March for women. A message from Conservatives

[Shadowy Man]

The pink hats looked twee to me but whatever floats your boat.

Pink is the new tin foil. Maybe this could be called Pink Foil.

Denigration through false equivalence. Lame.

 

[blastula]

Women should have the right to wear what they want, but they don't in reality. Your theologizing about what the Koran says is irrelevant to how Muslims practice their religion.

It's not in the Koran so it is simply what men tell women to wear. People can wear what they want, but many Muslim women are not free to make this choice. They should be.

A book is not a religion. Not only does the Koran not equal Islam, your opinion about what's in the Koran is absolutely irrelevant to how any Muslim practices their religion, unless you are the Muslim.

So women claiming this is a religious issue are confusing this with a culture which predates Islam.

That any religious practice may predate a religion doesn't make the practice non-religious. And even if so, whether it's from culture or religion is irrelevant, as if you could separate the two, the effect is the same.

 

[blastula]

I went to the march for MY reasons, as did the hundreds of thousands who joined me. And the millions worldwide.

Keep tilting at windmills in your cute hats.

Protest movements can make a difference. The tea party proved that.

 

[laughing dog]

What issue do you think represents a firey dragon in my imagination but is actually just a windmill because I'm deluded?
Why do you think I was one of the hat-wearers?

Not that there's anything wrong with the hats. I loved the neighbors who said, I can't go, but I want to knit you a hat so I can support you. That was incredibly sweet. And it was fun to see a theme of color over the group. I'd guess it was 1-in-4 or less wearing them. But it was neat to see.

I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

Are you serious with this "Major rebellion" lunacy?

 

[whichphilosophy]

It's not in the Koran so it is simply what men tell women to wear. People can wear what they want, but many Muslim women are not free to make this choice. They should be.

A book is not a religion. Not only does the Koran not equal Islam, your opinion about what's in the Koran is absolutely irrelevant to how any Muslim practices their religion, unless you are the Muslim.

So women claiming this is a religious issue are confusing this with a culture which predates Islam.

That any religious practice may predate a religion doesn't make the practice non-religious. And even if so, whether it's from culture or religion is irrelevant, as if you could separate the two, the effect is the same.

What a load of old nonsense. it's like saying that an Engineering Standard in Mechanical Engineering does not relate to Mechanical Engineering. The Koran is the cornerstone of Islam. Islamic scholars look into the Koran to define Islam. Some Muslims reject all the other writings and think the Koran is the only source.

 

[ZiprHead]

I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

Jesus fucking christ. How many times do you have to be told this wasn't a democratic election?

 

[whichphilosophy]

I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

Are you serious with this "Major rebellion" lunacy?

It's a grass roots rebellion organised for the sheeple. Of the sheeple by the sheeple and for the sheeple.

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I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

Jesus fucking christ. How many times do you have to be told this wasn't a democratic election?

It was according to the US electoral system.

 

[laughing dog]

Are you serious with this "Major rebellion" lunacy?

It's a grass roots rebellion organised for the sheeple. Of the sheeple by the sheeple and for the sheeple.

The "only post if you are drunk" thread is in a different forum.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Keep tilting at windmills in your cute hats.

Protest movements can make a difference. The tea party proved that.

They can do but many backfire. All you need are a few asinine speeches by Madonna et al. Anyway I think sales of pink wool have increased recently,

 

[blastula]

A book is not a religion. Not only does the Koran not equal Islam, your opinion about what's in the Koran is absolutely irrelevant to how any Muslim practices their religion, unless you are the Muslim.

So women claiming this is a religious issue are confusing this with a culture which predates Islam.

That any religious practice may predate a religion doesn't make the practice non-religious. And even if so, whether it's from culture or religion is irrelevant, as if you could separate the two, the effect is the same.

What a load of old nonsense. it's like saying that an Engineering Standard in Mechanical Engineering does not relate to Mechanical Engineering. The Koran is the cornerstone of Islam. Islamic scholars look into the Koran to define Islam.

Sorry, Witchy Poo, a science text is nothing like a religious text to their respective users. And whatever the Koran says, Muslims are free to apply it to their religion as they see fit. If you were right, there would only be one version of Islam or any religion based on a book, but in fact there are numerous contradictory sects.

Some Muslims reject all the other writings and think the Koran is the only source.

Yet some Muslims don't, which proves my point.

 

[ZiprHead]

I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

Jesus fucking christ. How many times do you have to be told this wasn't a democratic election?

It was according to the US electoral system.

No, it was valid according to the electoral system, but it wasn't democratic.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

Jesus fucking christ. How many times do you have to be told this wasn't a democratic election?

It was according to the US electoral system.

No, it was valid according to the electoral system, but it wasn't democratic.

You think that is bad? The Tories won the majority of seats in the last election with less than 37% of the vote.

 

[ZiprHead]

I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

Jesus fucking christ. How many times do you have to be told this wasn't a democratic election?

It was according to the US electoral system.

No, it was valid according to the electoral system, but it wasn't democratic.

You think that is bad? The Tories won the majority of seats in the last election with less than 37% of the vote.

I don't give a shit about the tories. It's a different governmental system. Nice try at deflection though.

