March for women. A message from Conservatives

[blastula]

Until Sean Spicer does a press briefing about Madonna's explosive devices, I won't know what to believe. Period.

 

[RavenSky]

From the evidence in this thread, I am beginning to think what is really bothering the complainers is that these women dared to actually protest at all.

The only complainers are the women who can't accept the election result WhichPhilosophy who can't stop making false statements on topics he has already been given the facts about. No one's stopping them you bleating, I mean protesting. Did you check out the your leaders.

FIFY

 

[RavenSky]

From a conservative friend on Facebook today

Something a friend posted today: I found a lot of truth in this, for me...
"I am not a "disgrace to women" because I don't support the women's march. I do not feel I am a "second class citizen" because I am a woman. I do not feel my voice is "not heard" because I am a woman. I do not feel I am not provided opportunities in this life or in America because I am a woman. I do not feel that I "don't have control of my body or choices" because I am a woman. I do not feel like I am " not respected or undermined" because I am a woman.
I AM a woman.
I can make my own choices.
I can speak and be heard.
I can VOTE.
I can work if I want.
I control my body.
I can defend myself.
I can defend my family.
There is nothing stopping me to do anything in this world but MYSELF.
I do not blame my circumstances or problems on anything other than my own choices or even that sometimes in life, we don't always get what we want. I take responsibility for myself.
I am a mother, a daughter, a wife, a sister, a friend. I am not held back in life but only by the walls I choose to not go over which is a personal choice.
Quit blaming.
Take responsibility.
If you want to speak, do so. But do not expect for me, a woman, to take you seriously wearing a pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men.
If you have beliefs, and speak to me in a kind matter, I will listen. But do not expect for me to change my beliefs to suit yours. Respect goes both ways.
If you want to impress me, especially in regards to women, then speak on the real injustices and tragedies that affect women in foreign countries that do not have the opportunity or means to have their voices heard.
Saudi Arabia, women can't drive, no rights and must always be covered.
China and India, infanticide of baby girls.
Afghanistan, unequal education rights.
Democratic Republic of Congo, where rapes are brutal and women are left to die, or HIV infected and left to care for children alone.
Mali, where women can not escape the torture of genital mutilation.
Pakistan, in tribal areas where women are gang raped to pay for men's crime.
Guatemala, the impoverished female underclass of Guatemala faces domestic violence, rape and the second-highest rate of HIV/AIDS after sub-Saharan Africa. An epidemic of gruesome unsolved murders has left hundreds of women dead, some of their bodies left with hate messages.
And that's just a few examples.
So when women get together in AMERICA and whine they don't have equal rights and they're marching in their clean clothes after eating a hearty breakfast, I have to shake my head. If you want to protest, and as long as it's peaceful have at it; I will not be there."

Thoughts?

SLD

from: https://medium.com/@dinachka82/about-your-poem-1f26a7585a6f#.tassibqk1

You Are Not Equal. I’m Sorry.

