March for women. A message from Conservatives

[whichphilosophy]

Women all over the world are standing up for women. Period. Some are international in their scope, some are not. Some focus on specific issues and legal matters, some are more general. Some are regressive left and believe that criticizing other cultures is taboo. Some just think we should take care of our own business even while condemning misogynistic beliefs and laws everywhere. Some of the marchers last week were there to support women's issues, but their main motivation was the dangerously stupid and bigoted moron and his ilk who now run our nation and have already begun efforts to dismantle democratic safeguards and benefits of citizenship that the morons don't even fucking comprehend.

You guys reek of desperation with these pitiful (but revealing) comments. It's like a bunch of 14 year olds have been told that women have developed teeth in our vagoos that we plan to use to bite off the testicles of all 14 year old boys and no one can stop us. Most 14 year olds would recognize the stupidity of this immediately but there's always going to be that percentage whose lives operate under fear of the delicate parts being shamed by women. Come cry to me when having testicles decides whether you get a job or a raise or you feel unsafe walking to your car in broad daylight because some owners of the other sexytime parts can't control their childish leering, and it doesn't matter what their intentions are if you don't know what their intentions are. Almost every girl and woman who live outside of a cave experiences situations of this nature on a regular basis. Women know what men do to women routinely in our society and others, and we wish our fears were merely about you shaming our pussies. Even when men truly are discriminated against for no other reason than that they have testicles, it's just as wrong, but subjugation of men isn't ingrained into the substrate of our society.

Not everyone is equipped to adapt successfully to a fast changing world where no one is in charge. The bonds between women around the world are strengthening. We're adapting.

Women are increasingly standing up for women. What rights of women outside of the US did the marchers support?

 

[bilby]

There are always men--or creatures who believe they are men but who are only stunted males who cannot quite reach the actual maturity of manhood with all the responsibilities that such entails but who only feel powerful if they are telling some woman or women what to do and how to do it and all the ways they aren't quite satisfying whatever demands these...persons feel it is their right to set forth and command. They aren't worth any response--not even a pitying laugh of derision.

I only used to receive comments when I was single and trying to impress women on a first date.

I would never dream of telling tell women how to protest.

and yet...

However, wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some took a few minutes off from tilting at windmills this is such a golden opportunity to also highlight human rights violations against Women in some Middle Eastern countries.

Unbe-fucking-lievable

I also mentioned a lot of irrelevant groups in the UK.

Yes. But mentioning irrelevancies is kinda your thing, so nobody's surprised.

Whereas doing the thing you just said you would never dream of doing, in your very next sentence, is ridiculous even by your extraordinarily low standards.

You do know that we are all laughing at your ineptitude, right? I mean, nobody's taking anything you say seriously anymore. Possibly not even you.

 

[Angry Floof]

Women are increasingly standing up for women. What rights of women outside of the US did the marchers support?

What the fuck is wrong with you? I challenge you to go find the answer to that on your own. Even a right wing authoritarian follower can figure out Google. You can also check throughout this thread to get a few hints if you're too lazy to do a google search.

 

[rousseau]

Women all over the world are standing up for women. Period. Some are international in their scope, some are not. Some focus on specific issues and legal matters, some are more general. Some are regressive left and believe that criticizing other cultures is taboo. Some just think we should take care of our own business even while condemning misogynistic beliefs and laws everywhere. Some of the marchers last week were there to support women's issues, but their main motivation was the dangerously stupid and bigoted moron and his ilk who now run our nation and have already begun efforts to dismantle democratic safeguards and benefits of citizenship that the morons don't even fucking comprehend.

You guys reek of desperation with these pitiful (but revealing) comments. It's like a bunch of 14 year olds have been told that women have developed teeth in our vagoos that we plan to use to bite off the testicles of all 14 year old boys and no one can stop us. Most 14 year olds would recognize the stupidity of this immediately but there's always going to be that percentage whose lives operate under fear of the delicate parts being shamed by women. Come cry to me when having testicles decides whether you get a job or a raise or you feel unsafe walking to your car in broad daylight because some owners of the other sexytime parts can't control their childish leering, and it doesn't matter what their intentions are if you don't know what their intentions are. Almost every girl and woman who live outside of a cave experiences situations of this nature on a regular basis. Women know what men do to women routinely in our society and others, and we wish our fears were merely about you shaming our pussies. Even when men truly are discriminated against for no other reason than that they have testicles, it's just as wrong, but subjugation of men isn't ingrained into the substrate of our society.

