Opoponax
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https://nypost.com/2018/06/03/giuliani-trump-couldnt-be-indicted-even-if-he-shot-comey/
The point is that impeachment is a political process. Trump this morning, continued that line of that "reasoning."
So with this line of reasoning, Mike Pence could blow Trump's brains out himself, have himself sworn in, immediately pardon himself, and then he'd be President. The only way to correct this would be for the House to first impeach, and then have the Senate convict and remove Pence.
If the U.S. survives this authoritarian, would-be tyrant intact, we're gonna need a slew of new laws that clearly define Executive power. But I think that would require changing the Constitution. I'm not sure. If it is the case that the Constitution needs to be amended, then even if we survive Trump, it's only a matter of time before someone more intelligent with a well thought out plan comes to power and really does what Trump is threatening to do.
Consider the language that Giuliani used. Trump could fire a gun at Comey. With Trump echoing that, it should be grounds for removal today.
In the same tweet, Trump called the Mueller investigation "unconstitutional." But Trump himself can commit any act he wants without fear of consequence regardless of the Constitution, notwithstanding the impeachment process. And Trump is not getting impeached and removed.
We're so fucked.
ETA: people who aren't guilty of anything don't say shit like Trump says.
...Rudy Giuliani argued Sunday that the president could not be indicted — not even if he fired a gun at his former FBI chief.
The point is that impeachment is a political process. Trump this morning, continued that line of that "reasoning."
As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?
So with this line of reasoning, Mike Pence could blow Trump's brains out himself, have himself sworn in, immediately pardon himself, and then he'd be President. The only way to correct this would be for the House to first impeach, and then have the Senate convict and remove Pence.
If the U.S. survives this authoritarian, would-be tyrant intact, we're gonna need a slew of new laws that clearly define Executive power. But I think that would require changing the Constitution. I'm not sure. If it is the case that the Constitution needs to be amended, then even if we survive Trump, it's only a matter of time before someone more intelligent with a well thought out plan comes to power and really does what Trump is threatening to do.
Consider the language that Giuliani used. Trump could fire a gun at Comey. With Trump echoing that, it should be grounds for removal today.
In the same tweet, Trump called the Mueller investigation "unconstitutional." But Trump himself can commit any act he wants without fear of consequence regardless of the Constitution, notwithstanding the impeachment process. And Trump is not getting impeached and removed.
We're so fucked.
ETA: people who aren't guilty of anything don't say shit like Trump says.