A post is making rounds on social media, in response to the Women’s March on Saturday, January 21, 2017. It starts with “I am not a “disgrace to women” because I don’t support the women’s march. I do not feel I am a “second class citizen” because I am a woman….”
This is my response to that post.
Say Thank You
Say thank you. Say thank you to the women who gave you a voice. Say thank you to the women who were arrested and imprisoned and beaten and gassed for you to have a voice. Say thank you to the women who refused to back down, to the women who fought tirelessly to give you a voice. Say thank you to the women who put their lives on hold, who –lucky for you — did not have “better things to do” than to march and protest and rally for your voice. So you don’t feel like a “second class citizen.” So you get to feel “equal.”
Thank Susan B. Anthony and Alice Paul for your right to vote.
Thank Elizabeth Stanton for your right to work.
Thank Maud Wood Park for your prenatal care and your identity outside of your husband.
Thank Rose Schneiderman for your humane working conditions.
Thank Eleanor Roosevelt and Molly Dewson for your ability to work in politics and affect policy.
Thank Margaret Sanger for your legal birth control.
Thank Carol Downer for your reproductive healthcare rights.
Thank Sarah Muller for your equal education.
Thank Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Shannon Turner, Gloria Steinem, Zelda Kingoff Nordlinger, Rosa Parks, Angela Davis, Malika Saada Saar, Wagatwe Wanjuki, Ida B. Wells, Malala Yousafzai. Thank your mother, your grandmother, your great-grandmother who did not have half of the rights you have now.
You can make your own choices, speak and be heard, vote, work, control your body, defend yourself, defend your family, because of the women who marched. You did nothing to earn those rights. You were born into those rights. You did nothing, but you reap the benefits of women, strong women, women who fought misogyny and pushed through patriarchy and fought for you. And you sit on your pedestal, a pedestal you are fortunate enough to have, and type. A keyboard warrior. A fighter for complacency. An acceptor of what you were given. A denier of facts. Wrapped up in your delusion of equality.
You are not equal. Even if you feel like you are. You still make less than a man for doing the same work. You make less as a CEO, as an athlete, as an actress, as a doctor. You make less in government, in the tech industry, in healthcare.
You still don’t have full rights over your own body. Men are still debating over your uterus. Over your prenatal care. Over your choices.
You still have to pay taxes for your basic sanitary needs.
You still have to carry mace when walking alone at night. You still have to prove to the court why you were drunk on the night you were raped. You still have to justify your behavior when a man forces himself on you.
You still don’t have paid (or even unpaid) maternity leave. You still have to go back to work while your body is broken. While you silently suffer from postpartum depression.
You still have to fight to breastfeed in public. You still have to prove to other women it’s your right to do so. You still offend others with your breasts.
You are still objectified. You are still catcalled. You are still sexualized. You are still told you’re too skinny or you’re too fat. You’re still told you’re too old or too young. You’re applauded when you “age gracefully.” You’re still told men age “better.” You’re still told to dress like a lady. You are still judged on your outfit instead of what’s in your head. What brand bag you have still matters more than your college degree.
You are still being abused by your husband, by your boyfriend. You’re still being murdered by your partners. Being beaten by your soulmate.
You are still worse off if you are a woman of color, a gay woman, a transgender woman. You are still harassed, belittled, dehumanized.
Your daughters are still told they are beautiful before they are told they are smart. Your daughters are still told to behave even though “boys will be boys.” Your daughters are still told boys pull hair or pinch them because they like them.
You are not equal. Your daughters are not equal. You are still systemically oppressed.
Estonia allows parents to take up to three years of leave, fully paid for the first 435 days. United States has no policy requiring maternity leave.
Singapore’s women feel safe walking alone at night. American women do not.
New Zealand’s women have the smallest gender gap in wages, at 5.6%. United States’ pay gap is 20%.
Iceland has the highest number of women CEOs, at 44%. United States is at 4.0%.
The United States ranks at 45 for women’s equality. Behind Rwanda, Cuba, Philippines, Jamaica.
But I get it. You don’t want to admit it. You don’t want to be a victim. You think feminism is a dirty word. You think it’s not classy to fight for equality. You hate the word pussy. Unless of course you use it to call a man who isn’t up to your standard of manhood. You know the type of man that “allows” “his” woman to do whatever she damn well pleases. I get it. You believe feminists are emotional, irrational, unreasonable. Why aren’t women just satisfied with their lives, right? You get what you get and you don’t get upset, right?
I get it. You want to feel empowered. You don’t want to believe you’re oppressed. Because that would mean you are indeed a “second-class citizen.” You don’t want to feel like one. I get it. But don’t worry. I will walk for you. I will walk for your daughter. And your daughter’s daughter. And maybe you will still believe the world did not change. You will believe you’ve always had the rights you have today. And that’s okay. Because women who actually care and support other women don’t care what you think about them. They care about their future and the future of the women who come after them.
Open your eyes. Open them wide. Because I’m here to tell you, along with millions of other women that you are not equal. Our equality is an illusion. A feel-good sleight of hand. A trick of the mind. I’m sorry to tell you, but you are not equal. And neither are your daughters.
But don’t worry. We will walk for you. We will fight for you. We will stand up for you. And one day you will actually be equal, instead of just feeling like you are.

~ Dina Leygerman, 2017

 

[thebeave]

From the evidence in this thread, I am beginning to think what is really bothering the complainers is that these women dared to actually protest at all.

What really bothers me is all the litter they left behind on the Washington streets, like their signs and stuff. If women stop picking up after themselves too then our society is just going to drown in garbage.

I think what bothered me most is seeing all the pink at the women's march:



But then getting lectured for decades now by feminists about how sexist it is to asscociate pink with girls (e.g. toys, dresses, bedroom color, etc, etc). For example, there's this little gem by Jessica Valenti:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/05/girls-aisle-sexist-toys-clothes

When I think of my least favorite places on earth, the pink aisle at the toy store ranks up there with the DMV and dentist. The sparkles, the tulle, the inexplicably scantily clad dolls – it’s enough to make this mom of a little girl run screaming. That’s why I was so pleased to see how one New Jersey mom took on the never-ending pinkification of little girls.

