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March for women. A message from Conservatives

Speakers were saying that in couple of the clips (didn't accept the election results). Me, I'm just the postman in this case (perhaps a bit more than that).:)
Given your long history of very selective reporting on various topics, what you claim to have heard "speakers... saying... in [a] couple of the clips" means absolutely nothing.

I was AT the Miami march, and have several friends that were at the DC march, another friend at the St. Pete march, another one at the Sarasota march, another one at the London march, another one at the Seattle march, two family members at the Connecticut march - and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. So I can say with pretty damned good authority that your claim is rubbish. :shrug:


What is interesting is that I voted for Trump yet was also in perfect agreement to everything that was said during the protest. Also interesting to me is that this was a WORLD wide protest which seemed to be in response to Trump becoming an American POTUS.

I would think this protest will send a powerful message to Trump and the right wingers. I hope so.

We will see.

I thought the message is they can't accept Trump won the election.

You obviously thought wrong. Are you going to take the word of a Trump voter, or will you try to gaslight him, too?
 
OK, humane principles are crap in your mind.

For fuck's sake, give it a rest. This is piss poor.

For fuck's sake, say something besides "I DON'T LIKE."

Why? Why is it piss poor? Can you spit out an argument? So far, it just looks like monkey poop being thrown at people who make you uncomfortable when they assert humane values and expose ignorant, black and white, inhumane policies and attitudes for what they are.
 
For fuck's sake, say something besides "I DON'T LIKE."

It's not because I don't like it. It's because I didn't fucking say it. So give it a rest.

Look, I'm just saying you haven't explained what's even bugging you. Stop throwing poop and let's talk about it. We talk freely about our thoughts here at talk free thought.

Now take a deep breath and tell us what's bullshit about humane values.

edit: You also have yet to explain why Madonna is relevant.
 
I can work if I want.

This tells me that she probably is supported by her husband and never really had to work a day in her life. What a snowflake.
 
Given your long history of very selective reporting on various topics, what you claim to have heard "speakers... saying... in [a] couple of the clips" means absolutely nothing.

I was AT the Miami march, and have several friends that were at the DC march, another friend at the St. Pete march, another one at the Sarasota march, another one at the London march, another one at the Seattle march, two family members at the Connecticut march - and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. So I can say with pretty damned good authority that your claim is rubbish. :shrug:


What is interesting is that I voted for Trump yet was also in perfect agreement to everything that was said during the protest. Also interesting to me is that this was a WORLD wide protest which seemed to be in response to Trump becoming an American POTUS.

I would think this protest will send a powerful message to Trump and the right wingers. I hope so.

We will see.

I thought the message is they can't accept Trump won the election.

You obviously thought wrong. Are you going to take the word of a Trump voter, or will you try to gaslight him, too?

Information is restricted and a reported on what I saw. The information is anti Trump speakers but we can forget this for the moment.
What we all know is there was an election. Trump won the most state seats in a close vote with Clinton gaining more votes. The votes were based on a state by state basis and went against Clinton. This is the US system.
The groups involved have been campaigning for various issues for a number of years. They organised post election demonstrations against Trump for various reasons. Of course they are entitled to do so.
What were the reasons given for the demonstrations if mine are wrong and what evidence suggests this?
 
Something a friend posted today: I found a lot of truth in this, for me...
"I am not a "disgrace to women" because I don't support the women's march. I do not feel I am a "second class citizen" because I am a woman. I do not feel my voice is "not heard" because I am a woman. I do not feel I am not provided opportunities in this life or in America because I am a woman. I do not feel that I "don't have control of my body or choices" because I am a woman. I do not feel like I am " not respected or undermined" because I am a woman.
I AM a woman.

If you say so. I won't even ask for a genetics test or note from your childhood pediatrician before allowing you to use the same public bathroom I use.
I can make my own choices.

Of course you can! We all make choices every single day. Some of us have more choices than others. Some of us chose to comply with what our husbands and fathers tell us to do. Some of us chose to embrace the current power structure.

Some of us chose to work to extend the same choices and privileges we have always enjoyed to others. Some of us chose to work for equality and justice for all, not merely for those born into white suburban middle class.
I can speak and be heard.

Uh huh. But sweetie, you're kidding yourself if you believe that man of yours hears anything you have to say besides "Yes, dear" and "Dinner's on the table."

I can VOTE.

Good for you! Do you know why you can vote?

You can vote because millions of women before you did exactly what millions of women did on Saturday January 21, 2017: They took to the streets and marched. They protested, they spoke out. They demanded the right to vote. Men didn't just nicely decide that they'd throw the girls a bone and let them have the vote.

I can work if I want.

