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GOP senator calls Trump’s trade agreement ‘great win’ — before admitting she has no idea what’s in it

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One of the most excited supporters of President Donald Trump’s new “renegotiation” of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA).


After Monday’s announcement of the deal, which Trump has rebranded the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Ernst tweeted, “Thank you, @realDonaldTrump ! The #USMCA is a good trade deal for our state’s farmers. Looking forward to hosting your next visit to Iowa.” And in an interview with CBS, Ernst called the deal a “great win for Iowa farmers and ranchers.”


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Only one problem: she has not actually read the deal yet. And when CBS’s Nora O’Donnell asked Ernst how, exactly, the deal helps Iowa farmers and ranchers, she admitted it.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/go...-agreement-great-win-admitting-no-idea-whats/
 
Well, I haven't seen last weekend's NRL Grand Final yet*, but I am very confident that Melbourne will have won, as they are the team I want to win.

Once you have picked a team, you don't need to see them play in order to know that they will win.





















* This may not be completely true, for a given value of 'true'
 
Well, I haven't seen last weekend's NRL Grand Final yet*, but I am very confident that Melbourne will have won, as they are the team I want to win.

Bullshit. You were rooting for "Not New South" :) Hey, I was surprised about this years State of Origin as well. Out of curiosity, do you think, in your lifetime, Queensland will give away a home venue to Melbourne or say Adelaide?
 
To be fair and balanced few of the democrats knew specific details of what what was in Obama's Affordable Healthcare Act and rubber stamped it. It was all done in back rooms with spacial interest groups and sprung on congress for a rushed vote.

Macy Pelosi famously said 'It is full of good things, we will tell you about it after it gets passed'.

Ideology varies from left to right, but political behavior in congress is a common trait. The Fuhrer Principle, dog like allegiance to the alpha politician POTUS. Instead of Heil Hitler it is Trump Makes America Great.
 
I havent read the agreement yet but I did listen to Trumps press conference. He claims there are substantial changes to the point of origin requirements with regards auto sub assemblies. If true, this will bolster US auto workers. Other claims for removal of tariffs blocking farm products to Canada and Mexico. If true, the farm community will be happy.

But most importantly (and frankly a surprise on my part) is that most all the big bad tariffs that Lumpenproletariat hates so much are not going to hapoen any more. It was simply a negotiation tactical stance used by Trump to win back what all the previous politicians have given away.

Trump does tell lies so we will see how different this really is to NAFTA. But if it is half what he claims this is a HUGE win for the US middle class labor. The agreement still has to pass in congress and the other countries as well.

But one thing can not be denied. At least Trump is trying to fight for middle class labor. The forgotten voters who used to be Democrats.
 
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From what I've read, it's not that different from NAFTA. It's what Trump does. He tears something down then replaces it with something similar than announces that he' made the greatest deal in the history of America.
 
From what I've read, it's not that different from NAFTA. It's what Trump does. He tears something down then replaces it with something similar than announces that he' made the greatest deal in the history of America.
If that is the case then this should pass through Democrats in congress with little effort. But somehow I doubt it will go that easy.

In the final analysis, the working class will feel first hand whether there is an improvement. And if there is (a big if, I know), the Democrats can kiss goodbye getting elected for anything including dog catcher.
 
Well, I haven't seen last weekend's NRL Grand Final yet*, but I am very confident that Melbourne will have won, as they are the team I want to win.

Once you have picked a team, you don't need to see them play in order to know that they will win.
Got Liverpool the Champions League title last year. :)
 
From what I've read, it's not that different from NAFTA. It's what Trump does. He tears something down then replaces it with something similar than announces that he' made the greatest deal in the history of America.
If that is the case then this should pass through Democrats in congress with little effort. But somehow I doubt it will go that easy.
The Dems want better employment and environment protections. I suppose that seeing NAFTA exists, not approving NAFTA 1.01 wouldn't change much of anything.

In the final analysis, the working class will feel first hand whether there is an improvement.
Why is that exactly? Because we'll sell more powdered milk to the Canadians in exchange for no compact cars being built in North America?
And if there is (a big if, I know), the Democrats can kiss goodbye getting elected for anything including dog catcher.
Somebody here has the Trump Flavoraid fevers.
 
If that is the case then this should pass through Democrats in congress with little effort. But somehow I doubt it will go that easy.