I guess I don't have a specific question, but I will let Jackie Chan express my thoughts on this:

 

[blastula]

You'll live.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The only complainers are the women who can't accept the election result WhichPhilosophy who can't stop making false statements on topics he has already been given the facts about. No one's stopping them you bleating, I mean protesting. Did you check out the your leaders.

FIFY

Not B-a-a-a-a-h-d

 

[Toni]

What really bothers me is all the litter they left behind on the Washington streets, like their signs and stuff. If women stop picking up after themselves too then our society is just going to drown in garbage.

I think what bothered me most is seeing all the pink at the women's march:

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But then getting lectured for decades now by feminists about how sexist it is to asscociate pink with girls (e.g. toys, dresses, bedroom color, etc, etc). For example, there's this little gem by Jessica Valenti:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/05/girls-aisle-sexist-toys-clothes

When I think of my least favorite places on earth, the pink aisle at the toy store ranks up there with the DMV and dentist. The sparkles, the tulle, the inexplicably scantily clad dolls – it’s enough to make this mom of a little girl run screaming. That’s why I was so pleased to see how one New Jersey mom took on the never-ending pinkification of little girls.

I guess I don't have a specific question, but I will let Jackie Chan express my thoughts on this:

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It's about choosing and not having choices imposed upon you. The hats were directly in response to Trump's pussy grabbing comments.

Not all women like the same things, embrace the same things. Heck, not all women have the same chromosomal array.

I've never been a fan of pink. When I was a girl and frankly until maybe the late 80's or 90's, maybe later, it was quite easy to go to a store and find clothing for girls that was not pink, not tulle, not bedazzled or besparkled. Sure, there were plenty of Barbies and her car (and I think her house) in pink but there were plenty of other colors of toys available. In fact, except for dolls, very few things were marketed as 'girls toys' or 'boys toys.' There were no tool sets that were marketed for women (or girls) because they had pink handles. We just went to the hardware store and picked up our own hammers, drills, screw drivers, etc. Picked them up for our daughters and sons when they were in their first apartments, too. Most tool boxes were red, or if not red, black or gray or metallic. Even most sewing boxes were not pink. This mad embrace of pink is simply lazy marketing for lazy consumers. Not sure if your little girl will like something? Well, if it's pink, it's definitely something she will LOVE. And definitely something you need to steer your little boy away from.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Do you have the reference for the last bit. I don't think that Madonna meant this; perhaps fantasised this but did not have any intent in mind. I've quoted some reports but it is stupid for people to say such things in this type of international political climate.

A reference? All of a sudden you want facts that can be verified instead of just being judged as true because they were part of the delusional rantings of a madman?

Pick a side, FFS.

I've already done this for you a couple of posts down, since you didn't google it. There are a few reports and here is my conclusion but this is based on what is available. Ranting? How do you judge on unverified data?
In my own view it's a stupid comment. I mean blowing up the White House shouldn't be said either as a joke no matter who is there. She should stick to singing.

Any of your own research to add?

 

[Angry Floof]

But then getting lectured for decades now by feminists about how sexist it is to asscociate pink with girls (e.g. toys, dresses, bedroom color, etc, etc).

Bullshit. It's not about banning pink for girls, but opposing morons who insist on making the association, who can't seem to get that pink as a symbol of femininity is cultural, transient, and arbitrary in meaning, and who expect and even demand that everyone follow along with it or else, as if it's a moral issue, while completely oblivious to the actual moral issues of human rights.

I'll take those two "lecturers" whoever they are over the millions of shits who spew delusional outrage at anything that challenges an arbitrary, programmed response. OMG, boycott Target! OMG, boycott children's toys that aren't fundamentalist-approved! OMG, look at that child playing with that toy. SHAME!

OH, wait, I forgot... they have an excuse: a worldview that reinforces conformity for its own sake while punishing doubt and questioning. Either way, fuck you and your straw man.