Well, good for you! So nice of your husband not to object. Do you still get to make dinner every night and see to the children and the laundry? Have you considered whether your hubby is being so nice to let you work because it will make it easier for him to leave you and take his money with him if he decides to trade you in for a newer model? Because it will. But it will also make your life easier if that happens. I truly hope it doesn't. I truly wish you continued happiness. I just also wish the same for other women, children and yes, men, who don't have the same choices available to them as you seem to believe that you have.

My mother and grandmothers and their mothers and grandmothers before them and theirs before them worked, too! Women have always worked! It's nice thought, I won't lie, to be able to have many more choices than my mother had about what sort of work to do. And to be fairly--and equally compensated for it (some of us--not all of us. Not yet.).



I control my body.

Please. No you don't. If you could control your body, you would not be aging right now, as I type this. You would be able to control whether and when to get pregnant and give birth with 100% certainty. Periods would not be uncomfortable or painful or messy. Pregnancy would not be uncomfortable, never life threatening or health threatening and would not involve swollen ankles or stretch marks, leaky bladders or sleepless nights. Childbirth would not involve 24 hrs. of labor, episiotomies, or emergency c-sections. You would not get cancer or diabetes or heart disease or Alzheimer's or any other dementia. Your waist would not thicken or your hips broaden, your hair would not gray or get thinner or coarser. Your ass would remain high and firm and so would your boobs. Without any surgery or filler or injections. You would not get any wrinkles or presbyopia. No widow's hump. No osteoarthritis or osteoporosis.

You can't control your body.

At best, you have access to safe, affordable, accessible and effective birth control (I assume that's what you are talking about, right?) and you don't have to ask your husband's permission to obtain birth control, or beg a doctor.

Do you know why you have that? Because millions of women did exactly what millions of women (world wide, btw, not just in Washington DC or in in the US but WORLDWIDE! Women were fucking protesting IN ANTARCTICA!!!! And Europe and Asia and in South America and in Africa! In Australia! (Thank you WORLD!) did on January 17, 2017:

They took to the streets! They protested! They stood up for themselves, for women, children and men, for the queer and trangendered, for ALL people EVERYWHERE.

Why weren't you there?
I can defend myself.

I can defend my family.

There have always been women warriors, defending themselves, defending those who could not defend themselves. Your interest seems to stop at yourself, your own needs and wants, though.

It's great that your hubby allows you, maybe even encourages you to take self defense classes. But more likely, firearms safety classes. That way you can defend his property --which includes you, btw--against invading black men and bad hombres while he's at the country club. Or cowering under the bed to paralyzed to dial 911.
There is nothing stopping me to do anything in this world but MYSELF.

Congratulations. Then you have zero excuse not to get out there and help those who could use a hand up, or a pat on the shoulder.

Quit thinking about only your self and your self-satisfied existence and go out there and do what the Bible commands that you do: help those who need your help. Because there's a whole world out there who isn't white, middle to upper middle class, or married to a white man with a good, upwardly mobile, stable income and position that commands respect from the world. Who work hard, struggle harder, but whose spouse or partner deserted them or just got terribly sick with some very expensive disease and lost their job and health care or died, leaving her alone to struggle with bills, work, kids, caring for the sick spouse and wondering how it all ended up that way. Don't tell me that doesn't happen. I know people that has happened to, women who work 2 or 3 part time jobs, none with any benefits, to try to keep up with the rent payments, utilities and keep food on the table without having to go to the food shelf. Who pray that their oldest is really old enough to watch the little ones after school when she's at work. Or on weekends and nights at the second and third jobs. Who are deeply, profoundly ashamed to be so grateful for the cut rate frozen turkey that one of her jobs offers at Christmas time, instead of a bonus.

That's not you? Good for you. Would it be you if your husband died? Got really sick with something prolonged, expensive? Lost his job? Lost his insurance? Lost his life?

Because if this truly could never happen to you, thank God for that, and then go out and help someone else. I don't care if it's not your week: go out and do it now. Do it again and again and again, because whether you are aware or not, millions of women before you have done just that so you can sit on your computer and whine about how independent you are in your nice suburban mini-mansion.

I do not blame my circumstances or problems on anything other than my own choices or even that sometimes in life, we don't always get what we want. I take responsibility for myself.

Nobody believes that. For one thing, you are complaining mightily about being distressed by the fact that millions--and there were millions!--of women were out there carrying their weight AND yours on January 21, 2017, and many, many marches, protests and actions before that. While you sit on your sweet white ass in front of a nice computer screen, safely ensconced in the mini mansion that YOU picked out, along along with your stuff from Ikea or Pottery Barn.

I am a mother, a daughter, a wife, a sister, a friend. I am not held back in life but only by the walls I choose to not go over which is a personal choice.

What walls are those that you choose not to climb over? Why are there walls for anyone? Why not give someone a boost over that wall that you are so loathe to venture to climb yourself? Jealous of their gumption? Of their nerve? Of the fact that they've found something they care about enough to work for. That they don't care who they make uncomfortable? Because trust me: I know exactly how much your little world depends on not making anyone, especially not your husband, uncomfortable.

