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Hurricane Maria death toll near 5,000

I wouldn't really blame America here.

Puerto Rico was already just about a disaster area before the hurricane.

They had been running things on credit and their debt had reached unsustainable levels. There was a major shortfall in maintenance. The hurricane was far more the final straw than the primary cause.
 
I wouldn't really blame America here.

Puerto Rico was already just about a disaster area before the hurricane.

They had been running things on credit and their debt had reached unsustainable levels. There was a major shortfall in maintenance. The hurricane was far more the final straw than the primary cause.
What is wrong with you? Unsustainable level of debts do not cause 5,000+ deaths in a short period of time.


But, what the hell, Puerto Ricans aren't really Amerians, so this doesn't really matter at all.
 
What I want to know is what can we ordinary citizens do to make the US help? Besides ousting the GOP, I mean.
 
I wouldn't really blame America here.

Puerto Rico was already just about a disaster area before the hurricane.

They had been running things on credit and their debt had reached unsustainable levels. There was a major shortfall in maintenance. The hurricane was far more the final straw than the primary cause.

So it's OK if America fails to provide basic services if part of the country is in debt?

Given that the whole country is in debt, doesn't this mean we should just stop providing disaster relief to everyone? Then we truly can become the kind of third world country you are hoping for!

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So It's OK if America fails to provide basic services and disaster relief because Puerto Rico is in debt?

Huh.

OK. So are we going to stop providing disaster relief to all Americans? Or just the Spanish-speaking ones?
 
I wouldn't really blame America here.

Puerto Rico was already just about a disaster area before the hurricane.

They had been running things on credit and their debt had reached unsustainable levels. There was a major shortfall in maintenance. The hurricane was far more the final straw than the primary cause.
What is wrong with you? Unsustainable level of debts do not cause 5,000+ deaths in a short period of time.


But, what the hell, Puerto Ricans aren't really Amerians, so this doesn't really matter at all.

If someone is in debt, then they don't deserve to live. That's why the Nazis moved the Jews to ghettos before shipping them out to concentration camps. Once they were all poor, their lives stopped mattering, and so the Holocaust was therefore morally justified.
 
I wouldn't really blame America here.

Puerto Rico was already just about a disaster area before the hurricane.

They had been running things on credit and their debt had reached unsustainable levels. There was a major shortfall in maintenance. The hurricane was far more the final straw than the primary cause.
What is wrong with you? Unsustainable level of debts do not cause 5,000+ deaths in a short period of time.


But, what the hell, Puerto Ricans aren't really Amerians, so this doesn't really matter at all.

The thing is the hurricane was more the straw that broke the camel's back. The maintenance wasn't being done because people wanted social spending. That's the real reason for the catastrophe.

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So It's OK if America fails to provide basic services and disaster relief because Puerto Rico is in debt?

Huh.

OK. So are we going to stop providing disaster relief to all Americans? Or just the Spanish-speaking ones?

It's not that we shouldn't provide disaster assistance. It's that most of what's wrong isn't due to the disaster.
 
Not doing something is not necessarily a failure to do something. There needs to be an obligation.

I did not pay my neighbors debts, but I did not FAIL to pay my neighbors debts--as there was no obligation for ME to pay my NEIGHBORS debt.

If I have an OBLIGATION to do something and don't do that something, THEN that's a failure.

Let me guess. If someone SAYS I have an obligation, then the mere SAYING that I have an obligation makes it so. Nay, I don't think so.

If I take out a loan and don't pay it as agreed, then not only is it so that I have not paid it as agreed, I have failed to pay it as agreed, but that's because there was an ACTUAL obligation. One that's not made up, contrived--or delivered from the depths of shady shades of shallowness.
 
THis is a tough one...

On one hand, it's true that Puerto Rico is heavily in debt, it's infrastructure has been crappy for a long time now, and that these helped contribute to the death toll.

However:

First, this is in part due to long-term neglect of the Island - similar to what we've done to the Virgin Islands or Guam (ever want to see something seriously messed up? CHeck how we treat people born there.), and to be fair, part of this is actually long-term belligerence or malice.

