Where is Bernie Goetz when you need him?

[Toni]

I also said he knew the "gun" was illegal so he tried to ditch it when confronted by the cops.

This is a flat out false statement

It is indeed. Of course Loren will never make any attempt to provide any evidence. At least in part because I truly believe that he lumps all blacks into one single group called 'thug' and cannot differentiate between someone who is a career criminal and someone who is a kid playing on the playground. I truly don't think it matters to him.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You claimed he learned his thuggish lifestyle from his mother. So, in essence, you called two black people thugs even though you have no clue how they actually lived their lives.

I said he learned to fear cops. I didn't say he was a thug.

Fear cops, you mean that officer that was let go by the Independence Police dept because they felt he lacked the maturity to handle a firearm while on duty... and arrived on site like a rocket and jumped out, shot Tamir Rice and without giving Rice time to fear shit?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Are you saying I didn't say that?!

Or that he didn't know the "gun" was illegal? He was warned about the lack of the orange tip.

1. It was not a gun
2. Allegedly having another child - who is the one who admits to taking the orange tip off - supposedly saying something about it needing an orange tip is not a "warning"
3. He did NOT try to "ditch it when confronted by the cops"

I am so fucking sick of you repeating these blatant falsehoods over and over as if you think the rest of us don't remember the FACTS of this case. I don't recall if you personally used the word "thug" to describe Tamir Rice (though at least a few people here most certainly did), but the blatant falsehoods you keep repeating are just as bad. You keep demonizing this child who was essentially murdered by the two incompetent cops.

Dude, just join us in their bubble. Life is simpler in there.

Bring a spray can please.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Are you saying I didn't say that?!

Or that he didn't know the "gun" was illegal? He was warned about the lack of the orange tip.

1. It was not a gun
2. Allegedly having another child - who is the one who admits to taking the orange tip off - supposedly saying something about it needing an orange tip is not a "warning"
3. He did NOT try to "ditch it when confronted by the cops"

I am so fucking sick of you repeating these blatant falsehoods over and over as if you think the rest of us don't remember the FACTS of this case. I don't recall if you personally used the word "thug" to describe Tamir Rice (though at least a few people here most certainly did), but the blatant falsehoods you keep repeating are just as bad. You keep demonizing this child who was essentially murdered by the two incompetent cops.

Why do you think I put quotes around "gun", if not to indicate that it wasn't really a gun?

You deciding he didn't try to ditch it doesn't make it so. The most logical behavior for him that matches what we saw is that he was trying to ditch it.

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I said he learned to fear cops. I didn't say he was a thug.

Fear cops, you mean that officer that was let go by the Independence Police dept because they felt he lacked the maturity to handle a firearm while on duty... and arrived on site like a rocket and jumped out, shot Tamir Rice and without giving Rice time to fear shit?

These days police departments throw cops under the bus as PR moves. Thus we shouldn't read anything into his dismissal.

 

[laughing dog]

You deciding he didn't try to ditch it doesn't make it so.

You assuming he was trying to ditch his toy does not make it so. Just like you assuming Tamir Rice feared the police does not make it so.

The most logical behavior for him that matches what we saw is that he was trying to ditch it.

Not to anyone who watched that video with their eyes open.

These days police departments throw cops under the bus as PR moves. Thus we shouldn't read anything into his dismissal.

Since his dismissal came before he did anything wrong, why wouldn't a rational person read anything into his fitness to be a police officer?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

1. It was not a gun
2. Allegedly having another child - who is the one who admits to taking the orange tip off - supposedly saying something about it needing an orange tip is not a "warning"
3. He did NOT try to "ditch it when confronted by the cops"

I am so fucking sick of you repeating these blatant falsehoods over and over as if you think the rest of us don't remember the FACTS of this case. I don't recall if you personally used the word "thug" to describe Tamir Rice (though at least a few people here most certainly did), but the blatant falsehoods you keep repeating are just as bad. You keep demonizing this child who was essentially murdered by the two incompetent cops.

Why do you think I put quotes around "gun", if not to indicate that it wasn't really a gun?