Doesn't he need a(nother) drink about now? How could you be so neglectful!

Quit blaming.

You're the only one doing that, and frankly, what you are complaining about is that other people make you think too hard and make you a little bit uncomfortable for a minute or two. Oops: your wine glass is empty. Better have another.

Take responsibility.

You first. If YOU are uncomfortable by other's actions for justice, maybe you are the problem. Because what I see is millions of women (and their friends) taking responsibility for themselves, for their lives, for demanding justice for ALL of us, not just white men and their (current)wives and children.
If you want to speak, do so.

Nobody needs your permission and nobody asked for it. Quit deluding yourself.

But do not expect for me, a woman, to take you seriously wearing a pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men.


No. Stop. Stop it. You did not just write va-jay-jay. Honey, I know you think it's all cool and hip to say because that's what Oprah called it 20 years ago on network TV but no matter what you think, Oprah is not your friend. She's good at making you feel like she is, but honey, she's not.

What you really need to do right now is to learn the correct name for the various parts of your anatomy:

Vagina.
Pudendum
Labia major
Labia minor
Clitoris

Here's a link: https://www.anatomylibrary.us/anato...nal-female-genitalia-human-anatomy-diagram-2/

Now, right this minute, go lock yourself in that master bedroom of yours and get out a nice big mirror. Lay down on that king sized bed of yours, drop those panties, and look, really look at your self. Yes: down THERE. Identify all of the parts I listed. Use your laptop and that internet link to find the right structures since you seem so unfamiliar with your own anatomy that you cannot even tell that the women were wearing pink hats with cat ears on them, a play on Your Lord and Savior's description of how easy it is to grab women's pussies if you are a rich enough man.
If you have beliefs, and speak to me in a kind matter, I will listen

Clearly, the millions of women marching have very strong beliefs and clearly you have no interest in listening. Oh, you are pretending to be all offended because some have used crude language to express their beliefs, but frankly that's hipocrisy on your part. Your beloved Savior uses far worse language to describe women he doesn't like. Frequently. On video. Well documented. So don't pretend to be all shocked and prudish. You chose it. Live with it.

. But do not expect for me to change my beliefs to suit yours.

FFS, nobody cares what you believe. Nobody believes you even know what you believe since you aren't really interested in thinking very hard about much of anything except how aggrieved you are that someone challenges your pretty little suburban lifestyle. Because that ain't no life, lady.

Respect goes both ways.
You first.
How about you start by affording women who are actually willing to work for what they want and need, and for their rights and the rights of others a bit of respect. They're carrying your weight, too. And will keep doing so. At least you could do is actually....learn something. Even if it is only to correctly name your own body parts, your own genitalia.

If you want to impress me,

Nobody gives a shit about impressing you.

especially in regards to women, then speak on the real injustices and tragedies that affect women in foreign countries that do not have the opportunity or means to have their voices heard.
Saudi Arabia, women can't drive, no rights and must always be covered.
China and India, infanticide of baby girls.
Afghanistan, unequal education rights.
Democratic Republic of Congo, where rapes are brutal and women are left to die, or HIV infected and left to care for children alone.
Mali, where women can not escape the torture of genital mutilation.
Pakistan, in tribal areas where women are gang raped to pay for men's crime.
Guatemala, the impoverished female underclass of Guatemala faces domestic violence, rape and the second-highest rate of HIV/AIDS after sub-Saharan Africa. An epidemic of gruesome unsolved murders has left hundreds of women dead, some of their bodies left with hate messages.
And that's just a few examples.
So when women get together in AMERICA and whine they don't have equal rights and they're marching in their clean clothes after eating a hearty breakfast, I have to shake my head. If you want to protest, and as long as it's peaceful have at it; I will not be there."

I do not even know whether to laugh or to cry at this. I will just have to shake my head in wonder and disgust at such a self satisfied, uninformed, sanctimonious statement coming from someone who would break neither a nail nor sweat to come to the aid of a woman.

Maybe a cat. Maybe.
 
