus shopper will be too well-dressed to likely be a shoplifter. That means most of the shoplifters will be obvious to security, they can be watched.

A legitimate Wal-Mart shopper looks about the same as a shoplifter. This makes it much harder on security.

 

[Elixir]

A legitimate Wal-Mart shopper looks about the same as a shoplifter. This makes it much harder on security.

So, the smart shoplifter goes to WalMart for some high-end-looking china-made knockoff designerwear. It will only last a few days before falling apart, but that's plenty of time to put it on, get on over to Nieman Marcus and pick up some REAL designer shit.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

With what Loren? The Rack? The Iron Maiden? Prolonged forced listening to Teen Pop Music?

Well, in California the penalty is generally nothing at all beyond having a criminal record--thus it's totally not a deterrent to those who already have a rap sheet.

So you tell me that a state has no punishment when I asked YOU LOREN with what YOU LOREN wanted to punish shoplifters

Oy Vey

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Yes. The people shopping at Neiman Marcus have much more to lose for getting caught over the simple crime of shoplifting. It doesn't mean they don't, but in much smaller numbers. And yes, profiling shoppers is very much something that guards and store employees will do. It's the argument of the article that having more people watching, helps.

Yeah. A legitimate Nieman Marcus shopper will be too well-dressed to likely be a shoplifter. That means most of the shoplifters will be obvious to security, they can be watched.

A legitimate Wal-Mart shopper looks about the same as a shoplifter. This makes it much harder on security.

Because a crook can't put on a suit and a millionaire would never be caught out in jeans and a tee shirt?

Are you two for real????

 

[Trausti]

 Crime_opportunity_theory

 

[JonA]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Why?

because I said so.

That's a poor reason to be sure of anything. Though it is a common attitude among the authoritarian-minded.

Look you want to discuss something, do some research and bring something to the table. You want to act like brat, you get treated like a brat.

Lol. Too funny.

Have you already forgotten how this discussion started?

 

[Trausti]

Is there a limit on how many times a quote will be quoted within a quote? It's like a fractal now.

 

[barbos]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Why?

because I said so.

That's a poor reason to be sure of anything. Though it is a common attitude among the authoritarian-minded.

Look you want to discuss something, do some research and bring something to the table. You want to act like brat, you get treated like a brat.

Lol. Too funny.

Have you already forgotten how this discussion started?

we need to determine that experimentally. please quote my post.

 

[JonA]

Good
Then you already know that

Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

These things have been mentioned already in the thread as well, and I am sure you also read those too, correct?

I don't see how any of this is related to my question, which was directed at the members of this forum and not the authors of the article who aren't here to discuss or defend their position.

This is a problem with all threads where the person who wrote a paper, article or thesis is not able to comment. Maybe write to the author to join the discussion.

Better to just improve one's reading comprehension and reasoning skills.

True, reading what is actually there f clearly written will reduce the need to assume. One thing seems likely and that is shoplifters like to go to Walmart.

No, shoplifters LIKE going to Needless Markup, I mean, Neiman-Marcus but NM is serious about store security too so they windup at Wally World. Damn, Walmart really is the store of last resort.

Are you sure of this?

yes.

Why?

because I said so.

That's a poor reason to be sure of anything. Though it is a common attitude among the authoritarian-minded.

Look you want to discuss something, do some research and bring something to the table. You want to act like brat, you get treated like a brat.

Lol. Too funny.

Have you already forgotten how this discussion started?

we need to determine that experimentally. please quote my post.

Why? You aren't AA.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Well, in California the penalty is generally nothing at all beyond having a criminal record--thus it's totally not a deterrent to those who already have a rap sheet.

So you tell me that a state has no punishment when I asked YOU LOREN with what YOU LOREN wanted to punish shoplifters

Oy Vey

You came up with some unreasonable answers which would imply you think the current punishment is adequate. I pointed out the status quo in California is zero punishment--you don't have to have unreasonable punishment to have some punishment.

Or do we conclude you think zero punishment for petty theft is fine--should everyone feel free to steal your stuff?

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Is there a limit on how many times a quote will be quoted within a quote? It's like a fractal now.

The one above your post is nested 4 levels beyond the point of being reduced to a single character of text for me.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So you tell me that a state has no punishment when I asked YOU LOREN with what YOU LOREN wanted to punish shoplifters

Oy Vey

You came up with some unreasonable answers which would imply you think the current punishment is adequate.

I didn't come up with answers. I asked you a question which you once again refuse to answer.

I pointed out the status quo in California is zero punishment--you don't have to have unreasonable punishment to have some punishment.

Still not an answer.

Or do we conclude you think zero punishment for petty theft is fine--should everyone feel free to steal your stuff?

Have I said that anywhere, anytime, or on any incarnation of this board?

I know you hate staying on point because you don't like to have to defend the things you say because more often than not those things are indefendsible. I understand Loren. So, gonna answer the question now? Or go off another tangent?

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Is there a limit on how many times a quote will be quoted within a quote? It's like a fractal now.

The one above your post is nested 4 levels beyond the point of being reduced to a single character of text for me.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I finally went to a Walmart for the first time in my life. They've had one here in my city for a few years now but I never bothered to go before. It wasn't the dystopia that I imagined it to be based on reading these sorts of threads. It just looked like a gigantic dollar store filled with attractive clerks (both male and female) and shoppers dressed in odd outfits. Apparently peopleofwalmart.com is reflective of reality, but the rest maybe not so much.