My bad. I thought we were still talking about Mrs. Rice.
Difficult for me to fathom that anyone would believe/think that I was talking about Mrs Rice when clearly I was relating incidents which happened to a person I defined as a close friend when I lived in Georgia. Maybe, just maybe you might want to take the time to read a post more than once before jumping into a reply.
I have been noting that when you are challenged to present a rationally centered and documented justification for some of your claims, it is followed by *sounds of crickets*. Such as my asking you to present clinical data invalidating Stockholm syndrome and BWS as you defined them as "sexist psychobabble"when applied to DV victims.
It is psychobabble as applied here because nobody here is a psychologist that has examined her.
Which my post to Aluxus undeniably emphasizes the point that only mental health care professionals can assess whether Mrs Rice would or would not be affected by any trauma resulting in Stockholm or BWS. And by my remarks, I hopefully eliminated the need for anyone to draw any conclusions in this thread as to whether or not Mrs Rice exhibits any PTSD symptoms related in the DSM-IV.
It is also not applicable because we know that she attacked him so when she admits portion of the blame it is because she is partially responsible and not because of any psychological syndromes.
A lot of DV situations are mutually abusive. To only blame the man and treat all women in these situations as blameless is sexist on its face. To further suggest that even when a woman admits portion of the blame that it can't be so but that she must be only saying it because she is suffering from a syndrome is pure maternalism.
An evenhanded consideration on your part would be to include : however, we cannot eliminate entirely the possibility that Mrs Rice's self blaming might be related to PTSD. Again, such determination that she is or is not affected can only be via a process of clinically supported assessment by mental health care professionals.
The reality and one I experienced (and one you did NOT) is that my close friend was a typical case of a victim affected by BWS. Part of the symptoms being a self blaming process on the part of the victim.
It may be the case in her case that she is blameless.
It is not "it may be the case....". My close friend was blameless.
But even if that's true in her case where do you get that that is "typical"?
Typical as in many DV victims experiencing self blaming. Did I not explain earlier that in such dysfunctional relationships, the physical abuse is never without psychological (mental) and emotional abuse perpetrated by the abusive personality party? Such manipulations result in the victims being convinced that "they made him/her do it". Are you not familiar with what psychological(mental) abuse entails such as the victim being constantly subjected to criticisms, being reminded how unworthy he/she is? Part of such abuse also involves the perpetrator emotionally manipulating the victim by promising to never get "angry" with them again, by given them gifts, by claiming how much they love them. When you combine emotional and mental with the addition of physical abuse, you have got the formula for the victim to make excuses for their abusive partner.
It is typical for DV victims in such highly dysfunctional relationships.
Meanwhile, you have persistently dismissed and ignored the mentioned factors in this thread of :
-use of disproportionate defensive force.
-vast disparity between both parties' anatomies. Which was brought up earlier by Athena and brought up to YOUR attention in one of my posts.
I have not ignored it. I have agreed with it from the beginning and thus see no reason to engage further with it.
That he is responsible for knocking her unconscious is beyond dispute. Agreeing with it and leaving it at that is not "ignoring" it.
The controversial part, and therefore the one we continue to debate, is whether the woman has any portion of the blame if she spits on her intimate partner and hits him. Many on the feminist left say no, I say yes.
From my previous post,
http://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?1741-The-NFL-Fumbles-the-Ball&p=61040&viewfull=1#post61040
A conclusion I certainly can draw from that incident is that both parties are in serious need of professional counseling. Whichever verbal argument between them triggered a threat of physical violence being responded to with actual physical violence and noted as disproportionate use of force, it certainly does not reflect the trait of a functional relationship where both parties are aware of what conflict resolution entails.
Conflict resolution NEVER entails the use of physical violence or force.
I certainly hope that this couple will actively seek professional counseling. I certainly hope that their children will not be raised in a home where they have to witness the 2 adults they love most resorting to physical force in the midst of a disagreement or argument.
Key remarks :
both parties are in serious need of professional counseling.
To note "both" rather than just "he".
it certainly does not reflect the trait of a functional relationship where both parties are aware of what conflict resolution entails.
To note " where both parties are aware of what conflict resolution entails". To note "both" rather than just "he".
I certainly hope this couple will actively seek professional counseling
To note "couple" rather than just "he".
the 2 adults they love most resorting to physical force in the midst of a disagreement or argument
To note : "the 2 adults" subject of the verb "resorting" to "physical force in the midst of a disagreement or argument". "2 adults" rather than just one adult resorting to.
At this point, there should be no difficulty for you (from the detailed above) to conclude that Mrs Rice is included by me as a participant in a dysfunctional relationship and a participant, who like her husband, is void of the ability to understand the importance of conflict resolution and what it entails. Considering (once more) that conflict resolution NEVER entails physical force from either party. Conflict resolution NEVER entails escalation, NEVER entails retaliation and NEVER entails provoking an intimate partner. Whether the provocation be verbal or physical.
That would be *clear evidence* she was high on purple drank and therefore a danger to the entire world 