And what's more - the US military has plenty of resources that could, and should, have been brought to bear, and simply were not, thanks in part to Dolt 45. Even GWB sent in the military after a few days of the New Orleans disaster in Katrina. Toupee Fiasco's negligence was, no doubt, at least in part due to his open hostility towards Hispanic people, and this showed clearly from the very first few days when he began bitching about how expensive it was, and how the US simply couldn't cover it (totally unlike the massive tax cuts for wealthy individuals and corporations), and so forth.

But he threw some paper towels, and handed out canned chickens (after being persuaded not to toss those at people's heads as well), so we're to believe that he's great.

Word?
 
The thing is the hurricane was more the straw that broke the camel's back. The maintenance wasn't being done because people wanted social spending. That's the real reason for the catastrophe.
First, the real reason for the catastrophe was the hurricane. Second, the OP is about the inadequacy of the response. But don't let either of those stop you from blaming those brown-skinned victims.
 
I wonder how many US states could bear such a massive disaster without help?
 
The thing is the hurricane was more the straw that broke the camel's back. The maintenance wasn't being done because people wanted social spending. That's the real reason for the catastrophe.
First, the real reason for the catastrophe was the hurricane. Second, the OP is about the inadequacy of the response. But don't let either of those stop you from blaming those brown-skinned victims.

I don't care the color of their skin. I'm fine with helping out after a hurricane. I'm not fine with being expected to pay for decades of infrastructure neglect while they used their money for social spending.
 
The thing is the hurricane was more the straw that broke the camel's back. The maintenance wasn't being done because people wanted social spending. That's the real reason for the catastrophe.
First, the real reason for the catastrophe was the hurricane. Second, the OP is about the inadequacy of the response. But don't let either of those stop you from blaming those brown-skinned victims.

I don't care the color of their skin.
You are blaming brown-skinned people for their deaths from a hurricane.
I'm fine with helping out after a hurricane. I'm not fine with being expected to pay for decades of infrastructure neglect while they used their money for social spending.
What does that have to do with the OP and blaming the victims? I will wager you did not even bother to read the linked article in the OP which clearly states the OP point that
The death rate is a contentious subject, in part because federal and island governments haven't responded as rapidly to the disaster as they have in other hurricane emergencies.
 
I don't care the color of their skin.
You are blaming brown-skinned people for their deaths from a hurricane.
I'm fine with helping out after a hurricane. I'm not fine with being expected to pay for decades of infrastructure neglect while they used their money for social spending.
What does that have to do with the OP and blaming the victims? I will wager you did not even bother to read the linked article in the OP which clearly states the OP point that
The death rate is a contentious subject, in part because federal and island governments haven't responded as rapidly to the disaster as they have in other hurricane emergencies.

What were the additional deaths due to not responding as rapidly as other hurricane emergencies? The study in the OP didn't even attempt to address that question.
 
The thing is the hurricane was more the straw that broke the camel's back. The maintenance wasn't being done because people wanted social spending. That's the real reason for the catastrophe.
First, the real reason for the catastrophe was the hurricane. Second, the OP is about the inadequacy of the response. But don't let either of those stop you from blaming those brown-skinned victims.

I don't care the color of their skin. I'm fine with helping out after a hurricane. I'm not fine with being expected to pay for decades of infrastructure neglect while they used their money for social spending.

Yes, YES! Because when I think of somewhere to go where there's plenty of social welfare, cash and fine, fine safety net, I think of Puerto Rico?
 
The thing is the hurricane was more the straw that broke the camel's back. The maintenance wasn't being done because people wanted social spending. That's the real reason for the catastrophe.

Bullshit

So It's OK if America fails to provide basic services and disaster relief because Puerto Rico is in debt? Huh. OK. So are we going to stop providing disaster relief to all Americans? Or just the Spanish-speaking ones?

It's not that we shouldn't provide disaster assistance. It's that most of what's wrong isn't due to the disaster.

As to the bolded, through zero intended factual accuracy on your part, you are correct. Our federal government caused the disasterous situation that preceded Hurricane Irma and Maria.


But that STILL doesn't address why Trump failed so miserably to help U.S. citizens after Maria.
 
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