You deciding he didn't try to ditch it doesn't make it so. The most logical behavior for him that matches what we saw is that he was trying to ditch it.

Except he didn't have time to do anything. And why would he ditch a fake gun?

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I said he learned to fear cops. I didn't say he was a thug.

Fear cops, you mean that officer that was let go by the Independence Police dept because they felt he lacked the maturity to handle a firearm while on duty... and arrived on site like a rocket and jumped out, shot Tamir Rice and without giving Rice time to fear shit?

These days police departments throw cops under the bus as PR moves. Thus we shouldn't read anything into his dismissal.

Yeah LP, you may need to concentrate a bit harder. This was before the shooting, because this was when he worked for Independence, not Cleveland. There was no PR incident in Independence, just the bosses who thought he didn't have needed mental maturity for the position.

So do you want to try again, or will you just evade via your typical methods?

 

[RavenSky]

You deciding he didn't try to ditch it doesn't make it so. The most logical behavior for him that matches what we saw is that he was trying to ditch it.

Bullshit on your bogus claim that "we saw" him trying to ditch it. We all saw the same video clip, so we know your alt-facts are total fabrications. But as I said before, this is a perfect example of you demonizing a young black boy even if you didn't use the specific word "thug" this time.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Can cops with bad attitudes and lack of competence be called thugs? Do we have a thug cop problem?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Can cops with bad attitudes and lack of competence be called thugs? Do we have a thug cop problem?

Certainly. But the trouble isn't them, it is their thug fans who defend every thuggish action a thug cop (#notallcops) takes, including shooting a person who threw a rock.

 

[Toni]

Can cops with bad attitudes and lack of competence be called thugs? Do we have a thug cop problem?

Certainly. But the trouble isn't them, it is their thug fans who defend every thuggish action a thug cop (#notallcops) takes, including shooting a person who threw a rock.

Eh, the trouble is also with thuggish cops. After all, it is they who shoot 12 year olds playing on the playground.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Certainly. But the trouble isn't them, it is their thug fans who defend every thuggish action a thug cop (#notallcops) takes, including shooting a person who threw a rock.

Eh, the trouble is also with thuggish cops. After all, it is they who shoot 12 year olds playing on the playground.

We had a case where a kid brandished a fake gun, a couple houses down from me, as if it were real. Somehow he wasn't killed by Police when they got involved. Maybe Akron is a bit more selective on who they give a gun to.

 

[Malintent]

Can cops with bad attitudes and lack of competence be called thugs? Do we have a thug cop problem?

Yes, and yes, I think we do have a thug cop problem. Any person that physically coerces or threatens another is acting "thuggish".

 

[Malintent]

Eh, the trouble is also with thuggish cops. After all, it is they who shoot 12 year olds playing on the playground.

We had a case where a kid brandished a fake gun, a couple houses down from me, as if it were real. Somehow he wasn't killed by Police when they got involved. Maybe Akron is a bit more selective on who they give a gun to.

or, the call when into the cops indicating it wa sa toy gun and the kid was just being a nuisance with it.
or, the gun was not illegally modified so that it appeared like a real gun (bright orange tip in place and clearly visible).
or, maybe those cops were just better trained... but there are a lot of possibilities besides the race or geography of those involved.

 

[Toni]

We had a case where a kid brandished a fake gun, a couple houses down from me, as if it were real. Somehow he wasn't killed by Police when they got involved. Maybe Akron is a bit more selective on who they give a gun to.

or, the call when into the cops indicating it wa sa toy gun and the kid was just being a nuisance with it.
or, the gun was not illegally modified so that it appeared like a real gun (bright orange tip in place and clearly visible).
or, maybe those cops were just better trained... but there are a lot of possibilities besides the race or geography of those involved.

Sure. Those are possibilities. But the caller in the Tamir Rice case indicated that they thought it was just a toy.

And if you get a call that there is someone in the park with a gun (no shots fired), the appropriate action to take is not to drive up on someone and start firing. They didn't even verify that they had the right 'suspect.' They just killed a 12 year old in under 3 seconds. The only thing that could have possibly justified that action is if there were shots fired. So such thing happened. They killed a kid in under 3 seconds for no reason. Except that they were afraid. Because he was black.