From a conservative friend on Facebook today

Something a friend posted today: I found a lot of truth in this, for me...
"I am not a "disgrace to women" because I don't support the women's march. I do not feel I am a "second class citizen" because I am a woman. I do not feel my voice is "not heard" because I am a woman. I do not feel I am not provided opportunities in this life or in America because I am a woman. I do not feel that I "don't have control of my body or choices" because I am a woman. I do not feel like I am " not respected or undermined" because I am a woman.
I AM a woman.
I can make my own choices.
I can speak and be heard.
I can VOTE.
I can work if I want.
I control my body.
I can defend myself.
I can defend my family.
There is nothing stopping me to do anything in this world but MYSELF.
I do not blame my circumstances or problems on anything other than my own choices or even that sometimes in life, we don't always get what we want. I take responsibility for myself.
I am a mother, a daughter, a wife, a sister, a friend. I am not held back in life but only by the walls I choose to not go over which is a personal choice.
Quit blaming.
Take responsibility.
If you want to speak, do so. But do not expect for me, a woman, to take you seriously wearing a pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men.
If you have beliefs, and speak to me in a kind matter, I will listen. But do not expect for me to change my beliefs to suit yours. Respect goes both ways.
If you want to impress me, especially in regards to women, then speak on the real injustices and tragedies that affect women in foreign countries that do not have the opportunity or means to have their voices heard.
Saudi Arabia, women can't drive, no rights and must always be covered.
China and India, infanticide of baby girls.
Afghanistan, unequal education rights.
Democratic Republic of Congo, where rapes are brutal and women are left to die, or HIV infected and left to care for children alone.
Mali, where women can not escape the torture of genital mutilation.
Pakistan, in tribal areas where women are gang raped to pay for men's crime.
Guatemala, the impoverished female underclass of Guatemala faces domestic violence, rape and the second-highest rate of HIV/AIDS after sub-Saharan Africa. An epidemic of gruesome unsolved murders has left hundreds of women dead, some of their bodies left with hate messages.
And that's just a few examples.
So when women get together in AMERICA and whine they don't have equal rights and they're marching in their clean clothes after eating a hearty breakfast, I have to shake my head. If you want to protest, and as long as it's peaceful have at it; I will not be there."

Thoughts?

SLD
Women don't want to lose what they have achieved in the last 50 years. Is that too hard to understand?
 
Information is restricted and a reported on what I saw. The information is anti Trump speakers but we can forget this for the moment.
So you claim without evidence. As I said, with your history of getting it wrong about American politics, I advise that no one takes your word for it. :rolleyes:

What we all know is there was an election. Trump won the most state seats in a close vote with Clinton gaining more votes. The votes were based on a state by state basis and went against Clinton. This is the US system.
The groups involved have been campaigning for various issues for a number of years. They organised post election demonstrations against Trump for various reasons. Of course they are entitled to do so.
What were the reasons given for the demonstrations if mine are wrong and what evidence suggests this?

If only there was a source one could go to find this information...

:thinking:

:consternation1:

:thinking:

:consternation1:

:thinking:

:consternation1:

Oh wait! There is!

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.

In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Women’s March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.

We support the advocacy and resistance movements that reflect our multiple and intersecting identities. We call on all defenders of human rights to join us. This march is the first step towards unifying our communities, grounded in new relationships, to create change from the grassroots level up. We will not rest until women have parity and equity at all levels of leadership in society. We work peacefully while recognizing there is no true peace without justice and equity for all.

HEAR OUR VOICE.

GUIDING PRINCIPLES

Women’s rights are human rights, regardless of a woman’s race, ethnicity, religion, immigration status, sexual identity, gender expression, economic status, age or disability. We practice empathy with the intent to learn about the intersecting identities of each other. We will suspend our first judgement and do our best to lead without ego. We follow the principles of Kingian nonviolence, which are defined as follows:

Principle 1: Nonviolence is a way of life for courageous people. It is a positive force confronting the forces of injustice and utilizes the righteous indignation and spiritual, emotional, and intellectual capabilities of people as the vital force for change and reconciliation.

Principle 2: The Beloved Community is the framework for the future. The nonviolent concept is an overall effort to achieve a reconciled world by raising the level of relationships among people to a height where justice prevails and persons attain their full human potential.

Principle 3: Attack forces of evil, not persons doing evil. The nonviolent approach helps one analyze the fundamental conditions, policies and practices of the conflict rather than reacting to one’s opponents or their personalities.

Principle 4: Accept suffering without retaliation for the sake of the cause to achieve our goal. Self-chosen suffering is redemptive and helps the movement grow in a spiritual as well as a humanitarian dimension. The moral authority of voluntary suffering for a goal communicates the concern to one’s own friends and community as well as to the opponent.

Principle 5: Avoid internal violence of the spirit as well as external physical violence. The nonviolent attitude permeates all aspects of the campaign. It provides a mirror type reflection of the reality of the condition to one’s opponent and the community at large. Specific activities must be designed to maintain a high level of spirit and morale during a nonviolent campaign.

UNITY PRINCIPLES

We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. We must create a society in which women - including Black women, Native women, poor women, immigrant women, disabled women, Muslim women, lesbian queer and trans women - are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments.

ENDING VIOLENCE

Women deserve to live full and healthy lives, free of all forms of violence against our bodies. We believe in accountability and justice in cases of police brutality and ending racial profiling and targeting of communities of color. It is our moral imperative to dismantle the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system.