In the final analysis, the working class will feel first hand whether there is an improvement. And if there is (a big if, I know), the Democrats can kiss goodbye getting elected for anything including dog catcher.

It won’t even be signed until November, let along debated in Congress until long after the midterms. Also, it won’t just be Dems who oppose it:

"While the administration's proposal improves some elements of the existing NAFTA, such as strengthened IP rights, increased market access for US dairy processors, and a new chapter on digital trade, other provisions diminish NAFTA's economic benefits and create needless uncertainty," said Sen. Pat Toomey, a Republican from Pennsylvania.
 
Why is that exactly? Because we'll sell more powdered milk to the Canadians in exchange for no compact cars being built in North America?
More auto and steel plants being built plus all the other support jobs. People like myself who have transitioned (since Trump elected) from being layed off and underemployed working on robots 40 hrs a week at a pharmaceutical company....to going back as electrician contol specialist at US Steel at 70+ hrs per week.

One hell of a difference for people like myself.
 
Why is that exactly? Because we'll sell more powdered milk to the Canadians in exchange for no compact cars being built in North America?
More auto and steel plants being built plus all the other support jobs. People like myself who have transitioned (since Trump elected) from being layed off and underemployed working on robots 40 hrs a week at a pharmaceutical company....to going back as electrician contol specialist at US Steel at 70+ hrs per week.

One hell of a difference for people like myself.

How, exactly, when industry experts agree the deal won’t do much for auto?

On Tuesday, I spoke with a couple of veteran auto-industry analysts, who have been watching the trade talks closely, to get a sense of whether there was anything to Trump’s claims. They both said that although the new deal is important in resolving uncertainty, and allowing manufacturers to plan ahead, it is unlikely to have a dramatic impact on the shape of the auto industry as it has emerged from a quarter century of nafta.

“It is not going to change much,” Sam Fiorani, of Auto Forecast Solutions, a research firm based in Chester Springs, Pennsylvania, said. “It is not going to shift production from country to country much.” Jeff Schuster, of L.M.C. Automotive, a research firm based in Troy, Michigan, concurred. “I don’t anticipate any significant changes to the over-all structure and sourcing trends,” he said. “It all comes down to how it is calculated and enforced. And it looks like there are enough gray areas for auto companies to work around the targets.”

Under the new agreement, seventy-five per cent of the content of vehicles manufactured in North America will have to be sourced from North America to qualify for zero tariffs. (Under nafta, the figure was 62.5 per cent.) The agreement also says that forty per cent of the parts for any tariff-free vehicle must originate in “high wage” factories, which pay their workers at least sixteen dollars an hour, on average. In addition, the total number of vehicles that can be imported from Canada and Mexico tariff-free will be capped at 5.2 million.

A fact sheet put out by the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, Robert Lighthizer, said that these requirements will “create more balanced, reciprocal trade that supports high-paying jobs for Americans.” But Fiorani pointed out that, depending on how you count, the auto industry is already sourcing about seventy per cent of its content from North America. And the new cap on tariff-free vehicle imports is set at a level of more than a million above the current figure. “It won’t have much of an impact on the industry, primarily because the targets they have set fall into the range of where things are at now,” Fiorani said. “Everything falls within current ranges.”

On the face of it, the “high wage” requirement for the origin of parts used in imported vehicles does seems like something new and potentially important. However, the penalty for importing vehicles that fail to meet this target is small—a tariff of just 2.5 per cent. Fiorani and Schuster both said that some car companies, rather than encouraging their Mexican suppliers to pay higher wages or reorganizing their supply chains and sourcing more of their parts domestically, are likely to go ahead and pay the tariff. “A 2.5-per-cent tariff on vehicles imported from Mexico is less costly than raising the wages of Mexican workers, and far less costly than moving production to the United States,” Fiorani said. “It will have a minimal impact.”

This is the most telling bit (my bold):

Another big issue is how the new requirements will be enforced. If compliance is left up to the car companies, they will have plenty of scope for creative accounting. If the federal government does the job, with proper audits and stiff penalties for miscreants, “you’d likely have to create an entire new division,” Schuster said. So far, the White House has given no indication that it is willing to go down this route.... But U.S. labor leaders want to know how the Trump Administration intends to enforce the agreement, and they are concerned by the warm reception it has received from the Big Three auto companies. Celeste Drake, a trade-policy specialist at the A.F.L.-C.I.O., said, “If they are not screaming, it is probably not changing very much.”

