Do we have any Trump supporters here?

[Ford]

For a political shill for Putin, you are very very funny You, who claims in all seriousness that HRC is directly responsible for the deaths of people (backed up by a photoshopped meme ) but you object to those same standards applied to Putin.

Would anyone like a hot, steaming cup of polonium?

Say what you will about Trump, this is one area in which he does not try to emulate his favorite Russian.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Western propaganda!

What's this infatuation with the idea that only the West produces propaganda? And why is it that we can't criticize non-Western leaders too?

 

[arkirk]

Western propaganda!

What's this infatuation with the idea that only the West produces propaganda? And why is it that we can't criticize non-Western leaders too?

There is a reason for this. It was the West that invaded and dominated the remainder of the globe for about 500 years. Western businessmen who borrowed money to outfit their plunder operations needed to carry off a lot of loot because the money they borrowed had to be paid back with interest. What we have been seeing is parts of various empires (all western dominated) seem to be losing traction in the world.. That good old Western propaganda is necessary to keepp the public opinion open enough to empire to continue to fund it. The latest forms of wealth world wide are oil and water and people just get in the way if that is all you are looking for. We do not have ANY altruistic programs abroad that are anything but a sham and an excuse to steal natural resources and find ways to not accomodate those people. Good of Western Propaganda. The Russians and the Chinese of course are doing their own version. Actually because propaganda is part of the structure of the capitalist world market, all countries are doing it. The key is ONLY THE U.S. has the military might to strike when people get too unruly or maybe unprofitable.

 

[RavenSky]

You selectively *object to lack of evidence* when it suits you to do so. For instance, you need to provide factual evidence that Hillary Clinton killed anyone.

No I object because you seldom supply evidence and often makes silly claims, and I think a rational discussion forum deserves better.
I would appreciate it if you stopped doing that.

You object because I called you on your hypocrisy, and you now appear to be talking to yourself in the mirror.

Either back up your claim that H. Clinton caused the deaths of anyone, or stop making it.

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Would anyone like a hot, steaming cup of polonium?

Say what you will about Trump, this is one area in which he does not try to emulate his favorite Russian.

yet

 

[Will Wiley]

No I object because you seldom supply evidence and often makes silly claims, and I think a rational discussion forum deserves better.
I would appreciate it if you stopped doing that.

You object because I called you on your hypocrisy, and you now appear to be talking to yourself in the mirror.

Either back up your claim that H. Clinton caused the deaths of anyone, or stop making it.

AS usual you can't have the decency to quote me. I said they were at her feet. She has supported every war that the US has instigated whenever she could, most recently as Secretary of State. She is a despicable warmonger who shares the blame.

As as having a problem providing evidence you like to paraphrase and misquote rather than do the decent thing and use the quote function.

I had hoped someone who 17,000 posts here might have figured out how to use the quote function.

 

[RavenSky]

You object because I called you on your hypocrisy, and you now appear to be talking to yourself in the mirror.

Either back up your claim that H. Clinton caused the deaths of anyone, or stop making it.

AS usual you can't have the decency to quote me. I said they were at her feet. She has supported every war that the US has instigated whenever she could, most recently as Secretary of State. She is a despicable warmonger who shares the blame.

Then the exact same can be said of Putin (with just as much evidence as you have provided). Putin has supported every war that the Russia has instigated whenever he could, most recently as President. He is a despicable warmonger who shares the blame.

Eritrean War of Independence (1974–1991)
Ethio-Somali War (1977–1978)
Soviet-Afghan War (1979–1989)
War in Abkhazia (1991-1993)
War of Transnistria (1992)
East Prigorodny Conflict (1992)
Civil War in Tajikistan (1992–1997)
Georgian Civil War (1991–1993)
First Chechen War (1994–1996)
War of Dagestan (1999)
Second Chechen War (1999–2009)
Russo-Georgian War (2008)
North Caucasus Insurgency (2009–)
Annexation of Crimea (2014)
War in Donbass (2014–)
Intervention in Syria (2015–)

 

[laughing dog]

Will Wiley,

It's rare that I agree with Ravensky, but she is 100 percent spot on.