 

[lpetrich]

If only feminists had the courage of their supposed convictions.

While if feminists do that, it's "Let's take care of our problems first", right?

 

[lpetrich]

I believe history may see the Pink Hat as the first major US rebellion against the winner of a democratic election.

whichphilosophy, what do you call the teabaggers and the birthers? What do you call the secession of the Southern states?

 

[credoconsolans]

If only feminists had the courage of their supposed convictions.

What makes you think they don't?

One particular group I remember. It was back in the ancient days of 2001 - BEFORE 9/11 - I decided to videotape a program that was to be shown on PBS about a group I'd never heard of called "The Taliban".

Apparently, women's groups in the US, one of them led by Mavis Leno (yes, that Leno), a famous feminist herself, was working with women in Afghanistan and trying to make the horrendous conditions for women there more public so as to get them help. She was trying to get in to meet with President G. Bush to see what the US could do about pushing for sanctions, etc.

So, if you think feminists don't fight for Muslim women, you must not know very much about feminist groups.

 

[Arctish]

If only feminists had the courage of their supposed convictions.

What makes you think they don't?

One particular group I remember. It was back in the ancient days of 2001 - BEFORE 9/11 - I decided to videotape a program that was to be shown on PBS about a group I'd never heard of called "The Taliban".

Apparently, women's groups in the US, one of them led by Mavis Leno (yes, that Leno), a famous feminist herself, was working with women in Afghanistan and trying to make the horrendous conditions for women there more public so as to get them help. She was trying to get in to meet with President G. Bush to see what the US could do about pushing for sanctions, etc.

So, if you think feminists don't fight for Muslim women, you must not know very much about feminist groups.

They also didn't follow the link to the interview with Ms. Ensler, Eve Ensler: "Afghanistan is everywhere", that I provided in rebuttal to one of the claims Ms. Hirsi Ali makes in her video.

After visiting Afghanistan a year ago, Ensler embarked on a quest to raise both awareness of the crisis and funding for the Afghan feminist activist group RAWA, which surreptitiously aids the oppressed women under the Taliban. Her efforts, including a sold-out celebrity fund-raising performance of "The Vagina Monologues" (this as part of the worldwide anti-violence benefit "V-Day"), have helped her become one of the Afghan women's most vocal advocates.

I think there are a few posters here accusing feminists of not caring about women in Islamic countries merely because they, the posters, are utterly unaware of what feminists have done and are currently doing to improve conditions for people everywhere.

 

[RavenSky]

While Muslims feminists (with feminists) in the USA are complaining about women's rights in the USA why do they remain silent of abuses of women in the Middle East (force to wear the burqa and nijab).

More bullshit "since whichphilosophy didn't personally hear about something, it doesn't exist"

Women (& men) around the world have been protesting the forced wearing of burqas/hijabs/etc since at least 1979 when Iran instituted the policy.

Alinejad grew up in Iran — not in Tehran, but in a small village called Ghomikola, she is quick to point out — and was forced to wear a veil from the day of her birth. She was imprisoned at 19 for student activism protesting the regime’s human rights record, was released early to give birth to her son, and moved to the U.K. in 2009 to study journalism at Oxford Brookes University.

She now lives in Brooklyn and works at Voice of America...

Through her Facebook community, My Stealthy Freedom, Alinejad has been encouraging Iranian women to post photos of themselves without the mandatory hijab, or veil, to protest the restrictive policies of the Islamic government. Since she started the page in May 2014, it has garnered over 897,000 likes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/masih-alinejad-iran-hijab_us_5632406ce4b00aa54a4d0a40

There are also related human rights' protests:

Human Rights Watch is launching a new campaign, #Watch4Women, to support Iranian women fighting this ugly discrimination. What we’re asking is simple: that the International Volleyball Federation, known as the FIVB, uphold its own rules and agree not to allow Iran to host future tournaments – unless it allows Iranian women to attend.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/10/28/womens-rights-iran


Women have also protested the ban of hijabs/veils in France.

This, however, is my favorite protest:

Men in Iran post photos of themselves wearing hijabs in protest of strict laws governing women

So how come you aren't doing this WP? I don't think you've earned the privilege of making blanket claims about women, or questioning whether they protest to your satisfaction until you have protested on their behalf yourself.

 

[RavenSky]

What makes you think they don't?

One particular group I remember. It was back in the ancient days of 2001 - BEFORE 9/11 - I decided to videotape a program that was to be shown on PBS about a group I'd never heard of called "The Taliban".

Apparently, women's groups in the US, one of them led by Mavis Leno (yes, that Leno), a famous feminist herself, was working with women in Afghanistan and trying to make the horrendous conditions for women there more public so as to get them help. She was trying to get in to meet with President G. Bush to see what the US could do about pushing for sanctions, etc.

So, if you think feminists don't fight for Muslim women, you must not know very much about feminist groups.

Thank you for mentioning her!

 

[bilby]

Also, symbols can have more than one meaning. Context is important. An Indian friend of mine was given a beautiful wedding gift by his family, which had an embroidered swastika as its central decoration. This wasn't an endorsement of Nazism.

What's that got to do with choosing whether to wear women should or should not have the right to wear a headscarf?

Context is important.