So much for the blue collar votes.
 
Why is that exactly? Because we'll sell more powdered milk to the Canadians in exchange for no compact cars being built in North America?
More auto and steel plants being built plus all the other support jobs. People like myself who have transitioned (since Trump elected) from being layed off and underemployed working on robots 40 hrs a week at a pharmaceutical company....to going back as electrician contol specialist at US Steel at 70+ hrs per week.

One hell of a difference for people like myself.
As a reality check, how many new steel plants do you think have been built since chump took office?
 
Why is that exactly? Because we'll sell more powdered milk to the Canadians in exchange for no compact cars being built in North America?
More auto and steel plants being built plus all the other support jobs. People like myself who have transitioned (since Trump elected) from being layed off and underemployed working on robots 40 hrs a week at a pharmaceutical company....to going back as electrician contol specialist at US Steel at 70+ hrs per week.

One hell of a difference for people like myself.
You do realize that is the economy... which was improving since before Trump was elected, right? That the tariffs are hurting American companies? US production of steel has been consistent, relative to the economy for decades. It is that production is done by fewer people.

Also, the US won't build more steel plants in the US, as car companies will just build plants overseas and construct cars for sale in China and the like elsewhere. That'll be a lot easier, quicker, less investment risk, than other people building steel plants to cover tariffs that will disappear the moment Trump is out of office.
 
There are concessions and wins and loses on both sides. The key wins for the USA are dairy, wine, and prescription drugs. Trump really can call those wins.
 
There are concessions and wins and loses on both sides. The key wins for the USA are dairy, wine, and prescription drugs. Trump really can call those wins.
NAFTA has hardly been changed. There were updates and minor modifications, but for the 'worst trade deal ever', most of it remains quite intact.
 
There are concessions and wins and loses on both sides. The key wins for the USA are dairy, wine, and prescription drugs. Trump really can call those wins.

Not exactly. The “win” for dairy is almost entirely a marketing win; while it opens the market (over time) for more American made dairy products, that does not necessarily translate into any increased market desire for American dairy products.

Similarly for wine. The “win” for wine is only that Canadian stores will somehow be “forced” to place US wines on the same shelves as Canadian wines. As if Canadians aren’t capable right now of just going to the shelf that holds the US wines.

The “win” for prescription drugs will only be higher profits in Canada for US drug companies, not more affordable prescription drugs for anyone in the US.

So, little to no changes in auto; some opening of the market for dairy; little more than irrelevant marketing lifts on wine; and nothing but still higher prescription drug prices and a closing of the market of Canadian biosimilar drugs that primarily low-income workers—aka, Trump core deplorables—desperately need because they can’t afford US prescription drugs.

Iow, more butt fucking of the people who voted for him.

And that’s assuming any of this will pass Republicans in Congress (or what will be left of them) who already oppose provisions.
 
More auto and steel plants being built plus all the other support jobs. People like myself who have transitioned (since Trump elected) from being layed off and underemployed working on robots 40 hrs a week at a pharmaceutical company....to going back as electrician contol specialist at US Steel at 70+ hrs per week.

One hell of a difference for people like myself.

Congrats to you and the 140,000 other people employed in the US steel industry. Tough titty for the rest of us, right?

NAFTA has hardly been changed. There were updates and minor modifications, but for the 'worst trade deal ever', most of it remains quite intact.

You're supposed to rejoicing in the "not quite the worst trade deal ever". Why do you hate the middle class?
 
More auto and steel plants being built plus all the other support jobs. People like myself who have transitioned (since Trump elected) from being layed off and underemployed working on robots 40 hrs a week at a pharmaceutical company....to going back as electrician contol specialist at US Steel at 70+ hrs per week.

One hell of a difference for people like myself.

Congrats to you and the 140,000 other people employed in the US steel industry. Tough titty for the rest of us, right?

NAFTA has hardly been changed. There were updates and minor modifications, but for the 'worst trade deal ever', most of it remains quite intact.

You're supposed to rejoicing in the "not quite the worst trade deal ever". Why do you hate the middle class?

"Fuck you, I got mine."
 
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