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I know the story of Muhammed, but I don't know how so many people got roped into the weird and twisted beliefs of Islam.
Not singling out Islam for any reason, except that its genesis is not clear to me. I know the story of Jesus too, but I also have an inkling about how people got infected with the weird and twisted beliefs of Christianity. I know the story of how Constantine changed Christianity from a punishable offense to something in which participation was semi-mandatory within the Roman Empire.
Does Islam have a similar figure - someone who decided to turn a deceased person into a god/demigod around which he could force people to rally?
 
For the most authoritative story on Islam, Ibn Ishaq's "Life of Mohamad" written a century after Mohamed is the most authoritative source we have of how Islam became established.

Mohamed became a successful warlord, whose success was taken by many as approval from Allah. A long bitter war between Persia and Byzantium had left large parts of the Middle East devastated and left an opening form the Moslems to successful take over large parts of the Middle East.

Under the first caliph, Abu Bakr, he collected the Quran into written form, help spread Islam widely. Islam was spread by conquest.
 
I know the story of Muhammed, but I don't know how so many people got roped into the weird and twisted beliefs of Islam.
Not singling out Islam for any reason, except that its genesis is not clear to me. I know the story of Jesus too, but I also have an inkling about how people got infected with the weird and twisted beliefs of Christianity. I know the story of how Constantine changed Christianity from a punishable offense to something in which participation was semi-mandatory within the Roman Empire.
Does Islam have a similar figure - someone who decided to turn a deceased person into a god/demigod around which he could force people to rally?
islam changed after prophet muhammed died, islam came as inclusive religion not against other religions
 
I know the story of Muhammed, but I don't know how so many people got roped into the weird and twisted beliefs of Islam.
Not singling out Islam for any reason, except that its genesis is not clear to me. I know the story of Jesus too, but I also have an inkling about how people got infected with the weird and twisted beliefs of Christianity. I know the story of how Constantine changed Christianity from a punishable offense to something in which participation was semi-mandatory within the Roman Empire.
Does Islam have a similar figure - someone who decided to turn a deceased person into a god/demigod around which he could force people to rally?
islam changed after prophet muhammed died, islam came as inclusive religion not against other religions

Inclusion by force isn't really inclusion. The people that muslims torture into "converting" are not really muslims, nor are they "included".
 
islam changed after prophet muhammed died, islam came as inclusive religion not against other religions

Inclusion by force isn't really inclusion. The people that muslims torture into "converting" are not really muslims, nor are they "included".

you misunderstood me

i mean to say all religions are acceptable to god

muslims who torture to convert they will go to hell
 
islam changed after prophet muhammed died, islam came as inclusive religion not against other religions

Inclusion by force isn't really inclusion. The people that muslims torture into "converting" are not really muslims, nor are they "included".


Actually, bad behavior among Christian rulers over the preceding centuries left so many tired of Christianity, they were relieved to have the comparatively mild Islamic rule instead.

There was little "Islamic" torture involved really.
 
That's not what I read in the Quran. I see the very opposite.
for example?


A small sample taken from about 61% of the Quran:

“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.” –Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy


“He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.” Quran 3:85


“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29

“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56

“Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.” Quran 9:28

“The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6
 
I know the story of Muhammed, but I don't know how so many people got roped into the weird and twisted beliefs of Islam.
Not singling out Islam for any reason, except that its genesis is not clear to me. I know the story of Jesus too, but I also have an inkling about how people got infected with the weird and twisted beliefs of Christianity. I know the story of how Constantine changed Christianity from a punishable offense to something in which participation was semi-mandatory within the Roman Empire.
Does Islam have a similar figure - someone who decided to turn a deceased person into a god/demigod around which he could force people to rally?

You'll need to enumerate "the weird and twisted beliefs" of Islam, if we are to have any meaningful discussion. Otherwise, all we have is a communal straw man.
 
for example?


A small sample taken from about 61% of the Quran:

“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.” –Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy


“He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.” Quran 3:85


“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29

“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56

“Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.” Quran 9:28

“The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6

your quran translation from anti muslims website so i rejected


Yusuf Ali Quran 48:29
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.'''




unbelievers are atheists NOT christians, jews and pagans

time of prophet atheist were very vicious enemies of the prophet so god said to fight back with atheists ( like i do ) lol

quran
Verse (2:62) - English Translation Yusuf Ali: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

i will explain other 4 verse you posted above
 
Who created Islamism?

Islamism
is Political Islam, which emerged during the decline and fall of the Ottoman Empire and gained power after Arab nationalism failed to deliver prosperity.

I know the story of Muhammed, but I don't know how so many people got roped into the weird and twisted beliefs of Islam.
Not singling out Islam for any reason, except that its genesis is not clear to me. I know the story of Jesus too, but I also have an inkling about how people got infected with the weird and twisted beliefs of Christianity. I know the story of how Constantine changed Christianity from a punishable offense to something in which participation was semi-mandatory within the Roman Empire.
Does Islam have a similar figure - someone who decided to turn a deceased person into a god/demigod around which he could force people to rally?

