Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Nazis want to take over the country and kill people. If you beat them up, you're a pussy, because you should be doing a lot worse.

Your argument is filled with intellectual dishonesty and slander. I DO NOT believe in hurting someone merely for having different political opinions. So you already have AN ANSWER. End of discussion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

 

[untermensche]

I don't personally know Milo, but there's a whole thread about him being censored.

He's not being censored in the least, by anyone.

He can write or say anything he wants to.

He just can't do it any place he wants to.

But if he wants to write a manifesto or host a pod cast he is free to do so.

Nothing he wants to say is being stopped by anyone.

This is an imaginary fantasy.

 

[fast]

Can we create an official document (like a certificate of appreciation) to pass out to law-biding peaceful protesters voicing their opinions in the public in recognition for acting on their rights to make for a better world while simultaneously enacting a constitutionally acceptable law that provides for some form of physical punishment (waterboarding comes to mind) for those select few protesters that act in an unlawful manner ... to get out two messages: 1) lawful protests are not only acceptable but welcome and 2) unlawful protests are both unacceptable and unwelcome?

 

[Rhea]

It sounds like someone is being "censored" if a business/college/institution decides to cancel their speech because they receive an outpouring of objections from their customer base.

Is this like saying responding to boycotts equals censorship?
Who knew?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

This is an imaginary fantasy.

True, it's not like there were riots, property destruction, fires, and violence involved. None of that.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Your argument is filled with intellectual dishonesty and slander. I DO NOT believe in hurting someone merely for having different political opinions. So you already have AN ANSWER. End of discussion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Since I did not write that merely someone disagreeing politically is a cause for violence, it would appear you jumped to a conclusion and then continue to slander me.

 

[whichphilosophy]

It sounds like someone is being "censored" if a business/college/institution decides to cancel their speech because they receive an outpouring of objections from their customer base.

Is this like saying responding to boycotts equals censorship?
Who knew?

If attendance is optional how is it boycotting if they decide not to come? However boycotting extends to censorship when this is extended to try and stop others attending such events, cause destruction even attack people or turn up and shout down the speaker. Some take a pride in this.
Universities are supposed to be halls of knowledge and debate.

I picked some Youtubes on Milo but cannot see any reason to simply ban him. He can't be homophobic since he's gay, and likes black men.

 

[bilby]

He can't be homophobic since he's gay,

Have you been living under a rock? The worst homophobes are usually gay.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Mr Pie sums up my opinion precisely.

I concur.

 

[whichphilosophy]

He can't be homophobic since he's gay,

Have you been living under a rock? The worst homophobes are usually gay.

It does sometimes happen. He's open about his gayness and I haven't seen anything on the youtubes that suggest he is a threat to anything.

 

[untermensche]

It sounds like someone is being "censored" if a business/college/institution decides to cancel their speech because they receive an outpouring of objections from their customer base.

Is this like saying responding to boycotts equals censorship?
Who knew?

There is no right to speak in all places. People have the right to say to any speaker, "You are no longer welcome".

If he can publish his speech and freely circulate it then there is no censorship.

 

[repoman]

It sounds like someone is being "censored" if a business/college/institution decides to cancel their speech because they receive an outpouring of objections from their customer base.

Is this like saying responding to boycotts equals censorship?
Who knew?

There is no right to speak in all places. People have the right to say to any speaker, "You are no longer welcome".

If he can publish his speech and freely circulate it then there is no censorship.

Way back when this guy was speaking, I would bet that some left wing, gay or otherwise "morally decadent" speakers would not be allowed to speak in many places. But it would be cool, because it would not be real censorship.

 

[LordKiran]

There is no right to speak in all places. People have the right to say to any speaker, "You are no longer welcome".

If he can publish his speech and freely circulate it then there is no censorship.

Way back when this guy was speaking, I would bet that some left wing, gay or otherwise "morally decadent" speakers would not be allowed to speak in many places. But it would be cool, because it would not be real censorship.

Question.

Were any of the places that Milo was denied the ability to speak at publicly owned?

 

[Arctish]

It sounds like someone is being "censored" if a business/college/institution decides to cancel their speech because they receive an outpouring of objections from their customer base.

Is this like saying responding to boycotts equals censorship?
Who knew?

If attendance is optional how is it boycotting if they decide not to come? However boycotting extends to censorship when this is extended to try and stop others attending such events, cause destruction even attack people or turn up and shout down the speaker. Some take a pride in this.
Universities are supposed to be halls of knowledge and debate.