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS

We believe in Reproductive Freedom. We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education.

LGBTQIA RIGHTS

We firmly declare that LGBTQIA Rights are Human Rights and that it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming brothers, sisters and siblings. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes.

WORKER’S RIGHTS

We believe in an economy powered by transparency, accountability, security and equity. All women should be paid equitably, with access to affordable childcare, sick days, healthcare, paid family leave, and healthy work environments. All workers – including domestic and farm workers, undocumented and migrant workers - must have the right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage.

CIVIL RIGHTS

We believe Civil Rights are our birthright, including voting rights, freedom to worship without fear of intimidation or harassment, freedom of speech, and protections for all citizens regardless of race, gender, age or disability. We believe it is time for an all-inclusive Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

DISABILITY RIGHTS

We believe that all women’s issues are issues faced by women with disabilities and Deaf women. As mothers, sisters, daughters, and contributing members of this great nation, we seek to break barriers to access, inclusion, independence, and the full enjoyment of citizenship at home and around the world. We strive to be fully included in and contribute to all aspects of American life, economy, and culture.

IMMIGRANT RIGHTS

Rooted in the promise of America’s call for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, we believe in immigrant and refugee rights regardless of status or country of origin. We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal.

ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

We believe that every person and every community in our nation has the right to clean water, clean air, and access to and enjoyment of public lands. We believe that our environment and our climate must be protected, and that our land and natural resources cannot be exploited for corporate gain or greed - especially at the risk of public safety and health.

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/
 
From a conservative friend on Facebook today



Thoughts?

SLD
Women don't want to lose what they have achieved in the last 50 years. Is that too hard to understand?

What do they stand to lose bearing in mind there are a lot of issues they still campaign for.
 
Women don't want to lose what they have achieved in the last 50 years. Is that too hard to understand?

What do they stand to lose bearing in mind there are a lot of issues they still campaign for.
To start:
1) abortion availability/legality,
2) current federal climate change initiatives to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and
3) maintain union rights.
 
So you claim without evidence. As I said, with your history of getting it wrong about American politics, I advise that no one takes your word for it. :rolleyes:

What we all know is there was an election. Trump won the most state seats in a close vote with Clinton gaining more votes. The votes were based on a state by state basis and went against Clinton. This is the US system.
The groups involved have been campaigning for various issues for a number of years. They organised post election demonstrations against Trump for various reasons. Of course they are entitled to do so.
What were the reasons given for the demonstrations if mine are wrong and what evidence suggests this?

If only there was a source one could go to find this information...

:thinking:

:consternation1:

:thinking:

:consternation1:

:thinking:

:consternation1:

Oh wait! There is!

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.

In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Women’s March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.

We support the advocacy and resistance movements that reflect our multiple and intersecting identities. We call on all defenders of human rights to join us. This march is the first step towards unifying our communities, grounded in new relationships, to create change from the grassroots level up. We will not rest until women have parity and equity at all levels of leadership in society. We work peacefully while recognizing there is no true peace without justice and equity for all.

HEAR OUR VOICE.

GUIDING PRINCIPLES

Women’s rights are human rights, regardless of a woman’s race, ethnicity, religion, immigration status, sexual identity, gender expression, economic status, age or disability. We practice empathy with the intent to learn about the intersecting identities of each other. We will suspend our first judgement and do our best to lead without ego. We follow the principles of Kingian nonviolence, which are defined as follows:

Principle 1: Nonviolence is a way of life for courageous people. It is a positive force confronting the forces of injustice and utilizes the righteous indignation and spiritual, emotional, and intellectual capabilities of people as the vital force for change and reconciliation.

Principle 2: The Beloved Community is the framework for the future. The nonviolent concept is an overall effort to achieve a reconciled world by raising the level of relationships among people to a height where justice prevails and persons attain their full human potential.

Principle 3: Attack forces of evil, not persons doing evil. The nonviolent approach helps one analyze the fundamental conditions, policies and practices of the conflict rather than reacting to one’s opponents or their personalities.

Principle 4: Accept suffering without retaliation for the sake of the cause to achieve our goal. Self-chosen suffering is redemptive and helps the movement grow in a spiritual as well as a humanitarian dimension. The moral authority of voluntary suffering for a goal communicates the concern to one’s own friends and community as well as to the opponent.

Principle 5: Avoid internal violence of the spirit as well as external physical violence. The nonviolent attitude permeates all aspects of the campaign. It provides a mirror type reflection of the reality of the condition to one’s opponent and the community at large. Specific activities must be designed to maintain a high level of spirit and morale during a nonviolent campaign.

UNITY PRINCIPLES

We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. We must create a society in which women - including Black women, Native women, poor women, immigrant women, disabled women, Muslim women, lesbian queer and trans women - are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments.

