New report on climate change released today

[angelo]

The so called consensus of scientists on GW/CC and the role of humans in the process. The American Meteorological Society in one of the few relevant organisations to have surveyed their members on the issue.

Other agencies have merely opted for a statement from their board, with no member participation. The result of the AMS survey found that 56% of it's members thought that humans had "some effect- not catastrophic, merely some effect on climate.

The PBL, Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency conducted a survey in 2015 and found that only 43% of scientists believe in man-made GW/CC.

That's a far cry from the claimed 97% consensus of scientist as claimed by the activists/warmists.

 

[scombrid]

Feynman does not make a single mention of radiation, radiative transfer, greenhouse gases, CO2, nor does he derive any radiative transfer equations to derive the atmospheric temperature profile

gravitational potential energy (PE) accumulated as air parcels rise/expand/cool, which is then exchanged for kinetic energy (KE) as the air parcel descends/compresses/warms, creating the temperature gradient & greenhouse effect

So he completely ignores radiation and then calculates how heat is transferred in the system. Okay. Yeah so convection, evaporation, and condensation do the lion's share of the work of moving heat around in the atmosphere and exchanging heat between the atmosphere and the land. That's no new contribution to knowledge.

Umm. The air that rises to then expand and cool rises because it is warmed by radiation or by latent heat from ocean water that was warmed by radiation. The less transparent the air is to radiation, the more it is warmed by radiation. If you ignore radiation and model a system without radiation you can make the numbers work but you aren't describing the system as it is.

Maybe the writing is sloppy? The blog post linked makes it seem like he has modeled how the atmosphere would behave if it closed with respect to heat and there's no radiation of heat out to space.

Feynman begins to explain in the 7th paragraph and for the remainder of the entire paper why our atmosphere (and he only assumes the atmosphere is comprised of non-greenhouse gases N2 & O2) “is not an isothermal atmosphere” due to the thermodynamic work done by gravity upon all gases.

Well thanks for pointing that out. People never noticed that before while studying frontal systems or tropical cyclones. What's the next huge revelation, the oceans aren't isothermal because of convection and gyres? Gee golly. Was buoyancy driven convection a novel concept to him when he started thinking about this?

I'm wondering, how does his model explain the increase in total heat in the system that we have observed over the last 100 years in the form of higher average temperature and higher water vapor content in the air?

 

[scombrid]

So he says that radiation is so negligible in atmospheric thermo dynamics that we can completely ignore it.

Why then do we often see our coldest surface temperatures on calm clear nights when there is actually a substantial thermal inversion?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Oh, and I have this gentleman on my side, surely a much more athouritive person than we'll ever be.
https://principia-scientific.org/physicist-richard-feynman-discredits-greenhouse-gas-theory/

He's a physicist, not a climatologist.

In other words, has no axe to grind and isn't funded by any government department trying to achieve a certain outcome.

The point is he doesn't have the knowledge to actually evaluate the evidence.

 

[ZiprHead]

In other words, has no axe to grind and isn't funded by any government department trying to achieve a certain outcome.

The point is he doesn't have the knowledge to actually evaluate the evidence.

Has Feynman contributed anything to science in the last thirty years?

 

[Elixir]

The point is he doesn't have the knowledge to actually evaluate the evidence.

You can't blame someone for relying on their peers in ignorance.
Trumpsuckers know no other way.

 

[angelo]

In other words, has no axe to grind and isn't funded by any government department trying to achieve a certain outcome.

The point is he doesn't have the knowledge to actually evaluate the evidence.

What fucken evidence would that be? the computer generated models? despite the predictions of armageddon emanating from the anti-fossil fuels brigade. none of the predicted catastrophes have eventuate, or look likely to do so.

Sea levels have only risen 10cm in the past 100 years. Or one millimetre per year.

Temp rises have been well short of the burning predictions of climate catastrophobia models.

The Most amazing thing about GW/CC phenomena is that the very people who have benefited most from the use of fossil fuels, are loudly clamoring for it's removal from our society.

If we could burn stupidity, there would be enough energy to power the planet into the next century and beyond!

 

[angelo]

In other words, has no axe to grind and isn't funded by any government department trying to achieve a certain outcome.

The point is he doesn't have the knowledge to actually evaluate the evidence.

Has Feynman contributed anything to science in the last thirty years?

What has professor Al Gore, or Michael Mann contributed to anything in the past 2-3 decade or so?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, Al Gore helped to push forward the idea of the InterNet previous to that time period making him very relevant to today and partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should be held accountable.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In other words, has no axe to grind and isn't funded by any government department trying to achieve a certain outcome.

The point is he doesn't have the knowledge to actually evaluate the evidence.

What fucken evidence would that be? the computer generated models? despite the predictions of armageddon emanating from the anti-fossil fuels brigade. none of the predicted catastrophes have eventuate, or look likely to do so.