I picked some Youtubes on Milo but cannot see any reason to simply ban him. He can't be homophobic since he's gay, and likes black men.

Yiannopoulos claims he used to walk around with a color strip they use in paint stores so he could hold it up against a guy's skin to see if he was dark enough for him to fuck. He self identifies as a sociopath and is probably the most well known misogynist troll on the internet. He instigated and led the harassment, bullying, and threats to Brianna Wu and Anita Sarkesian, as well as the recent over-the-top harassment of Leslie Jones.

He's a Grade A asshole who thinks being a sociopath makes him cooler than everyone else.

I don't believe he should be silenced. I also don't believe he should be admired or encouraged. I certainly don't think he should be coddled. And I don't believe the 1,500 people having a peaceful protest against his hateful spew should be blamed for what the hundred or so violent, mask-wearing thugs did when they arrived an masse to stir shit up.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Milo Yiannopoulos event at UC Berkeley canceled after protests



And even though many violent crimes were committed ...

No arrests were made throughout the night.

Is the local police incompetent or just aiding and abetting the leftist rioters?

Also Yiannopoulos is one of the most sensible alt-righters IMHO. I don't agree with his views. But he's at least capable of forming coherrent arguments. Just the kind of person who should visit universities

 

[repoman]

If attendance is optional how is it boycotting if they decide not to come? However boycotting extends to censorship when this is extended to try and stop others attending such events, cause destruction even attack people or turn up and shout down the speaker. Some take a pride in this.
Universities are supposed to be halls of knowledge and debate.

I picked some Youtubes on Milo but cannot see any reason to simply ban him. He can't be homophobic since he's gay, and likes black men.

Yiannopoulos claims he used to walk around with a color strip they use in paint stores so he could hold it up against a guy's skin to see if he was dark enough for him to fuck. He self identifies as a sociopath and is probably the most well known misogynist troll on the internet. He instigated and led the harassment, bullying, and threats to Brianna Wu and Anita Sarkesian, as well as the recent over-the-top harassment of Leslie Jones.

He's a Grade A asshole who thinks being a sociopath makes him cooler than everyone else.

I don't believe he should be silenced. I also don't believe he should be admired or encouraged. I certainly don't think he should be coddled. And I don't believe the 1,500 people having a peaceful protest against his hateful spew should be blamed for what the hundred or so violent, mask-wearing thugs did when they arrived an masse to stir shit up.

I used to follow Milo on twitter a lot. I NEVER saw any real evidence that he was sexing up black guys. I only saw him taking selfies with thin twenty-something white guys in his bed - could have been 3-4 different guys.

I would that say that probably makes him a liar on this topic as well.

 

[Elixir]

Anarchists, NOT Cal students, responsible for violence in UC Berkeley protests

Anarchists are contra free speech?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Not if you're saying something that they agree with. It's only when you say something that they disagree with that they're in favour of a strong, heavy-handed government censoring people. It's like how libertarians are against welfare for people who aren't them.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Since I did not write that merely someone disagreeing politically is a cause for violence, it would appear you jumped to a conclusion and then continue to slander me.

Since you keep thinking I'm misrepresenting you then you should put it plainly.

If someone holds the political opinion of fascism, but whose personal behavior doesn't include personally initiating any violation of rights against another person, do you believe violence against that person is justified? Responding with "fascism isn't a political opinion" is both completely false and ducking the question.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Yiannopoulos claims he used to walk around with a color strip they use in paint stores so he could hold it up against a guy's skin to see if he was dark enough for him to fuck. He self identifies as a sociopath and is probably the most well known misogynist troll on the internet. He instigated and led the harassment, bullying, and threats to Brianna Wu and Anita Sarkesian, as well as the recent over-the-top harassment of Leslie Jones.

He's a Grade A asshole who thinks being a sociopath makes him cooler than everyone else.

I don't believe he should be silenced. I also don't believe he should be admired or encouraged. I certainly don't think he should be coddled. And I don't believe the 1,500 people having a peaceful protest against his hateful spew should be blamed for what the hundred or so violent, mask-wearing thugs did when they arrived an masse to stir shit up.

I used to follow Milo on twitter a lot. I NEVER saw any real evidence that he was sexing up black guys. I only saw him taking selfies with thin twenty-something white guys in his bed - could have been 3-4 different guys.

I would that say that probably makes him a liar on this topic as well.

There's nothing wrong with this if it's consensual.