 

[ZiprHead]

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

She said some bad words. Tswizzle read about it on Breitbart so that's what he goes with.
http://www.breitbart.com/live/womens-march-washington-live-updates/madonna-drops-f-bombs-anti-trump-rally-ive-thought-lot-blowing-white-house/

 

[whichphilosophy]

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

She said some bad words. Tswizzle read about it on Breitbart so that's what he goes with.
http://www.breitbart.com/live/womens-march-washington-live-updates/madonna-drops-f-bombs-anti-trump-rally-ive-thought-lot-blowing-white-house/

It's in several media and Madonna confirms she said it but claims it was metaphoric. I posted here asinine conduct already suggesting she sticks to singing.

 

[TSwizzle]

Until Sean Spicer does a press briefing about Madonna's explosive devices, I won't know what to believe. Period.

I see what you did there, you sexist, misogynist pig !

 

[blastula]

The Independent? LOLZ !!

The Guardian? On the floor lolz !!!

They're legit papers. What's your problem with them?

The incidents took place before the inauguration, so you can blame Obama, if that helps.

 

[another1]

If Madonna threatened, or even expressed thoughts of blowing up the White House, she'd be in jail. She even did it in front of an indeterminate amount of people. She was readin a script bro. An old, reworded one. Technically she really could be jailed right now. Look that up.

 

[whichphilosophy]

From a conservative friend on Facebook today



Thoughts?

SLD

from: https://medium.com/@dinachka82/about-your-poem-1f26a7585a6f#.tassibqk1

You Are Not Equal. I’m Sorry.

A post is making rounds on social media, in response to the Women’s March on Saturday, January 21, 2017. It starts with “I am not a “disgrace to women” because I don’t support the women’s march. I do not feel I am a “second class citizen” because I am a woman….”
This is my response to that post.
Say Thank You
Say thank you. Say thank you to the women who gave you a voice. Say thank you to the women who were arrested and imprisoned and beaten and gassed for you to have a voice. Say thank you to the women who refused to back down, to the women who fought tirelessly to give you a voice. Say thank you to the women who put their lives on hold, who –lucky for you — did not have “better things to do” than to march and protest and rally for your voice. So you don’t feel like a “second class citizen.” So you get to feel “equal.”
Thank Susan B. Anthony and Alice Paul for your right to vote.
Thank Elizabeth Stanton for your right to work.
Thank Maud Wood Park for your prenatal care and your identity outside of your husband.
Thank Rose Schneiderman for your humane working conditions.
Thank Eleanor Roosevelt and Molly Dewson for your ability to work in politics and affect policy.
Thank Margaret Sanger for your legal birth control.
Thank Carol Downer for your reproductive healthcare rights.
Thank Sarah Muller for your equal education.
Thank Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Shannon Turner, Gloria Steinem, Zelda Kingoff Nordlinger, Rosa Parks, Angela Davis, Malika Saada Saar, Wagatwe Wanjuki, Ida B. Wells, Malala Yousafzai. Thank your mother, your grandmother, your great-grandmother who did not have half of the rights you have now.
You can make your own choices, speak and be heard, vote, work, control your body, defend yourself, defend your family, because of the women who marched. You did nothing to earn those rights. You were born into those rights. You did nothing, but you reap the benefits of women, strong women, women who fought misogyny and pushed through patriarchy and fought for you. And you sit on your pedestal, a pedestal you are fortunate enough to have, and type. A keyboard warrior. A fighter for complacency. An acceptor of what you were given. A denier of facts. Wrapped up in your delusion of equality.
You are not equal. Even if you feel like you are. You still make less than a man for doing the same work. You make less as a CEO, as an athlete, as an actress, as a doctor. You make less in government, in the tech industry, in healthcare.
You still don’t have full rights over your own body. Men are still debating over your uterus. Over your prenatal care. Over your choices.
You still have to pay taxes for your basic sanitary needs.
You still have to carry mace when walking alone at night. You still have to prove to the court why you were drunk on the night you were raped. You still have to justify your behavior when a man forces himself on you.
You still don’t have paid (or even unpaid) maternity leave. You still have to go back to work while your body is broken. While you silently suffer from postpartum depression.
You still have to fight to breastfeed in public. You still have to prove to other women it’s your right to do so. You still offend others with your breasts.
You are still objectified. You are still catcalled. You are still sexualized. You are still told you’re too skinny or you’re too fat. You’re still told you’re too old or too young. You’re applauded when you “age gracefully.” You’re still told men age “better.” You’re still told to dress like a lady. You are still judged on your outfit instead of what’s in your head. What brand bag you have still matters more than your college degree.
You are still being abused by your husband, by your boyfriend. You’re still being murdered by your partners. Being beaten by your soulmate.
You are still worse off if you are a woman of color, a gay woman, a transgender woman. You are still harassed, belittled, dehumanized.
Your daughters are still told they are beautiful before they are told they are smart. Your daughters are still told to behave even though “boys will be boys.” Your daughters are still told boys pull hair or pinch them because they like them.
You are not equal. Your daughters are not equal. You are still systemically oppressed.
Estonia allows parents to take up to three years of leave, fully paid for the first 435 days. United States has no policy requiring maternity leave.
Singapore’s women feel safe walking alone at night. American women do not.
New Zealand’s women have the smallest gender gap in wages, at 5.6%. United States’ pay gap is 20%.
Iceland has the highest number of women CEOs, at 44%. United States is at 4.0%.
The United States ranks at 45 for women’s equality. Behind Rwanda, Cuba, Philippines, Jamaica.
But I get it. You don’t want to admit it. You don’t want to be a victim. You think feminism is a dirty word. You think it’s not classy to fight for equality. You hate the word pussy. Unless of course you use it to call a man who isn’t up to your standard of manhood. You know the type of man that “allows” “his” woman to do whatever she damn well pleases. I get it. You believe feminists are emotional, irrational, unreasonable. Why aren’t women just satisfied with their lives, right? You get what you get and you don’t get upset, right?
I get it. You want to feel empowered. You don’t want to believe you’re oppressed. Because that would mean you are indeed a “second-class citizen.” You don’t want to feel like one. I get it. But don’t worry. I will walk for you. I will walk for your daughter. And your daughter’s daughter. And maybe you will still believe the world did not change. You will believe you’ve always had the rights you have today. And that’s okay. Because women who actually care and support other women don’t care what you think about them. They care about their future and the future of the women who come after them.
Open your eyes. Open them wide. Because I’m here to tell you, along with millions of other women that you are not equal. Our equality is an illusion. A feel-good sleight of hand. A trick of the mind. I’m sorry to tell you, but you are not equal. And neither are your daughters.
But don’t worry. We will walk for you. We will fight for you. We will stand up for you. And one day you will actually be equal, instead of just feeling like you are.