She would be 100% spot on on a religious forum, where things are taken on "faith", but here we require evidence.

Coming from someone who seems to swallow Russian propaganda hook, line and sinker, that is outrageously ironic.

 

[jonatha]

She would be 100% spot on on a religious forum, where things are taken on "faith", but here we require evidence.

Coming from someone who seems to be paid to regurgitate swallow Russian propaganda hook, line and sinker, that is outrageously ironic.

FTFY

 

[ZiprHead]

You selectively *object to lack of evidence* when it suits you to do so. For instance, you need to provide factual evidence that Hillary Clinton killed anyone.

No I object because you seldom supply evidence and often makes silly claims, and I think a rational discussion forum deserves better.
I would appreciate it if you stopped doing that.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Did Hillary agree to Bush's shock and awe mission?

 

[untermensche]

Did Hillary agree to Bush's shock and awe mission?

There was no mission when Hillary voted to allow Bush to use force.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Did Hillary agree to Bush's shock and awe mission?

There was no mission when Hillary voted to allow Bush to use force.

So, it's indirect but still there.

 

[untermensche]

There was no mission when Hillary voted to allow Bush to use force.

So, it's indirect but still there.

If you merely give somebody the authority to do something it does not mean you support everything they do with that authority.

Are you also claiming Hillary supported all the torture to completely innocent people that went on?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So, it's indirect but still there.

If you merely give somebody the authority to do something it does not mean you support everything they do with that authority.

Are you also claiming Hillary supported all the torture to completely innocent people that went on?

No, that would be illegal. No, she gave legal authorization for Bush to declare war. Not to override the Geneva Conventions.

 

[untermensche]

If you merely give somebody the authority to do something it does not mean you support everything they do with that authority.

Are you also claiming Hillary supported all the torture to completely innocent people that went on?

No, that would be illegal. No, she gave legal authorization for Bush to declare war. Not to override the Geneva Conventions.

The invasion was a violation of International law and the UN Charter. Can countries legally attack the US based on nothing but fears?

It too was illegal.

But there was no power that could enforce the law.

That's not an argument.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

No, that would be illegal. No, she gave legal authorization for Bush to declare war. Not to override the Geneva Conventions.

The invasion was a violation of International law and the UN Charter. Can countries legally attack the US based on nothing but fears?

It too was illegal.

But there was no power that could enforce the law.

That's not an argument.

But she voted for it.

 

[untermensche]

The invasion was a violation of International law and the UN Charter. Can countries legally attack the US based on nothing but fears?

It too was illegal.

But there was no power that could enforce the law.

That's not an argument.

But she voted for it.

There was no vote for it.

There was a vote to allow Bush to use force.

The use of force was therefore totally the decision of Bush.

IMO it was cowardly on Hillary's part, not criminal.

But what has Trump done to people that he had power over?

What did he do to people at so-called Trump university?

He has always been a man with petty power and has harmed others when able and bragged about.

Not a person I want to see with real power.

 

[Elixir]

Has anyone admitted to being a Trump supporter?
I see Hillary-bashers (I could be one of them, FWIW) but nobody willing to own being a Trump supporter. Did I miss it?

 

[Ford]

The invasion was a violation of International law and the UN Charter. Can countries legally attack the US based on nothing but fears?

It too was illegal.

But there was no power that could enforce the law.

That's not an argument.

But she voted for it.

Yes, she did. As did 76 other Senators and 297 Representatives. So pinning the blame on her for the Iraq War is a bit off base. And while she (and all those other folks) voted in favor, she was not involved in the conduct of the war. That was all Executive Branch. Bush ordered the invasion, and his administration handled (or rather, failed utterly to handle) the subsequent occupation.

 

[blastula]

I'm not an American, so I'm more concerned about the wars America starts than you probably are. Trump is an unknown but everything he has said indicates that he understands the simple fact that you guys have wasted something like $6 trillion dollars on two wars you couldn't win and have made enemies all over the globe and pissed of many of your allies.

Even for a non-American, you are clueless about what Trump has said.