Not everyone is equipped to adapt successfully to a fast changing world where no one is in charge. The bonds between women around the world are strengthening. We're adapting.

Women are increasingly standing up for women. What rights of women outside of the US did the marchers support?

What rights of women outside of the US did you support? Or do you just spend your time online bitching about people trying to make the world a better place?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Women are increasingly standing up for women. What rights of women outside of the US did the marchers support?

What the fuck is wrong with you? I challenge you to go find the answer to that on your own. Even a right wing authoritarian follower can figure out Google. You can also check throughout this thread to get a few hints if you're too lazy to do a google search.

There are plenty of examples of women supporting women's rights around the world. My point is what evidence is there on these marches and I cannot find any. I take it there is none.

 

[Rhea]

I would never dream of telling tell women how to protest.

wait for it, wait for it...

However,

On your marks, get set,

wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some took a few minutes off from

Go! There it is. Wouldn't it be nice if they did things my way?

No, it actually would not. We've been fighting for women's rights, ALL women's rights, for a very long time. Someone recently defined "ManSplainin' " as that feeling when you set out on a car trip and put an interesting radio channel on, only to be constantly interrupted by the GPS telling you how to get out of your own fucking neighborhood.

You're like that.

tilting at windmills

Recall from the text that "tilting at windmills" was fighting benign, mundane, non harmful farm implements because you are insane and think they are fire-breathing dragons.

So after insulting people by telling them that they are insanely attacking figments of their imaginations,

piss off.

 

[RavenSky]

I would never dream of telling tell women how to protest.

And yet here you are doing just that.

However, wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some <snip> also highlight human rights violations against Women in some Middle Eastern countries.

Yep. Good thing some are doing just that.

Now drop your bullshit

 

[whichphilosophy]

I only used to receive comments when I was single and trying to impress women on a first date.

I would never dream of telling tell women how to protest.

and yet...

However, wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some took a few minutes off from tilting at windmills this is such a golden opportunity to also highlight human rights violations against Women in some Middle Eastern countries.

Unbe-fucking-lievable

I also mentioned a lot of irrelevant groups in the UK.

Yes. But mentioning irrelevancies is kinda your thing, so nobody's surprised.

Whereas doing the thing you just said you would never dream of doing, in your very next sentence, is ridiculous even by your extraordinarily low standards.

You do know that we are all laughing at your ineptitude, right? I mean, nobody's taking anything you say seriously anymore. Possibly not even you.

Your bobbing and weaving around the issue. No support for women's rights in the Middle East on these marches right?

 

[whichphilosophy]

And yet here you are doing just that.

However, wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some <snip> also highlight human rights violations against Women in some Middle Eastern countries.

Yep. Good thing some are doing just that.

Now drop your bullshit

I didn't tell them how to protest but I did ask if they were taking an opportunity to protest against abuses of women in the Middle East as there are Muslim female activists involved. Unfortunately none of this did happen.

 

[RavenSky]

No support for women's rights in the Middle East on these marches right?

wrong.

Now stop moving your goalposts on this bullshit bunch of baiting

 

[bilby]

and yet...

However, wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some took a few minutes off from tilting at windmills this is such a golden opportunity to also highlight human rights violations against Women in some Middle Eastern countries.

Unbe-fucking-lievable

I also mentioned a lot of irrelevant groups in the UK.

Yes. But mentioning irrelevancies is kinda your thing, so nobody's surprised.

Whereas doing the thing you just said you would never dream of doing, in your very next sentence, is ridiculous even by your extraordinarily low standards.

You do know that we are all laughing at your ineptitude, right? I mean, nobody's taking anything you say seriously anymore. Possibly not even you.

Your bobbing and weaving around the issue. No support for women's rights in the Middle East on these marches right?

*You're

 

[whichphilosophy]

No support for women's rights in the Middle East on these marches right?

wrong.

Now stop moving your goalposts on this bullshit bunch of baiting

I checked the internet but the site does provide some valid reasons but it is not specifically for women's rights


https://www.womensmarchlondon.com/update-faq/

4. Why call yourselves Women's March on ...?
The march was given its name by those who started this initiative in Washington DC. In solidarity, we adopted the name as the march is spearheaded BY women, but importantly is FOR everyone.

5. Is the march about women's rights?
The Women's March on London is not specifically about women's rights only. However, women's rights are human rights and for that we will gladly take to the street and march.

 

[Rhea]

and yet...

However, wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some took a few minutes off from tilting at windmills this is such a golden opportunity to also highlight human rights violations against Women in some Middle Eastern countries.