Fact is that people on this board kept saying that Tamir Rice LOOKED like an adult (no he didn't) because he was taller/heavier than the average 12 year old, that he was reaching for his gun (no he wasn't, even if you count his toy as a gun), and all manner of things that were not shown on the video. When I watched it, it was obvious to me that the person was a child, was moving towards the police car with a great deal of uncertainty, the way a kid will do if he thinks he's maybe in trouble but doesn't know what he did wrong. Everything in the video shows Tamir Rice's body language to be that of a child who was uncertain, wanting to please. I don't think he ever knew what hit him. Or why. And why should he have? It should never have happened. Period.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

We had a case where a kid brandished a fake gun, a couple houses down from me, as if it were real. Somehow he wasn't killed by Police when they got involved. Maybe Akron is a bit more selective on who they give a gun to.

or, the call when into the cops indicating it wa sa toy gun and the kid was just being a nuisance with it.
or, the gun was not illegally modified so that it appeared like a real gun (bright orange tip in place and clearly visible).
or, maybe those cops were just better trained... but there are a lot of possibilities besides the race or geography of those involved.

This is the second time you have injected racism in to my post when I didn't even suggest such a thing. All I stated was that the cop was unqualified to be a cop based on another Police Dept's conclusion about him. The race of the victim and shooter was not even mentioned in my post. So please stop with that.

 

[LordKiran]

We had a case where a kid brandished a fake gun, a couple houses down from me, as if it were real. Somehow he wasn't killed by Police when they got involved. Maybe Akron is a bit more selective on who they give a gun to.

or, the call when into the cops indicating it wa sa toy gun and the kid was just being a nuisance with it.
or, the gun was not illegally modified so that it appeared like a real gun (bright orange tip in place and clearly visible).
or, maybe those cops were just better trained... but there are a lot of possibilities besides the race or geography of those involved.

Let me ask you a question: Let's (Purely for the sake of argument) assume that the gun was real. So what? How do the officers know the guy isn't considering suicide? Does that not even cross your mind for a second? Maybe he was waiting for someone to kill him, but the police got their first in which case, shooting him is unnecessary. Maybe he found it and is trying to give it back to whomever it belongs to. Unlikely? Maybe. But you don't know that for sure.

Point being, there's no reason for the cops to shoot first and ask questions later. At all. Period. Full stop. End of sentence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

or, the call when into the cops indicating it wa sa toy gun and the kid was just being a nuisance with it.
or, the gun was not illegally modified so that it appeared like a real gun (bright orange tip in place and clearly visible).
or, maybe those cops were just better trained... but there are a lot of possibilities besides the race or geography of those involved.

The caller didn't know it was a toy, just suspected it. Information like that isn't going to be passed along to the cops.

 

[Toni]

or, the call when into the cops indicating it wa sa toy gun and the kid was just being a nuisance with it.
or, the gun was not illegally modified so that it appeared like a real gun (bright orange tip in place and clearly visible).
or, maybe those cops were just better trained... but there are a lot of possibilities besides the race or geography of those involved.

The caller didn't know it was a toy, just suspected it. Information like that isn't going to be passed along to the cops.

Yes, why hobble armed police officers with relevant information? Completely unnecessary when dealing with blacks. Just like how unnecessary it is to select officers who are emotionally stable or adequately trained. Or of sound mind and judgement. What's another dead black kid?

 

[laughing dog]

or, the call when into the cops indicating it wa sa toy gun and the kid was just being a nuisance with it.
or, the gun was not illegally modified so that it appeared like a real gun (bright orange tip in place and clearly visible).
or, maybe those cops were just better trained... but there are a lot of possibilities besides the race or geography of those involved.

The caller didn't know it was a toy, just suspected it. Information like that isn't going to be passed along to the cops.

I bet in Cleveland it is now.

 

[ZiprHead]

The caller didn't know it was a toy, just suspected it. Information like that isn't going to be passed along to the cops.

I bet in Cleveland it is now.

IIRC, the dispatcher was disciplined for not passing that info along.