Sea levels have only risen 10cm in the past 100 years. Or one millimetre per year.

Once again, you are assuming the effect is at a constant rate. You're also neglecting the big lag in the system--it takes time for all that water to warm. Hold CO2 levels constant and the sea is still going to rise for a long time to come.

Temp rises have been well short of the burning predictions of climate catastrophobia models.

But still going up.

The Most amazing thing about GW/CC phenomena is that the very people who have benefited most from the use of fossil fuels, are loudly clamoring for it's removal from our society.

Because we have realized the harm we are doing.

If we could burn stupidity, there would be enough energy to power the planet into the next century and beyond!

Yup. <Throws deniers on the fire. They should burn well!>

 

[bleubird]

I know it's weather and not climate,but it was 61 F here.

 

[angelo]

Well, Al Gore helped to push forward the idea of the InterNet previous to that time period making him very relevant to today and partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should be held accountable.

That's like saying Goofy invented Walt Disney!

Vint Cerf
Vint Cerf is known as a “Father of the Internet”. Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. In December 1997, President Bill Clinton presented the U.S. National Medal of Technology to Cerf and his colleague, Robert E. Kahn, for founding and developing the Internet.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, Al Gore helped to push forward the idea of the InterNet previous to that time period making him very relevant to today and partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should be held accountable.

That's like saying Goofy invented Walt Disney!

Vint Cerf
Vint Cerf is known as a “Father of the Internet”. Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. In December 1997, President Bill Clinton presented the U.S. National Medal of Technology to Cerf and his colleague, Robert E. Kahn, for founding and developing the Internet.

I did not write that Al Gore invented the Internet, but since you mention it Vint Cerf is also partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should also be held accountable.

 

[angelo]

I know it's weather and not climate,but it was 61 F here.

Likewise here. It is the weather and climate has nothing to do with it. But here in sunny Perth we've had one of the mildest Summers ever. It's quite common for Perthites to experience multiple days on end of over 40 C temperatures . This Summer, only had 2 days of 40 C.

The highest temperature recorded in Perth was 46.2 °C (115.2 °F) on 23 February 1991, although Perth Airport recorded 46.7 °C (116.1 °F) on the same day.

This year, the hottest day was 41 C and we're at the end of Summer.

 

[angelo]

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[angelo]

Well, Al Gore helped to push forward the idea of the InterNet previous to that time period making him very relevant to today and partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should be held accountable.

That's like saying Goofy invented Walt Disney!

Vint Cerf
Vint Cerf is known as a “Father of the Internet”. Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. In December 1997, President Bill Clinton presented the U.S. National Medal of Technology to Cerf and his colleague, Robert E. Kahn, for founding and developing the Internet.

I did not write that Al Gore invented the Internet, but since you mention it Vint Cerf is also partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should also be held accountable.

Perhaps our ancestors should be held accountable for all our follies! Including many peoples worship of cults like GW/CC!

 

[AirPoh]

Well, Al Gore helped to push forward the idea of the InterNet previous to that time period making him very relevant to today and partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should be held accountable.

That's like saying Goofy invented Walt Disney!

Vint Cerf
Vint Cerf is known as a “Father of the Internet”. Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. In December 1997, President Bill Clinton presented the U.S. National Medal of Technology to Cerf and his colleague, Robert E. Kahn, for founding and developing the Internet.

No it's not, but this post is like Goofy posted it.

 

[angelo]

Well, Al Gore helped to push forward the idea of the InterNet previous to that time period making him very relevant to today and partially responsible for your dumb posts. He should be held accountable.

That's like saying Goofy invented Walt Disney!

Vint Cerf
Vint Cerf is known as a “Father of the Internet”. Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. In December 1997, President Bill Clinton presented the U.S. National Medal of Technology to Cerf and his colleague, Robert E. Kahn, for founding and developing the Internet.

No it's not, but this post is like Goofy posted it.

That's the spirit! When you can't defend the message, attack the messenger! Yet GW/CC cultists fail miserably to explain why anyone should take them seriously. Could it because.....................

Climatology is a theoretical science, not an experimental one. It's processes are far to slow to be observed over a human lifetime, let alone over the span of human history.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

That's the spirit! When you can't defend the message, attack the messenger! Yet GW/CC cultists ....

Irony thy name is Goofy.

 

[AirPoh]

No it's not, but this post is like Goofy posted it.

That's the spirit! When you can't defend the message,

Nuh Uh is not a message, it's a childish response.

attack the messenger!

It was a parody of the so called "message."

Yet GW/CC cultists fail miserably to explain why anyone should take them seriously. Could it because.....................

There is no such thing as GW/CC cultists. There are , however, Denialist cultists.

Climatology is a theoretical science, not an experimental one. It's processes are far to slow to be observed over a human lifetime, let alone over the span of human history.

Incorrect. Try this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Climate+change+experiments.