Unbe-fucking-lievable

I also mentioned a lot of irrelevant groups in the UK.

Yes. But mentioning irrelevancies is kinda your thing, so nobody's surprised.

Whereas doing the thing you just said you would never dream of doing, in your very next sentence, is ridiculous even by your extraordinarily low standards.

You do know that we are all laughing at your ineptitude, right? I mean, nobody's taking anything you say seriously anymore. Possibly not even you.

Your bobbing and weaving around the issue. No support for women's rights in the Middle East on these marches right?

We are not bobbing and weaving. I am taking the reins and not letting you dictate what it meant to anyone. I am deciding not to engage in a derail that can't be separated from its insults. I don't want to play your game. sorry-not-sorry.

There were estimated 500,000 people there. The signs were as varied as the people. We were advocating for issues that we want our government to pay attention to. Among those are "Women's Rights are Human Rights" on a global scale. Among them were sex trafficking, LGBT rights, equal pay, freedom from assault, rape and marriage slavery; reproductive rights, education, racial equality, economic equality

You're being a boor.

I did not hear any of the speakers. I have no idea what they said, but I suspect if you did then you misinterpreted it. I saw probably less than 1/10 of the total people there - I couldn't even find my sister, and we had a planned meeting spot. Everyone on our bus saw a different angle on the March which we loved discussing on the long ride home. There were hijabs there, there were vagina hats there, there were kids there, there were men there. There were signs about all sorts of issues - because there are a lot when the world is filled with men who decide they ought to do women's thinking for them, as you do.

And you haven't figured that out yet, Mr. "tilting at windmills" throwing out demeaning insult bombs and then accuse people of not taking my conversation seriously, that your question has already been answered.

I don't actually care one iota what you think we "should have" marched about, since you can't even figure out what we _did_ march about. Your kind of thinking is part of the problem.

There were over 500,000 people in Washington, more than 3 million worldwide, and you're trying to tell me out of all the issues that were present and discussed that one of them "should" have been covered by one particular representative, me?

Are you going to tell us if we can't convince you that it was the main focus of the march then the whole thing was a waste of time, that there's no other issue? Oh, wait, you already did try that. "Tilting at windmills."

Can't even figure out what happened. How do you breathe without a machine?

 

[Rhea]

To add: if you're seriously, actually unaware that women are on the forefront of gaining rights of autonomy for ALL women, then you're not paying attention and haven't been for all of your life.

 

[laughing dog]

And yet here you are doing just that.

Yep. Good thing some are doing just that.

Now drop your bullshit

I didn't tell them how to protest but I did ask if they were taking an opportunity to protest against abuses of women in the Middle East as there are Muslim female activists involved.

Why do you think you should women what they should protest against? Especially when your posts have made it abundantly clear that you have absolutely no clue what went on at those marches.

 

[whichphilosophy]

and yet...

However, wouldn’t it be so-o-o nice if some took a few minutes off from tilting at windmills this is such a golden opportunity to also highlight human rights violations against Women in some Middle Eastern countries.

Unbe-fucking-lievable

I also mentioned a lot of irrelevant groups in the UK.

Yes. But mentioning irrelevancies is kinda your thing, so nobody's surprised.

Whereas doing the thing you just said you would never dream of doing, in your very next sentence, is ridiculous even by your extraordinarily low standards.

You do know that we are all laughing at your ineptitude, right? I mean, nobody's taking anything you say seriously anymore. Possibly not even you.

Your bobbing and weaving around the issue. No support for women's rights in the Middle East on these marches right?

We are not bobbing and weaving. I am taking the reins and not letting you dictate what it meant to anyone. I am deciding not to engage in a derail that can't be separated from its insults. I don't want to play your game. sorry-not-sorry.

There were estimated 500,000 people there. The signs were as varied as the people. We were advocating for issues that we want our government to pay attention to. Among those are "Women's Rights are Human Rights" on a global scale. Among them were sex trafficking, LGBT rights, equal pay, freedom from assault, rape and marriage slavery; reproductive rights, education, racial equality, economic equality

You're being a boor.

I did not hear any of the speakers. I have no idea what they said, but I suspect if you did then you misinterpreted it. I saw probably less than 1/10 of the total people there - I couldn't even find my sister, and we had a planned meeting spot. Everyone on our bus saw a different angle on the March which we loved discussing on the long ride home. There were hijabs there, there were vagina hats there, there were kids there, there were men there. There were signs about all sorts of issues - because there are a lot when the world is filled with men who decide they ought to do women's thinking for them, as you do.