ENDING VIOLENCE

Women deserve to live full and healthy lives, free of all forms of violence against our bodies. We believe in accountability and justice in cases of police brutality and ending racial profiling and targeting of communities of color. It is our moral imperative to dismantle the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system.

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS

We believe in Reproductive Freedom. We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education.

LGBTQIA RIGHTS

We firmly declare that LGBTQIA Rights are Human Rights and that it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming brothers, sisters and siblings. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes.

WORKER’S RIGHTS

We believe in an economy powered by transparency, accountability, security and equity. All women should be paid equitably, with access to affordable childcare, sick days, healthcare, paid family leave, and healthy work environments. All workers – including domestic and farm workers, undocumented and migrant workers - must have the right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage.

CIVIL RIGHTS

We believe Civil Rights are our birthright, including voting rights, freedom to worship without fear of intimidation or harassment, freedom of speech, and protections for all citizens regardless of race, gender, age or disability. We believe it is time for an all-inclusive Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

DISABILITY RIGHTS

We believe that all women’s issues are issues faced by women with disabilities and Deaf women. As mothers, sisters, daughters, and contributing members of this great nation, we seek to break barriers to access, inclusion, independence, and the full enjoyment of citizenship at home and around the world. We strive to be fully included in and contribute to all aspects of American life, economy, and culture.

IMMIGRANT RIGHTS

Rooted in the promise of America’s call for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, we believe in immigrant and refugee rights regardless of status or country of origin. We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal.

ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

We believe that every person and every community in our nation has the right to clean water, clean air, and access to and enjoyment of public lands. We believe that our environment and our climate must be protected, and that our land and natural resources cannot be exploited for corporate gain or greed - especially at the risk of public safety and health.

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

The most informative post in the thread so far. I might quote it again later as well. lol
 
So you claim without evidence. As I said, with your history of getting it wrong about American politics, I advise that no one takes your word for it. :rolleyes:

What we all know is there was an election. Trump won the most state seats in a close vote with Clinton gaining more votes. The votes were based on a state by state basis and went against Clinton. This is the US system.
The groups involved have been campaigning for various issues for a number of years. They organised post election demonstrations against Trump for various reasons. Of course they are entitled to do so.
What were the reasons given for the demonstrations if mine are wrong and what evidence suggests this?

If only there was a source one could go to find this information...

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Oh wait! There is!

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.

In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Women’s March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.

We support the advocacy and resistance movements that reflect our multiple and intersecting identities. We call on all defenders of human rights to join us. This march is the first step towards unifying our communities, grounded in new relationships, to create change from the grassroots level up. We will not rest until women have parity and equity at all levels of leadership in society. We work peacefully while recognizing there is no true peace without justice and equity for all.

HEAR OUR VOICE.

GUIDING PRINCIPLES

Women’s rights are human rights, regardless of a woman’s race, ethnicity, religion, immigration status, sexual identity, gender expression, economic status, age or disability. We practice empathy with the intent to learn about the intersecting identities of each other. We will suspend our first judgement and do our best to lead without ego. We follow the principles of Kingian nonviolence, which are defined as follows:

Principle 1: Nonviolence is a way of life for courageous people. It is a positive force confronting the forces of injustice and utilizes the righteous indignation and spiritual, emotional, and intellectual capabilities of people as the vital force for change and reconciliation.

Principle 2: The Beloved Community is the framework for the future. The nonviolent concept is an overall effort to achieve a reconciled world by raising the level of relationships among people to a height where justice prevails and persons attain their full human potential.

Principle 3: Attack forces of evil, not persons doing evil. The nonviolent approach helps one analyze the fundamental conditions, policies and practices of the conflict rather than reacting to one’s opponents or their personalities.

Principle 4: Accept suffering without retaliation for the sake of the cause to achieve our goal. Self-chosen suffering is redemptive and helps the movement grow in a spiritual as well as a humanitarian dimension. The moral authority of voluntary suffering for a goal communicates the concern to one’s own friends and community as well as to the opponent.

Principle 5: Avoid internal violence of the spirit as well as external physical violence. The nonviolent attitude permeates all aspects of the campaign. It provides a mirror type reflection of the reality of the condition to one’s opponent and the community at large. Specific activities must be designed to maintain a high level of spirit and morale during a nonviolent campaign.

UNITY PRINCIPLES

We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. We must create a society in which women - including Black women, Native women, poor women, immigrant women, disabled women, Muslim women, lesbian queer and trans women - are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments.

ENDING VIOLENCE

Women deserve to live full and healthy lives, free of all forms of violence against our bodies. We believe in accountability and justice in cases of police brutality and ending racial profiling and targeting of communities of color. It is our moral imperative to dismantle the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system.

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS

We believe in Reproductive Freedom. We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education.