~ Dina Leygerman, 2017

Apart from LBTG which is a possible concern what's the rest got to do with Trump taking office being a bad thing. Many of these are old issues and a valid but have been around long before Trump even contemplated running for the Whitehouse.. Who's Dina Leygerman?

 

[whichphilosophy]

If Madonna threatened, or even expressed thoughts of blowing up the White House, she'd be in jail. She even did it in front of an indeterminate amount of people. She was readin a script bro. An old, reworded one. Technically she really could be jailed right now. Look that up.

Possibly in today's climate of terrorism. Talk about blowing up the White House at a public rally are at best stupid. This is something that will do more harm to the anti-Trump cause than anything else.

There's no need to look in Breitbart. This has also appeared in the British press.

 

[RavenSky]

Apart from LBTG which is a possible concern what's the rest got to do with Trump taking office being a bad thing. Many of these are old issues and a valid but have been around long before Trump even contemplated running for the Whitehouse..

Did the previous Which Philosophy forget to check this one as 'already bleated' or are you a parrot?

 

[laughing dog]

From the evidence in this thread, I am beginning to think what is really bothering the complainers is that these women dared to actually protest at all.

The only complainers are the women who can't accept the election result.

I didn't realize you cannot accept the USA election result.

No one's stopping them bleating, I mean protesting.

No one has stopped your incessant whining and mischaracterizations. So what exactly are you babbling about now?

Did you check out the leaders.

What are you babbling about?

 

[blastula]

A reference? All of a sudden you want facts that can be verified instead of just being judged as true because they were part of the delusional rantings of a madman?

Pick a side, FFS.

I've already done this for you a couple of posts down, since you didn't google it. There are a few reports and here is my conclusion but this is based on what is available. Ranting? How do you judge on unverified data?
In my own view it's a stupid comment. I mean blowing up the White House shouldn't be said either as a joke no matter who is there. She should stick to singing.

Any of your own research to add?

I watched her speech which included singing, and my research says she's a better speaker than singer.

 

[another1]

Eww did you see her hat? Her hat trumped any words she could have said.
The carefully scripted words she said.

Maybe she SHOULD be arrested. Maybe she will. Troll President Trump to arrest Madonna. God I never thought I'd live in a world where I could say those words seriously.