And you haven't figured that out yet, Mr. "tilting at windmills" throwing out demeaning insult bombs and then accuse people of not taking my conversation seriously, that your question has already been answered.

I don't actually care one iota what you think we "should have" marched about, since you can't even figure out what we _did_ march about. Your kind of thinking is part of the problem.

There were over 500,000 people in Washington, more than 3 million worldwide, and you're trying to tell me out of all the issues that were present and discussed that one of them "should" have been covered by one particular representative, me?

Are you going to tell us if we can't convince you that it was the main focus of the march then the whole thing was a waste of time, that there's no other issue? Oh, wait, you already did try that. "Tilting at windmills."

Can't even figure out what happened. How do you breathe without a machine?

Can you provide the reference from the Womens March Website to paragraph 2 (and the price of breathing machines). In the UK there wereseveral groups there LBGT, political groups (e.g 50:50 party), Muslims, Feminist groups, Amnesty International (not sure if it attended), Oxfam and other groups.
I couldn't see specific reference. I did quote earlier from the UK Women's March
I can't fault the guiding principles (As an organisation) which are sound such as rights to abortion equal pay for women for equal work, LBGT rights, access to healthcare, minority rights. The march itself seems to be more about Trump.

 

[whichphilosophy]

To add: if you're seriously, actually unaware that women are on the forefront of gaining rights of autonomy for ALL women, then you're not paying attention and haven't been for all of your life.

There are many who are and who did so but I was not seeing this in this particular March. As a trade Union member some years ago we secured equal pay for all women in UK retail shops that were unionised. I was just a small cog attendee to campaigns.

 

[Arctish]

To add: if you're seriously, actually unaware that women are on the forefront of gaining rights of autonomy for ALL women, then you're not paying attention and haven't been for all of your life.

There are many who are and who did so but I was not seeing this in this particular March.

Well, that's to be expected.

You weren't there, you aren't omnipotent, and you've barely begun to research what went on during the Women's March, so of course you wouldn't know if one particular aspect of women's rights was addressed in a manner you prefer.

You keep arguing that you haven't heard that women spoke out against the hijab at the various marches, therefore it must not have happened. That's an Argument From Ignorance, and it's a fallacy.

As a trade Union member some years ago we secured equal pay for all women in UK retail shops that were unionised. I was just a small cog attendee to campaigns.

Cool.

 

[Rhea]

To add: if you're seriously, actually unaware that women are on the forefront of gaining rights of autonomy for ALL women, then you're not paying attention and haven't been for all of your life.

There are many who are and who did so but I was not seeing this in this particular March. As a trade Union member some years ago we secured equal pay for all women in UK retail shops that were unionised. I was just a small cog attendee to campaigns.

Are you STILL going on about how there were hundred of thousands of individuals issues but you'd really like me to provide proof that THIS ONE was there?

It was, but I am not going to do your homework for you. For a couple of reasons:
1. you will argue about whatever evidence I show, and I don't care if you are convinced. This wasn't about you.
2. I have no interest in belittling the _rest_ of the march and marchers just to turn the conversation, at your whim, to your pet cause only.
3. The exercise of really trying to find the ways in which it was included will expose you t the myriad other reasons the march was necessary.


I've already said elsewhere why I went.
It was not for me. I am pretty well insulated against harm. Not perfectly, but pretty well. I did not march for middle class white women beyond their childbearing years. Even my daughter was not high on my list because she enjoys the same protections I do, and I can provide for the gap. Her signs did not only apply to herself; she, too, was thinking more of others than of herself.

I went for those who do not have control of their own lives. For those who do not have the means to be in control. For those who have been fighting for their own rights for so long that they are exhausted and I will carry their banner. For those whose health and life and welfare are in jeopardy, or could be. I went because for too long minority communities have suffered setbacks and harm and lasting institutional biases that make them unable to achieve the same goals given the same work ethic. I went for the mentally and physically disabled and the elderly. All of whom are even worse off when they are women.

You've been a boor and prick throughout this discussion. Pushing to turn a global mulitifaceted march to your own cause, repeating several times your taunt about the meaninglessness of the march in your eyes.

March gave me solidarity and strength. And you can piss off your little effort to make it all about you.

 

[Rhea]

Since you appear too married to your own derail to detect it, I will spell it out for you.
The March website did not define us all. We did not all adhere to the messages of the website. Many people arrived without ever having read the website. The organizers, as far as I'm concerned did a fabulous job at securing permits and toilets and the headcount necessary to get extra trains into service. I applaud them for that.