LGBTQIA RIGHTS

We firmly declare that LGBTQIA Rights are Human Rights and that it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming brothers, sisters and siblings. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes.

WORKER’S RIGHTS

We believe in an economy powered by transparency, accountability, security and equity. All women should be paid equitably, with access to affordable childcare, sick days, healthcare, paid family leave, and healthy work environments. All workers – including domestic and farm workers, undocumented and migrant workers - must have the right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage.

CIVIL RIGHTS

We believe Civil Rights are our birthright, including voting rights, freedom to worship without fear of intimidation or harassment, freedom of speech, and protections for all citizens regardless of race, gender, age or disability. We believe it is time for an all-inclusive Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

DISABILITY RIGHTS

We believe that all women’s issues are issues faced by women with disabilities and Deaf women. As mothers, sisters, daughters, and contributing members of this great nation, we seek to break barriers to access, inclusion, independence, and the full enjoyment of citizenship at home and around the world. We strive to be fully included in and contribute to all aspects of American life, economy, and culture.

IMMIGRANT RIGHTS

Rooted in the promise of America’s call for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, we believe in immigrant and refugee rights regardless of status or country of origin. We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal.

ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

We believe that every person and every community in our nation has the right to clean water, clean air, and access to and enjoyment of public lands. We believe that our environment and our climate must be protected, and that our land and natural resources cannot be exploited for corporate gain or greed - especially at the risk of public safety and health.

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

The speaker tore up a copy of the Washington Post stating Hilary had won the election. (The Washington Post is of course I can't remember the persons name. He's been on TV and is in his 60s with glasses and shaggy hair Not well dressed. I may find his details at some point.

Your are presenting issues which are already being campaigned for.

There may be concerns regarding the following

Abortion Rights but I am not sure there is enough support to change existing laws
Environmental issues: A concern. I have views on this which could be on a separate thread
Healthcare Obamacare is a great concept but highly expensive. My unpopular idea is to look at Castro-Care and Gadhaffi Care. However both these countries provided universal free healthcare.

IMMIGRATION
As a result of American warmongering the US and Western allies we are obliged to take in refugees plus also take in refugees from other wars.

However it is clear they wish to fuse asylum seekers with illegal immigration. Anyone who disagrees is called a racist in the UK. However even the UK Labour party is now proposing stricter border controls. The US needs stricter border controls. There are also security issues though border controls wont stop all criminals entering the country. However countries at war have data base

Most Britons including those descended from immigrants seek stricter immigration controls. Britons welcome immigrants but Britons who worked abroad and return to the UK are less entitled to emergency help if they return unemployed and broke. They have to be given an interview after 3 months which is called the Habitual Residency Test. Yet many went abroad because the government told them to 'Get on their bikes and find a job.'

In Italy some arrivals refused finger printing and disclosing their identity and even birth certificates. I was there at the time. Whether crime did actually increase I certainly had to drive off 2 people with a steel self defence umbrella and foiled several attempts at pick pocketing.

How does a nation check the security status of someone if they can sneak in on a boat or over the Mexican border?

Can the US accommodate 2 billion people from India and China? I think the US system is fine and people should follow that route. The US can't even look after its own.

Since the agendas have been in existence for a number of years, what is the reason to using these to oppose Trump's election or time it with the inauguration??
 
So you claim without evidence. As I said, with your history of getting it wrong about American politics, I advise that no one takes your word for it. :rolleyes:



If only there was a source one could go to find this information...

:thinking:

:consternation1:

:thinking:

:consternation1:

:thinking:

:consternation1:

Oh wait! There is!

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.

In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Women’s March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.

We support the advocacy and resistance movements that reflect our multiple and intersecting identities. We call on all defenders of human rights to join us. This march is the first step towards unifying our communities, grounded in new relationships, to create change from the grassroots level up. We will not rest until women have parity and equity at all levels of leadership in society. We work peacefully while recognizing there is no true peace without justice and equity for all.

HEAR OUR VOICE.

GUIDING PRINCIPLES

Women’s rights are human rights, regardless of a woman’s race, ethnicity, religion, immigration status, sexual identity, gender expression, economic status, age or disability. We practice empathy with the intent to learn about the intersecting identities of each other. We will suspend our first judgement and do our best to lead without ego. We follow the principles of Kingian nonviolence, which are defined as follows:

Principle 1: Nonviolence is a way of life for courageous people. It is a positive force confronting the forces of injustice and utilizes the righteous indignation and spiritual, emotional, and intellectual capabilities of people as the vital force for change and reconciliation.

Principle 2: The Beloved Community is the framework for the future. The nonviolent concept is an overall effort to achieve a reconciled world by raising the level of relationships among people to a height where justice prevails and persons attain their full human potential.

Principle 3: Attack forces of evil, not persons doing evil. The nonviolent approach helps one analyze the fundamental conditions, policies and practices of the conflict rather than reacting to one’s opponents or their personalities.