Unlike the story of Jesus, Muhammad amassed a huge number of followers; he was a successful religious, political and military leader. There was never any need for someone to reinvent Muhammad as a divine figure as people rallied around him in his own lifetime.
 
There were almost no atheists in Mohamed's day. Islam started on a path of military conquest with him. Islam has never been a "religion of peace". From the invasion of Spain onwards, Islam was an invasive religion always on the attack, in Spain, France, Italy, India, and elsewhere, all the way to the final attack on Vienna in 1683. Islam has been making attacks on peaceful nations that never attacked Islam in any way. The reason Islam stopped that was because Islamic nations became military weak and incapable of continuing on in that manner. Even in Bangladesh, Pakistan showed itself not a nation of peace when it killed 3 million people in what is now Bangladesh, and India had to militarily step in to stop the slaughter.
 
There were almost no atheists in Mohamed's day. Islam started on a path of military conquest with him. Islam has never been a "religion of peace". From the invasion of Spain onwards, Islam was an invasive religion always on the attack, in Spain, France, Italy, India, and elsewhere, all the way to the final attack on Vienna in 1683. Islam has been making attacks on peaceful nations that never attacked Islam in any way. The reason Islam stopped that was because Islamic nations became military weak and incapable of continuing on in that manner. Even in Bangladesh, Pakistan showed itself not a nation of peace when it killed 3 million people in what is now Bangladesh, and India had to militarily step in to stop the slaughter.

Now you're starting to stretch the historical evidence too far. The expansionism ebbed and flowed over the centuries - it was not some non-stop assault on anyone and everyone around all Muslim societies. And it's not that remarkable when compared to Christianity's track record of expansion, which is arguably a lot worse. It was driven overwhelmingly by self-interest and circumstance, like most expansionism. Far more complicated than simple religious bloodlust. And Islam spread in many places totally absent military invasion.
 
To the OP: it's unclear what you're asking about. "Islamism" as understood in the present day? bigfield addressed that. But the broader concept of mixing religion and state goes back much further, and there's no one common thread to point to that explains all iterations of the concept in the world.

To syed: just stop. Whatever you think you're accomplishing by participating in these threads, it's not working.
 
Your reply appears to have no relationship to what I said. I made no mention of a Holy Book.
lol

That's not what I read in the Quran. I see the very opposite.

Lol? Where do you see me make mention of a 'Holy Book?'

The quote you use does not support your 'lol'

Have you been drinking, Syed?

I'm talking about the Quran but I don't rate the Quran as being a 'Holy Book' Nor the bible, nor any other works that come under that heading (no discrimination shown).

That definition belongs to believers in relation to their favourite fantasy.

Nor did you actually address the intolerance found in the Quran (which is a long way from being a 'holy book')
 
A small sample taken from about 61% of the Quran:

“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.” –Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy


“He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.” Quran 3:85


“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29

“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56

“Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.” Quran 9:28

“The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6

your quran translation from anti muslims website so i rejected


Yusuf Ali Quran 48:29
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.'''




unbelievers are atheists NOT christians, jews and pagans

time of prophet atheist were very vicious enemies of the prophet so god said to fight back with atheists ( like i do ) lol

quran
Verse (2:62) - English Translation Yusuf Ali: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

i will explain other 4 verse you posted above


You have explained nothing.

''Kaffir is an Arabic term for a nonbeliever or “infidel.” Kuffar is the plural, “infidels”:

Also spelled ‘kafir’ or ‘kaffir’, Kuffar is a highly derogatory Arabic term used to refer to non-Muslims, though it is usually directed less against “People of the Book” (Christians and Jews) and more against others (Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, etc).


Separate laws govern Muslims and kuffars in an Islamic state with kuffars being viciously suppressed. For example: the blood payment to the family of a murdered Muslim man in Saudi Arabia is 1,000,000 Riyals; the payment to the family of a murdered Hindu woman is 3,333 Riyals.

“Against kuffars make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war to strike terror into the (hearts of) the Enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside, whom you may not know, but whom Allah does know. Whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah, shall be repaid to you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.” (Qur’an: 8:60)


“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.”

–Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy


Let's have a closer look at what the Quran says about the infidels, those who do not share the faith of Mohammad....which includes atheists:-


Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)

Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)

When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)

Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)

Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)

The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)

Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)

The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)

Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)

Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)

The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)

Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)

Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)

Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

''The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an.''


time of prophet atheist were very vicious enemies of the prophet so god said to fight back with atheists ( like i do ) lol'

It's not that simple. Mohammad wanted to establish his own religion and was willing to go on Jihad to achieve that goal. The viciousness of that campaign is reflected in the Quran, which are not reflections of a god of love and tender mercy.
 
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