Principle 4: Accept suffering without retaliation for the sake of the cause to achieve our goal. Self-chosen suffering is redemptive and helps the movement grow in a spiritual as well as a humanitarian dimension. The moral authority of voluntary suffering for a goal communicates the concern to one’s own friends and community as well as to the opponent.

Principle 5: Avoid internal violence of the spirit as well as external physical violence. The nonviolent attitude permeates all aspects of the campaign. It provides a mirror type reflection of the reality of the condition to one’s opponent and the community at large. Specific activities must be designed to maintain a high level of spirit and morale during a nonviolent campaign.

UNITY PRINCIPLES

We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. We must create a society in which women - including Black women, Native women, poor women, immigrant women, disabled women, Muslim women, lesbian queer and trans women - are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments.

ENDING VIOLENCE

Women deserve to live full and healthy lives, free of all forms of violence against our bodies. We believe in accountability and justice in cases of police brutality and ending racial profiling and targeting of communities of color. It is our moral imperative to dismantle the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system.

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS

We believe in Reproductive Freedom. We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education.

LGBTQIA RIGHTS

We firmly declare that LGBTQIA Rights are Human Rights and that it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming brothers, sisters and siblings. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes.

WORKER’S RIGHTS

We believe in an economy powered by transparency, accountability, security and equity. All women should be paid equitably, with access to affordable childcare, sick days, healthcare, paid family leave, and healthy work environments. All workers – including domestic and farm workers, undocumented and migrant workers - must have the right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage.

CIVIL RIGHTS

We believe Civil Rights are our birthright, including voting rights, freedom to worship without fear of intimidation or harassment, freedom of speech, and protections for all citizens regardless of race, gender, age or disability. We believe it is time for an all-inclusive Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

DISABILITY RIGHTS

We believe that all women’s issues are issues faced by women with disabilities and Deaf women. As mothers, sisters, daughters, and contributing members of this great nation, we seek to break barriers to access, inclusion, independence, and the full enjoyment of citizenship at home and around the world. We strive to be fully included in and contribute to all aspects of American life, economy, and culture.

IMMIGRANT RIGHTS

Rooted in the promise of America’s call for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, we believe in immigrant and refugee rights regardless of status or country of origin. We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal.

ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

We believe that every person and every community in our nation has the right to clean water, clean air, and access to and enjoyment of public lands. We believe that our environment and our climate must be protected, and that our land and natural resources cannot be exploited for corporate gain or greed - especially at the risk of public safety and health.

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

The most informative post in the thread so far I might quote it again later as well. lol

My take is these are issues that have existed for a number of years yet Trump only recently got sworn in. He couldn't have conceivably caused these issues
See my post. I only think there are a few issues. Maybe there are others which I will be glad to hear of.
 
The speaker tore up a copy of the Washington Post stating Hilary had won the election...

So you are simply going to completely ignore facts and continue to maintain your fiction that "the real reason is to protest against Trump winning the election". You will engage in your typical goal post moving and red herring, and then later simply repeat your original falsehood as if none of the previous discussion ever took place.

Fine.

Not playing your idiotic games. You've been schooled. I don't care if you ignore it.
 
What do they stand to lose bearing in mind there are a lot of issues they still campaign for.
To start:
1) abortion availability/legality,
2) current federal climate change initiatives to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and
3) maintain union rights.

1) and 2) I have hinted on plus immigration but this is to fuse illegal immigration with asylum seekers which would not be economically viable. 3) I am not too familiar with the history of this but have notices issues from time to time.

It doesn't answer the question why old issues were used in the marches. Is Trump being blamed for these.

It seems they were in part protesting at his use of Twitter. Is it so serious for a President to use Twitter??
https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewar...your-account?utm_term=.ofAqaVmmD8#.log7qOaaDx

Is that the purpose - he tweets as well as healthcare and environment issues. Or is it because he won the election?
 
The speaker tore up a copy of the Washington Post stating Hilary had won the election...

So you are simply going to completely ignore facts and continue to maintain your fiction that "the real reason is to protest against Trump winning the election". You will engage in your typical goal post moving and red herring, and then later simply repeat your original falsehood as if none of the previous discussion ever took place.

Fine.

Not playing your idiotic games. You've been schooled. I don't care if you ignore it.

There are issues as I mentioned but those in themselves are insufficient to organise worldwide protests except those I highlighted. Schooled in confusion?
If you say it is against him winning the election why time it for his inauguration?
 
The most informative post in the thread so far. I might quote it again later as well. lol

I wasn't informed at all. It was merely a second rate rant from a bunch of right on, entitled students and snowflakes.

Edit: with an incoherent ramble from an 80's has been pop star added on.

It is no surprise the grown ups ignore them.
 
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